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Windows 10 LTSC

It is annoying standard LTSC got nerfed to 5 years, but I think it probably is long enough.
  • Standard Windows 10 loses support Oct 14 2025
  • Windows 10 2021 LTSC loses support Jan 12 2027
So just over a year extra.

Thanks for all the help from all; I know I really should be getting a new PC, but this old one is fast and reliable.
 
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1809 is still 2029 along with Server 2019 (I think?), for most use cases 1809 is enough.
 
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I think it shows Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC? Both 2019 and 2021
 
I think it shows Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC? Both 2019 and 2021
It does. The hang-up is...2019 is active for 10 years. 2021 is active for less time, for 5 years. IoT LTSC is 10 years, but for us mere mortals, unobtainium.

I have installed 2021 long term on two machines. My rational: these are mission critical communication devices that will not connect to commercial internet. They use radios on licensed frquencies to get/send info to people that make decisions during communication infrastructure failure/overload.
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Source: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com...m-servicing-channel-ltsc-release/ba-p/2147232
 

I think it shows Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC? Both 2019 and 2021

But no 2021 IoT (the one I need to reach 2032)

The question now is if one will be able to download and install the KB files by hand; that would be enough.
 
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It is annoying standard LTSC got nerfed to 5 years, but I think it probably is long enough.

I used 8.1 until I brought my RTX 3080, by then I already had planned to move to 10, as 8.1 was at that point feeling really dated, and the GPU purchase forced me to do it there and then. 10 was clean installed for a fresh start as the 8.1 install at that point was quite old migrated over a previous platform upgrade from haswell to coffee lake.

I moved to 1809 at a bad time, I think within a year 21H2 LTSC was released, and it was a little dated, examples, no RT 1.1 support, no mesh shader support, no variable shader support, no preferred CPU scheduler support, no WPA 3 support, no ability to toggle defender tamper proof, no GPU accelerated scheduling support, I think what was unfortenate from about 1903 to 2004 was a lot of gaming and security related features added in that timespan.

21H2 not feeling dated, but I think by the time LTSC is EOL it probably will be hence me accepting that 5 years is probably enough, it does still get to 2027, its also all mainstream support, that didnt get halved, they just removed the extended support which is now IoT exclusive. Will probably find by 2027 that vendors may be dropping support for Windows 10 as well.

Given the now short life cycles for major versions of windows, it wouldnt surprise me if 10 LTSC outlives 11 retail. I may well be moving direct to 12 from 10 LTSC if there is a 12 LTSC by then.
I used 8.1 embedded. I use it still on other systems I have. A monster OS imo.
 
I used 8.1 embedded. I use it still on other systems I have. A monster OS imo.

Wow, I actually still have that from college.
 
Didn't know about ESU bypass for Windows 7
Tool Illegally Enables Windows 7 Extended Security Updates (bleepingcomputer.com)

I wonder if manual updating may be an option?
Still, no Steam on 7.

As of January 1 2024, Steam will officially stop supporting the Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 operating systems. After that date, the Steam Client will no longer run on those versions of Windows. In order to continue running Steam and any games or other products purchased through Steam, users will need to update to a more recent version of Windows.

Not sure how 'different' Win 10's update system is vs. 7. Though, 10 did get wide-enough adoption that such tools are likely to come for 10, too.
 
But no 2021 IoT (the one I need to reach 2032)

The question now is if one will be able to download and install the KB files by hand; that would be enough.
Someone is already working on using IOT patches on normal LTSC with some success, a GUI tool is being considered to make it easier.
 
Win 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC 22H2 can be installed as an upgrade over Win 10 Enterprise LTSC 1909. I did it last night. When I first tried installing IoT LTSC 22H2 on an empty NVMe drive I got the message the install couldn't continue because essential drivers were missing. I then did an install of LTSC 1909 then after reaching the desktop plugged the IoT LTSC 22H2 USB flash drive in and ran setup. At the 80% mark the install stopped and I got a message asking if I wanted to continue with the upgrade or do a fresh installation. I chose fresh install, the PC rebooted back to 80% and completed the fresh installation.

I used an i7 7700K, Asus Z170 Maximus Hero, 64GB of Mushkin Redline DDR4 3200, Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240, a MyDigital 960GB NVMe drive and an Asus Strix 1080 Ti on my kitchen table. I had to manually install all needed drivers and everything went very smoothly. I also put Sound Forge 14 Pro in it and a few other programs. It works so well I'm going to put it all in a case and play around with it some more.

