Intel Core i9-14900K

[oiawshboiwsahnoidaws]

Official Tjunction is 100°C not sure i want them running at 115°C

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Zen 5 isn't expected to be available before next year. Since we don't have any idea of even which quarter it will be launched in, Intel has time to get its ducks in a row and get Arrow Lake out in time to combat Zen 5. If they don't, then going by the past, Zen 5 is likely to easily beat the 14th Gen parts.

I doubt AMD will rush it. To what? 3nm is bought up by apple, and the 7000 series are already on the enhanced 5nm.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Zen 5 isn't expected to be available before next year. Since we don't have any idea of even which quarter it will be launched in, Intel has time to get its ducks in a row and get Arrow Lake out in time to combat Zen 5. If they don't, then going by the past, Zen 5 is likely to easily beat the 14th Gen parts.

Even a nice promotion ought to do the trick, this launch is that bad. I wonder what was going through Intel marketers' head by calling this rubbish 14th gen.

 

[Tropick]

I see it as "x3d is the chip you buy when you dont want to touch your CPU or mobo for a decade".

I dont plan on replacing mine for a LONG time.

I got a whole gaming focused end-of-gen AM4 rig for super cheap last black friday thinking I'd be set for maybe a few years but it seems 5800X3D is the gift that's going to just keep on giving. As long as PCIe 4.0 remains relevant I'm going to just drive this box until it's metaphorical wheels fall off.

 

[AnotherReader]

They can be set, I'm just not sure that's entirely safe. No physical changes or new stepping since the 13900K released.

As electromigration is highly temperature dependent, I would be leery of setting the juction temperature higher than Intel's default of 100°C for long term usage.

I doubt AMD will rush it. To what? 3nm is bought up by apple, and the 7000 series are already on the enhanced 5nm.

I don't expect them to rush it either. In any case, for servers, Zen 4 is dominant and Intel doesn't seem to have anything capable of challenging them there for a while.

 

[Tropick]

I wonder what was going through Intel marketers' head by calling this rubbish 14th gen.

Most likely the piercing screams of bloodthirsty investors who couldn't point out the power button on their PC if they had a gun pressed to their head.

 

[Dr. Dro]

As electromigration is highly temperature dependent, I would be leery of setting the juction temperature higher than Intel's default of 100°C for long term usage.

I actually play it extra safe and set mine to 95

Most likely the piercing screams of bloodthirsty investors who couldn't point out the power button on their PC if they had a gun pressed to their head.

Oh yeah. I mentioned shareholders had something to do with this, but I agree. This is a disappointing product, but not a bad one. There's little point getting it over a 13900K, but that's not necessarily all that bad as it's still a good performer IMO. Hope the street prices are good.

 

[Outback Bronze]

They can be set, I'm just not sure that's entirely safe.

You don't think Intel wouldn't have allowed 115°C if it isn't safe? I've set my KS at this temp and will now adjust my 13900k too

Do you know if 12xxxK get be set to 115°c apart from KS as well, or is just 13th and refresh that can allow this? I'll check my 12900K on Z690i later to see if it's possible. Cheers

 

[W1zzard]

Yeah, I noticed you did this with all three of your refresh reviews no? Is this 115°C setting new to only the refresh or could the 13xxxK be set like this too, apart from KS.

This option has existed for several years now. At least since 12th gen. Maybe not all motherboards expose it.

It makes my life much easier because I don't have to worry so much about thermal throttling around 100°C, which would invalidate test results just because my cooling is not good enough

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I got a whole gaming focused end-of-gen AM4 rig for super cheap last black friday thinking I'd be set for maybe a few years but it seems 5800X3D is the gift that's going to just keep on giving. As long as PCIe 4.0 remains relevant I'm going to just drive this box until it's metaphorical wheels fall off.

Given that we still dont see the difference between SATA III and NVME 3 in 99% of cases I think you'll be fine for a long time. Current consoles are NVMe 3/4 so until the PS5 pro goes out of support, which likely won't be before 2030 at this rate, it'll stay current.

This option has existed for several years now. At least since 12th gen. Maybe not all motherboards expose it.

It makes my life much easier because I don't have to worry so much about thermal throttling around 100°C, which would invalidate test results just because my cooling is not good enough

I think your cooling is fine, the issue is these chips just run too damn hot. You shouldnt need a refrigerant loop to keep these things below 100c.

 

[Outback Bronze]

Maybe not all motherboards expose it.

Ahh, so this is where I'm seeing not all chips are capable of 115°C. Thanks!

 

[Dr. Dro]

You don't think Intel wouldn't have allowed 115°C if it isn't safe? I've set my KS at this temp and will now adjust my 13900k too

Do you know if 12xxxK get be set to 115°c apart from KS as well, or is just 13th and refresh that can allow this? I'll check my 12900K on Z690i later to see if it's possible. Cheers

I think they can, just that not all motherboards expose that. I personally don't think it's a matter of ensuring safety, but just allowing experienced users to run the processor hot for a brief period of time.

Not willing to put my $800 CPU through that, though!

 

[Outback Bronze]

Not willing to put my $800 CPU through that, though!

