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Official Tjunction is 100°C not sure i want them running at 115°C ![Eek! :eek: :eek:](https://tpucdn.com/forums/data/assets/smilies/eek-v1.gif)
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System Name | Skunkworks |
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Processor | 5800x3d |
Motherboard | x570 unify |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U12A |
Memory | 32GB 3600 mhz |
Video Card(s) | asrock 6800xt challenger D |
Storage | Sabarent rocket 4.0 2TB, MX 500 2TB |
Display(s) | Asus 1440p144 27" |
Case | Old arse cooler master 932 |
Power Supply | Corsair 1200w platinum |
Mouse | *squeak* |
Keyboard | Some old office thing |
Software | openSUSE tumbleweed/Mint 21.2 |
I doubt AMD will rush it. To what? 3nm is bought up by apple, and the 7000 series are already on the enhanced 5nm.Zen 5 isn't expected to be available before next year. Since we don't have any idea of even which quarter it will be launched in, Intel has time to get its ducks in a row and get Arrow Lake out in time to combat Zen 5. If they don't, then going by the past, Zen 5 is likely to easily beat the 14th Gen parts.
System Name | "Icy Resurrection" |
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Processor | 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX ENCORE |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S upgraded with 2x NF-F12 iPPC-3000 fans and Honeywell PTM7950 TIM |
Memory | 32 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 7600 MT/s 36-44-44-52-96 1.4V |
Video Card(s) | ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition |
Storage | 500 GB WD Black SN750 SE NVMe SSD + 4 TB WD Red Plus WD40EFPX HDD |
Display(s) | 55-inch LG G3 OLED |
Case | Pichau Mancer CV500 White Edition |
Power Supply | EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Microsoft Classic Intellimouse |
Keyboard | Galax Stealth STL-03 |
Software | Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 |
Benchmark Scores | I pulled a Qiqi~ |
Zen 5 isn't expected to be available before next year. Since we don't have any idea of even which quarter it will be launched in, Intel has time to get its ducks in a row and get Arrow Lake out in time to combat Zen 5. If they don't, then going by the past, Zen 5 is likely to easily beat the 14th Gen parts.
System Name | Trackstar |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D -30 All Core CO (on Corsair XC5 block) |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B550 AORUS Elite V2 Rev 1.0 (F17 BIOS) |
Cooling | Corsair XD5 pump / Corsair XR5 1x 360mm (front) + 1x 420mm (top) rads |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill DDR4-3600 CL14 1:1 (F4-3600C14Q-32GVKA kit) |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX 6950XT OC Formula (on Bykski A-AR6900XTOCF-X block) |
Storage | WD_BLACK SN850X 2TB w/HS (FW ver. 620361WD) |
Display(s) | Dell S3222DGM 32" 1440p/165Hz FreeSync |
Case | Fractal Design Meshify S2 |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1200 Integrated Audio |
Power Supply | Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1200W on Liebert GXT4-1500RT120 UPS |
Mouse | Corsair Nightsword RGB |
Keyboard | Corsair K60 RGB PRO |
VR HMD | N/A |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (Build 22631.3958) |
Benchmark Scores | https://www.3dmark.com/sw/1131940 https://www.3dmark.com/fs/29315810 |
I got a whole gaming focused end-of-gen AM4 rig for super cheap last black friday thinking I'd be set for maybe a few years but it seems 5800X3D is the gift that's going to just keep on giving. As long as PCIe 4.0 remains relevant I'm going to just drive this box until it's metaphorical wheels fall off.I see it as "x3d is the chip you buy when you dont want to touch your CPU or mobo for a decade".
I dont plan on replacing mine for a LONG time.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-C14S (two fans) |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | Reference Vega 64 |
Storage | Intel 665p 1TB, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Crucial MX300 1TB SATA, Samsung 830 256 GB SATA |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG27, and Samsung S23A700 |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME TITANIUM 850W |
Mouse | Logitech |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Windows 11 Pro, and Ubuntu 20.04 |
As electromigration is highly temperature dependent, I would be leery of setting the juction temperature higher than Intel's default of 100°C for long term usage.They can be set, I'm just not sure that's entirely safe. No physical changes or new stepping since the 13900K released.
I don't expect them to rush it either. In any case, for servers, Zen 4 is dominant and Intel doesn't seem to have anything capable of challenging them there for a while.I doubt AMD will rush it. To what? 3nm is bought up by apple, and the 7000 series are already on the enhanced 5nm.