My friend in IT for the big international tool company gave me the copy of Win 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC 22H2 to try out. The company he works for is still evaluating it and they haven't deployed it yet. One odd thing is that I previously had an earlier non-LTSC version of Enterprise in a PC with that mobo in it before I took it apart a 2-3 years ago. IoT LTSC 22H2 is showing up as activated.
 
I can't wait for WiN11 LTSC... any news on that?
 
I can't wait for WiN11 LTSC... any news on that?
win 11 iot is basically ltsc

Thats the one I gave up on. Might try again with a usb drive full of tools/scripts to gain control.
 
Win 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC 22H2

I didn't realsie 22H2 was an option for long term; good to know (I thought I might have to run something older)
 
It's just 21H2 guy's
 
IoT LTSC 22H2 is showing up as activated.
Seems to reinforce what @lexluthermiester was saying.
Gonna need pics to verify that version, though. Note: I do believe there is Windows Server IoT 22H2 LTSC, and Windows 11 (various) 22H2 LTSC.

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(last sentence is most important)

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There is not, and probably never will be a Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC 22H2. I'd really prefer being proven incorrect.

As to why it's so complicated? The many-dozens of 'license options' doesn't help, to start. It also seems you and I both, are interested in IoT LTSC for "off-label" reasons.

If you want 10 22H2, give up on 10 IoT LTSC.
If you want Long servicing-life foremost and a barebones 'modern' Windows, then IoT Ent. LTSC 2021(21H2), is seeming to be the best choice.

However, (according to Msft 1st party) W10 IoT ent LTSC 2021 includes W10 IoT ent 22H2 "cumulative enhancements"
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Msft doesn't 'face' IoT or LTSC versions towards prosumers or 'Enthusiast-Gamer' SIs whatsoever, and have removed features that Msft and partners use for marketing/revenue.
So, there's a lot of reading between lines and experimenting needed to figure out what the best solution for our unsupported use case is.
 
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I'm out of town at the moment, will be be back home late tonight. I'll grab a screenshot and post it. I was surprised to see it was activated.
 
  • Standard Windows 10 loses support Oct 14 2025
  • Windows 10 2021 LTSC loses support Jan 12 2027
So just over a year extra.

Thanks for all the help from all; I know I really should be getting a new PC, but this old one is fast and reliable.

Again, I must insist that this is security support, and it's really misleading to believe that the OS will be maintained for that long, because it will not, just as it happened with Windows 7. Any and all maintenance development for Windows 7 ceased completely about 5 years ago, and not even the fiercest holdout can honestly say that the OS has not become a total second class citizen already. Last month the final nail in Windows 7's coffin has finally been placed, web browsers have finally completely shut the operating system out with both Chromium and Firefox abandoning it.

You should fully expect code rot to occur past 2025, with diminishing software support for the feature level that Windows 10 21H2 can provide as time goes on. Remember, as of today, a lot of software already doesn't support Windows 10 versions 1511 through 1809, and the older it gets the worse it will become, this time without leniency or mercy because it's a rolling release, upgrades are completely free, Microsoft is as lenient as possible with licensing etc. - so things will move and rot fast.

Finding a replacement which will greatly outperform your old Core 2 system for a very small amount of money will not be hard, but this will not be necessary if you want a machine that can perform basic usage tasks. It's not that bad, mate. Install Windows 11 on it, use Winaero Tweaker and O&O ShutUp10+ and enjoy your PC. It won't be unusably slow, and the TPM requirements etc. can all be safely and easily bypassed, just make sure to make your installation media with Rufus to automate the process. Your old system already has everything that you would need to make the Windows 11 experience as smooth as it can be on a system as old as yours, the 12 MB L2 quad, 16 GB of RAM, SSD and a 1030... there's no reason to stay behind, even if you don't want to play the latest video games.

You should only watch out because while your system is "well oiled" and taken care of, it's already over fifteen years old. To place that into perspective, I'm 30 and that's half the time I've been alive. You can never tell when it's going to malfunction out of sheer old age, so there's that concern to be aware of. If you ask me? Just enjoy your machine and don't worry about LTS software branches, or your computer's age... skirt around the artificial hardware requirements Microsoft has imposed (none are truly required) for as long it lets you, and then kiss the old girl goodbye. She did her job.
 
@Shrek How does one obtain a Windows 10 LTSC key? Will a Win 10 Pro N (Europe) key work?

I doubt I ever go back to Windows 10, Hardware Unboxed showed that x3d Cache CPU's gain a decent chunk of FPS by being on WIndows 11. Same for the scheduling of P-Cores and E-Cores on Intel cpu's, so unless you have an older chip or don't use x3d cpu, Windows 10 is still alright. 2032 though, I don't know, might as well take the extra fps in games, /shrug
 
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