Don't get me wrong, but I think it's pretty nifty to set up to 115°C no thermal throttling as 100°C and below has been the standard for decades.

World record already set :Intel Core i9-14900K Posts Record-Breaking 9.1 GHz CPU Frequency World Record, DDR5-11614 Achieved Too (wccftech.com)

 

[pexxie]

Hmmm. I just realized Performance Per Dollar is for Applications. The 7800X3D looks really good, except here. Now I'm curious what a Performance Per Dollar for Games would look like.

 

[AnotherReader]

You don't think Intel wouldn't have allowed 115°C if it isn't safe? I've set my KS at this temp and will now adjust my 13900k too

Do you know if 12xxxK get be set to 115°c apart from KS as well, or is just 13th and refresh that can allow this? I'll check my 12900K on Z690i later to see if it's possible. Cheers

They might be counting on people not using these CPUs long enough and hard enough to encounter problems. After all, a 14900K buyer will probably ditch it for a 15900K on release date. Besides, most people won't be running it full throttle all the time so with lower currents most of the time, it would last longer. Using Black's equation, I get a 2.95 times longer lifetime at 100 C than 115 C. Of course, this assumes constant temperature which is not likely for regular consumers.

 

[Outback Bronze]

They might be counting on people not using these CPUs long enough and hard enough to encounter problems. After all, a 14900K buyer will probably ditch it for a 15900K on release date. Besides, most people won't be running it full throttle all the time so with lower currents most of the time, it would last longer.

Would be an intersting test, see how long one of these cpu’s can last @ 115.

 

[AnotherReader]

Would be an intersting test, see how long one of these cpu’s can last @ 115.

That can be determined by setting it even higher, e.g. at 200 C and seeing how long it takes to fail. This is how they determine the MTTF, i.e. mean time to failure, for these chips in the first place. The relevant portion of that link states:

For an integrated circuit with an MTTF of around 10 years, how can you determine the true MTTF value in a much shorter amount of time? This is done by measuring MTTF at a higher temperature and current density.

 

[adilazimdegilx]

Honestly what's wrong with Intel? What's the point of this "generation"? AMD doesnt even need to cut a single penny to respond these silicon wastes. These should cause slight price drops on 13th gen only. So Intel launched these to price cut theirs? I fail to see the logic here. I know rebranding exits and they can always count human stupidity but this is just insulting...

 

[Dave65]

Leave it to TPU for making this new "GENERATION" look like pure gold when every other reviewers had nothing good to say about it.. Only winner here is AMD!

 

[GoldenX]

The only reason this isn't the lamest and hottest garbage of the decade is because 11th gen happened.

Intel, again with the 10nm+++?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Don't get me wrong, but I think it's pretty nifty to set up to 115°C no thermal throttling as 100°C and below has been the standard for decades.

World record already set :Intel Core i9-14900K Posts Record-Breaking 9.1 GHz CPU Frequency World Record, DDR5-11614 Achieved Too (wccftech.com)

That must have been the single best sample Intel could find out of the entire production of 13900KS and 14900K batches. Either that, or ASUS got some seriously good v2 Apex board.

I'm more interested in the refresh wave Z790's. Hopefully there's a good mini ITX board that's really a banshee for memory overclocking, I think I could get one of those. Would look bizarre on my bench, but hey

 

[Xaled]

You don't think Intel wouldn't have allowed 115°C if it isn't safe? I've set my KS at this temp and will now adjust my 13900k too

Do you know if 12xxxK get be set to 115°c apart from KS as well, or is just 13th and refresh that can allow this? I'll check my 12900K on Z690i later to see if it's possible. Cheers

According to Anandtech; MSI allowed this only for 14xxx
While Intel does define formal TDPs, including PL1 and PL2 values, motherboard vendors such as MSI, as per our MEG Z790 Ace MAX, seem to throw all sense of limitations out of the window. In our power testing, the maximum power value we drew from the Core i9-14900K was a staggering 428 W; this is wild by any stretch of the imagination. In contrast, the Core i9-13900K on the same board during our re-testing pulled 343 W in the same tests, showing the disdain or lack of care motherboard vendors have for power efficiency; we can't blame Intel for this.
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They are saying that Intel has nothing to do with it, it is boards vendors thing. But I really doubt it.

 

[TheNightLynx]

You're saying 13900K is Editor's Choice but not 14900K which a very little bit better in everything?

It has the same performance of KS and very liiiitle power improvement, after almost one year ?
I also agree, it cannot be an Editor's choice.

 

[mrnagant]

Im honestly more interested in E core only offerings and would like a desktop/SBC offering for something like the 300U/1305U.
I would also like to see E core only specific benchmarks. See what if any improvements there are from 13th gen to 14th gen in the E cores.

With Intel's crazy power usage, AMD just for shiggles should release like a Ryzen 9 7990 UNLESH (Un-Necessary Limited Edition Space Heater). Crank the power consumption to Intel level and release those benchmarks!

 

[1d10t]

Pros

• Doesn't need new motherboard.
• Doesn't need new cooler.
• Outstanding 3% higher price.
• Faster 4% in power consumption.
• Support for room heater.
• Matches 13900KS in a dead socket, beats 11900K in some cases.

Cons

• Makes competition look even better.