System Name | Trackstar |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D -30 All Core CO (on Corsair XC5 block) |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B550 AORUS Elite V2 Rev 1.0 (F17 BIOS) |
Cooling | Corsair XD5 pump / Corsair XR5 1x 360mm (front) + 1x 420mm (top) rads |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill DDR4-3600 CL14 1:1 (F4-3600C14Q-32GVKA kit) |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX 6950XT OC Formula (on Bykski A-AR6900XTOCF-X block) |
Storage | WD_BLACK SN850X 2TB w/HS (FW ver. 620361WD) |
Display(s) | Dell S3222DGM 32" 1440p/165Hz FreeSync |
Case | Fractal Design Meshify S2 |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1200 Integrated Audio |
Power Supply | Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1200W on Liebert GXT4-1500RT120 UPS |
Mouse | Corsair Nightsword RGB |
Keyboard | Corsair K60 RGB PRO |
VR HMD | N/A |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (Build 22631.3958) |
Benchmark Scores | https://www.3dmark.com/sw/1131940 https://www.3dmark.com/fs/29315810 |
Most likely the piercing screams of bloodthirsty investors who couldn't point out the power button on their PC if they had a gun pressed to their head.I wonder what was going through Intel marketers' head by calling this rubbish 14th gen.
System Name | "Icy Resurrection" |
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Processor | 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX ENCORE |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S upgraded with 2x NF-F12 iPPC-3000 fans and Honeywell PTM7950 TIM |
Memory | 32 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 7600 MT/s 36-44-44-52-96 1.4V |
Video Card(s) | ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition |
Storage | 500 GB WD Black SN750 SE NVMe SSD + 4 TB WD Red Plus WD40EFPX HDD |
Display(s) | 55-inch LG G3 OLED |
Case | Pichau Mancer CV500 White Edition |
Power Supply | EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Microsoft Classic Intellimouse |
Keyboard | Galax Stealth STL-03 |
Software | Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 |
Benchmark Scores | I pulled a Qiqi~ |
As electromigration is highly temperature dependent, I would be leery of setting the juction temperature higher than Intel's default of 100°C for long term usage.
Most likely the piercing screams of bloodthirsty investors who couldn't point out the power button on their PC if they had a gun pressed to their head.
System Name | Raptor Baked |
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Processor | 14900k w.c. |
Motherboard | Z790 Hero |
Cooling | w.c. |
Memory | 32GB Hynix |
Video Card(s) | Zotac 4080 w.c. |
Storage | 2TB Kingston kc3k |
Display(s) | Gigabyte 34" Curved |
Case | Corsair 460X |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard |
Power Supply | PCIe5 850w |
Mouse | Asus |
Keyboard | Corsair |
Software | Win 11 |
Benchmark Scores | Cool n Quiet. |
They can be set, I'm just not sure that's entirely safe.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Memory | 48 GB |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4080 |
Storage | 2x HDD RAID 1, 3x M.2 NVMe |
Display(s) | 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024 |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit |
This option has existed for several years now. At least since 12th gen. Maybe not all motherboards expose it.Yeah, I noticed you did this with all three of your refresh reviews no? Is this 115°C setting new to only the refresh or could the 13xxxK be set like this too, apart from KS.
System Name | Skunkworks |
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Processor | 5800x3d |
Motherboard | x570 unify |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U12A |
Memory | 32GB 3600 mhz |
Video Card(s) | asrock 6800xt challenger D |
Storage | Sabarent rocket 4.0 2TB, MX 500 2TB |
Display(s) | Asus 1440p144 27" |
Case | Old arse cooler master 932 |
Power Supply | Corsair 1200w platinum |
Mouse | *squeak* |
Keyboard | Some old office thing |
Software | openSUSE tumbleweed/Mint 21.2 |
Given that we still dont see the difference between SATA III and NVME 3 in 99% of cases I think you'll be fine for a long time. Current consoles are NVMe 3/4 so until the PS5 pro goes out of support, which likely won't be before 2030 at this rate, it'll stay current.I got a whole gaming focused end-of-gen AM4 rig for super cheap last black friday thinking I'd be set for maybe a few years but it seems 5800X3D is the gift that's going to just keep on giving. As long as PCIe 4.0 remains relevant I'm going to just drive this box until it's metaphorical wheels fall off.
I think your cooling is fine, the issue is these chips just run too damn hot. You shouldnt need a refrigerant loop to keep these things below 100c.This option has existed for several years now. At least since 12th gen. Maybe not all motherboards expose it.
It makes my life much easier because I don't have to worry so much about thermal throttling around 100°C, which would invalidate test results just because my cooling is not good enough
System Name | Raptor Baked |
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Processor | 14900k w.c. |
Motherboard | Z790 Hero |
Cooling | w.c. |
Memory | 32GB Hynix |
Video Card(s) | Zotac 4080 w.c. |
Storage | 2TB Kingston kc3k |
Display(s) | Gigabyte 34" Curved |
Case | Corsair 460X |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard |
Power Supply | PCIe5 850w |
Mouse | Asus |
Keyboard | Corsair |
Software | Win 11 |
Benchmark Scores | Cool n Quiet. |
Maybe not all motherboards expose it.
