EK seems to be having major issues

[gurusmi]

I think you misunderstand how things work in the real business world.

Really? That's why i'm sind >20 yrs a Project manager in the Who-Is-Who of the industry. Yeah. Sure.

I got to the opinion that you don't know what you talk about. As i'm not keen in business life you can tell me since when a owner without executable functions is responsible for the execs and get to jail for their criminal actings. I want to remind you that you stated that E. König, an owner without any executable position gets to prison because of the criminal acts the managemenbt (execs) did.

A few of the company execs are very likely going to prison, one of them extremely likely. Edvard Konig is likely to as well if he ever steps foot outside Slovenia.

Oops. This just remind me of two things:

1. As long any hasn't done anything wrong he don't get to jail. OK that's could be mor unusal in the US. But in europe it is a fact.

2. A real old story of Eberlein and the city of Nurenberg. When he was arrested he made it happen to get a horse and jumps over the city walls and flee. When he was jumping he called: "Nuremberg don't hang somebody as long as they don't have him arrested".

 

[chrcoluk]

Alphacool is an another well-known vendor.

And then we have those Chinese(?) ones like Barrow and Bykski which supposedly are good manufacturers as well.

Yeah but I dont use water cooling so not in the game, people like me will have only heard of what the media talks about.

I may have heard of them in the past, but its not a name that was stuck in my head.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I want to remind you that you stated that E. König, an owner without any executable position gets to prison because of the criminal acts the managemenbt (execs) did.

Except that what you're saying isn't correct, so all you're doing in that guys defense is blah, blah, blah.

 

[gurusmi]

Except that what you're saying isn't correct, so all you're doing in that guys defense is blah, blah, blah.

You don't be able to understand. You are trapped in your own and the influencers BS story. In a different universe where logical thinking is a sin. Everybody who is not able or willing to understand me is making it onto my ignore list. Enjoy. I do not defense anybody. I defend justice and being neutrality. I'm a proud european and this attitudes exists in europe since over 2.500 years

 

[lexluthermiester]

You don't be able to understand.

That's gotta be it, MY failure to understand..

You are trapped in your own and the influencers BS story.

No, I'm not. But you do you sharky.

 

[Ruru]

I may be wrong about what I said earlier, the previous owner said that it just might've been the nickel plating which has started to remove a little instead of corrosion on my block. I find it totally possible.

Otherwise nothing to complain about this 3080/3090 TUF fullcover block. Temps are amazing even when I have CPU in the same loop and only one 240x45 rad.

 

[maxfly]

I may be wrong about what I said earlier, the previous owner said that it just might've been the nickel plating which has started to remove a little instead of corrosion on my block. I find it totally possible.

Otherwise nothing to complain about this 3080/3090 TUF fullcover block. Temps are amazing even when I have CPU in the same loop and only one 240x45 rad.

The nickel plating coming off won't effect your temps at all. Mannies only started using nickel because copper corrodes so easily and people couldn't manage their loops properly (people couldn't comprehend the need for corrosion inhibitors). So nickel (and sometimes gold) became the easiest solution for nice clean looking blocks long term. I had a pair of EK solid copper blocks that I never touched for 5yrs. By the time I retired the system and pulled the blocks they were a lovely mix of brownish, orangish and blackness. Amazingly, temps never changed during their 5yrs of service and the loop never looked dirty. Lesson here is even if your nickel comes off and your copper looks like crap your GPU temps will stay static...as for the rest of your loop? Well, that's a job for CLR baby! Hahaha

 

[Ruru]

The nickel plating coming off won't effect your temps at all. Mannies only started using nickel because copper corrodes so easily and people couldn't manage their loops properly (people couldn't comprehend the need for corrosion inhibitors). So nickel (and sometimes gold) became the easiest solution for nice clean looking blocks long term. I had a pair of EK solid copper blocks that I never touched for 5yrs. By the time I retired the system and pulled the blocks they were a lovely mix of brownish, orangish and blackness. Amazingly, temps never changed during their 5yrs of service and the loop never looked dirty. Lesson here is even if your nickel comes off and your copper looks like crap your GPU temps will stay static...as for the rest of your loop? Well, that's a job for CLR baby! Hahaha

Yup, that's just plating as the block itself is made of copper.