System Name | "Icy Resurrection" |
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Processor | 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX ENCORE |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S upgraded with 2x NF-F12 iPPC-3000 fans and Honeywell PTM7950 TIM |
Memory | 32 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 7600 MT/s 36-44-44-52-96 1.4V |
Video Card(s) | ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition |
Storage | 500 GB WD Black SN750 SE NVMe SSD + 4 TB WD Red Plus WD40EFPX HDD |
Display(s) | 55-inch LG G3 OLED |
Case | Pichau Mancer CV500 White Edition |
Power Supply | EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Microsoft Classic Intellimouse |
Keyboard | Galax Stealth STL-03 |
Software | Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 |
Benchmark Scores | I pulled a Qiqi~ |
You don't think Intel wouldn't have allowed 115°C if it isn't safe? I've set my KS at this temp and will now adjust my 13900k too
Do you know if 12xxxK get be set to 115°c apart from KS as well, or is just 13th and refresh that can allow this? I'll check my 12900K on Z690i later to see if it's possible. Cheers![]()
System Name | Raptor Baked |
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Processor | 14900k w.c. |
Motherboard | Z790 Hero |
Cooling | w.c. |
Memory | 32GB Hynix |
Video Card(s) | Zotac 4080 w.c. |
Storage | 2TB Kingston kc3k |
Display(s) | Gigabyte 34" Curved |
Case | Corsair 460X |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard |
Power Supply | PCIe5 850w |
Mouse | Asus |
Keyboard | Corsair |
Software | Win 11 |
Benchmark Scores | Cool n Quiet. |
Not willing to put my $800 CPU through that, though!
Processor | i3-12100F |
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Motherboard | GA-H610M-H-DDR4 |
Cooling | NH-D15S |
Memory | F4-3200C16D-16GIS |
Video Card(s) | Palit 4060Ti 16GB |
Display(s) | VG249Q |
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-C14S (two fans) |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | Reference Vega 64 |
Storage | Intel 665p 1TB, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Crucial MX300 1TB SATA, Samsung 830 256 GB SATA |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG27, and Samsung S23A700 |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME TITANIUM 850W |
Mouse | Logitech |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Windows 11 Pro, and Ubuntu 20.04 |
They might be counting on people not using these CPUs long enough and hard enough to encounter problems. After all, a 14900K buyer will probably ditch it for a 15900K on release date. Besides, most people won't be running it full throttle all the time so with lower currents most of the time, it would last longer. Using Black's equation, I get a 2.95 times longer lifetime at 100 C than 115 C. Of course, this assumes constant temperature which is not likely for regular consumers.You don't think Intel wouldn't have allowed 115°C if it isn't safe? I've set my KS at this temp and will now adjust my 13900k too
Do you know if 12xxxK get be set to 115°c apart from KS as well, or is just 13th and refresh that can allow this? I'll check my 12900K on Z690i later to see if it's possible. Cheers![]()
System Name | Raptor Baked |
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Processor | 14900k w.c. |
Motherboard | Z790 Hero |
Cooling | w.c. |
Memory | 32GB Hynix |
Video Card(s) | Zotac 4080 w.c. |
Storage | 2TB Kingston kc3k |
Display(s) | Gigabyte 34" Curved |
Case | Corsair 460X |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard |
Power Supply | PCIe5 850w |
Mouse | Asus |
Keyboard | Corsair |
Software | Win 11 |
Benchmark Scores | Cool n Quiet. |
They might be counting on people not using these CPUs long enough and hard enough to encounter problems. After all, a 14900K buyer will probably ditch it for a 15900K on release date. Besides, most people won't be running it full throttle all the time so with lower currents most of the time, it would last longer.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-C14S (two fans) |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | Reference Vega 64 |
Storage | Intel 665p 1TB, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Crucial MX300 1TB SATA, Samsung 830 256 GB SATA |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG27, and Samsung S23A700 |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME TITANIUM 850W |
Mouse | Logitech |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Windows 11 Pro, and Ubuntu 20.04 |
That can be determined by setting it even higher, e.g. at 200 C and seeing how long it takes to fail. This is how they determine the MTTF, i.e. mean time to failure, for these chips in the first place. The relevant portion of that link states:Would be an intersting test, see how long one of these cpu’s can last @ 115.
For an integrated circuit with an MTTF of around 10 years, how can you determine the true MTTF value in a much shorter amount of time? This is done by measuring MTTF at a higher temperature and current density.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5800x3D |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte B550 Gaming X v2 |
Cooling | Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x32GB 3600Mhz C18 |
Video Card(s) | XFX RX 6800 XT Merc 319 |
Storage | Kingston KC2500 2TB NVMe + Crucial MX100 256GB + Samsung 860QVO 1TB + Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB HDD |
Display(s) | Samsung CJG5 27" 144 Hz QHD |
Case | Phanteks Eclipse P360A DRGB Black + 3x Thermalright TL-C12C-S ARGB |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech X530 5.1 + Logitech G35 7.1 Headset |
Power Supply | Cougar GEX850 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Razer Viper 8K |
Keyboard | Logitech G105 |
System Name | Daves |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 3900x |
Motherboard | AsRock X570 Taichi |
Cooling | Enermax LIQMAX III 360 |
Memory | 32 GiG Team Group B Die 3600 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 5700 xt Red Devil |
Storage | Crucial MX 500 SSD and Intel P660 NVME 2TB for games |
Display(s) | Acer 144htz 27in. 2560x1440 |
Case | Phanteks P600S |
Audio Device(s) | N/A |
Power Supply | Corsair RM 750 |
Mouse | EVGA |
Keyboard | Corsair Strafe |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
System Name | Ciel |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R5 5600X |
Motherboard | Asus Tuf Gaming B550 Plus |
Cooling | ID-Cooling 224-XT Basic |
Memory | 2x 16GB Kingston Fury 3600MHz@3933MHz |
Video Card(s) | Gainward Ghost 3060 Ti 8GB + Sapphire Pulse RX 6600 8GB |
Storage | NVMe Kingston KC3000 2TB + NVMe Toshiba KBG40ZNT256G + HDD WD 4TB |
Display(s) | AOC Q27G3XMN + Samsung S22F350 |
Case | Cougar MX410 Mesh-G |
Audio Device(s) | Kingston HyperX Cloud Stinger Core 7.1 Wireless PC |
Power Supply | Aerocool KCAS-500W |
Mouse | EVGA X15 |
Keyboard | VSG Alnilam |
Software | Windows 11 |
System Name | "Icy Resurrection" |
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Processor | 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX ENCORE |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S upgraded with 2x NF-F12 iPPC-3000 fans and Honeywell PTM7950 TIM |
Memory | 32 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 7600 MT/s 36-44-44-52-96 1.4V |
Video Card(s) | ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition |
Storage | 500 GB WD Black SN750 SE NVMe SSD + 4 TB WD Red Plus WD40EFPX HDD |
Display(s) | 55-inch LG G3 OLED |
Case | Pichau Mancer CV500 White Edition |
Power Supply | EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Microsoft Classic Intellimouse |
Keyboard | Galax Stealth STL-03 |
Software | Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 |
Benchmark Scores | I pulled a Qiqi~ |
Don't get me wrong, but I think it's pretty nifty to set up to 115°C no thermal throttling as 100°C and below has been the standard for decades.
World record already set:Intel Core i9-14900K Posts Record-Breaking 9.1 GHz CPU Frequency World Record, DDR5-11614 Achieved Too (wccftech.com)
You don't think Intel wouldn't have allowed 115°C if it isn't safe? I've set my KS at this temp and will now adjust my 13900k too
Do you know if 12xxxK get be set to 115°c apart from KS as well, or is just 13th and refresh that can allow this? I'll check my 12900K on Z690i later to see if it's possible. Cheers![]()
They are saying that Intel has nothing to do with it, it is boards vendors thing. But I really doubt it.According to Anandtech; MSI allowed this only for 14xxx
While Intel does define formal TDPs, including PL1 and PL2 values, motherboard vendors such as MSI, as per our MEG Z790 Ace MAX, seem to throw all sense of limitations out of the window. In our power testing, the maximum power value we drew from the Core i9-14900K was a staggering 428 W; this is wild by any stretch of the imagination. In contrast, the Core i9-13900K on the same board during our re-testing pulled 343 W in the same tests, showing the disdain or lack of care motherboard vendors have for power efficiency; we can't blame Intel for this.
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It has the same performance of KS and very liiiitle power improvement, after almost one year ?You're saying 13900K is Editor's Choice but not 14900K which a very little bit better in everything?
System Name | Poor Man's PC |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSI B650M Mortar WiFi |
Cooling | ID Cooling SE 206 XT with Arctic P12 Max fan |
Memory | 32GB GSkill Flare X5 DDR5 6000Mhz |
Video Card(s) | XFX Merc 310 Radeon RX 7900 XT |
Storage | XPG Gammix S70 Blade 2TB + 8 TB WD Ultrastar DC HC320 |
Display(s) | Mi Gaming Curved 3440x1440 144Hz |
Case | Asus A21 Case |
Audio Device(s) | MPow Air Wireless + Mi Soundbar |
Power Supply | Enermax Revolution DF 650W Gold |
Mouse | Logitech MX Anywhere 3 |
Keyboard | Logitech Pro X + Kailh box heavy pale blue switch + Durock stabilizers |
VR HMD | Meta Quest 2 |
Benchmark Scores | Who need bench when everything already fast? |