I use distilled water myself as liquid.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I may be wrong about what I said earlier, the previous owner said that it just might've been the nickel plating which has started to remove a little instead of corrosion on my block. I find it totally possible.

Otherwise nothing to complain about this 3080/3090 TUF fullcover block. Temps are amazing even when I have CPU in the same loop and only one 240x45 rad.

Keep in mind, that's RTX3000 series stuff. That was several years ago before the major rot started setting in.

 

[A Computer Guy]

EKWB Whistleblower Dan Henderson talks to KitGuru

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Wow, this is such a mess. I do not have time to watch the whole video, but up to the approx half of the video I learned, that mr. Henderson suddenly realises that he is owed a commision for the last 14 months, he is declined to receive that commision (in video he somehow does not comment on the sentence in the letter by EK, that it was confirmed in writing that the commision is not due), then he states that he signed a new contract with the company, in which he agrees not to ask this commision to be payed to him, then he receives money from the EK, which commented that this money is an advanced payment for his new contract, and then he claims that he got no money for his new contract?

Beside of what I wrote here, it seems that some inappropriate (stupid) communication from EK also happened, but it does not change the above facts.

It seems that the company wanted to make a nice gesture towards him and pay him money for his new contract in advance in the amount of the originally disputed commision, and he somehow decided that they payed him this commison, while forgetting that he agreed not to be payed it? Then he expected to receive extra money according to the new contract, in spite of the fact he was clearly informed that the amount he received is an advanced payment for the new contract?

It is something wrong with mr. Henderson, which also is visible in the video, if you watch him closely.

BTW when EK sends out money to people, they do not clearly state in the payment information, why are they sending the money, for example "Monthly payment, February 2024, contract nr. xxxxxxx " Or "Advanced payment for contract nr. xxxxxxxx", etc?




I just realised, that mr. Henderson revelead by publishing these documents that the sales of the EK US Enterprice branch in that period of 14 months were 1 877 560 Euro, revealing a trade secret of the company he already received the legal letters from. Wow...

Now I have pretty low hopes for mr. Herderson and also for Gamers Nexus, who are IMO liable for the damages their unprofessional defamatory videos caused. If they bothered to contact the company they were reporting about, they may have found what was happening and they may have reported about this differently or may not have reported about it at all.

When they decided to base their video of one deranged former contractor and not follow standard journalistic practise, it is their fault and they are liable.

EDIT: I just briefly scanned comments under the video and it is funny, how people, who KNOW NOTHING about the contractual obligations of both parties regarding the commision and subsequent written and verbal communication about the commision, are absolutely certain, that mr. Henderson is in the right. I think that his willingness to sign the new contract and give up his right to be payed this commision is telling about how strong his rights were.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ladies & Gentlemen, we are with the above comment presented a very nice, near textbook example of what is known as a "Strawman Argument", with a healthy dash of brand-splaining.

I just realised, that mr. Henderson revelead by publishing these documents that the sales of the EK US Enterprice branch in that period of 14 months were 1 877 560 Euro, revealing a trade secret of the company he already received the legal letters from. Wow...

Wow are you reaching hard. I mean, how much brown-nosing of EK do you intended to do? It's more than just a bit sad.

When they decided to base their video of one deranged former contractor and not follow standard journalistic practise, it is their fault and they are liable.

Oh? And what about all the rest of the people who have been wronged by EK? Hmm? What about them? Are THEY deranged too? Are they faking being ripped off, cheated, defrauded and deceived?

 

[Kapone33]

Keep in mind, that's RTX3000 series stuff. That was several years ago before the major rot started setting in.

Yep something definitely went wrong at EK. I know I gave up on my warranty service when they tried to tell me it was Alphacool's fault that their GPU block failed and quoted the manual.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yep something definitely went wrong at EK. I know I gave up on my warranty service when they tried to tell me it was Alphacool's fault that their GPU block failed and quoted the manual.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Wow are you reaching hard. I mean, how much brown-nosing of EK do you intended to do? It's more than just a bit sad.

I am just trying to be objective, that is all.

I am not going to judge if mr. Herderson was in the right to be payed the commision he asked for, because the critical legal and other information about the commision is not available to me. What is available is the information that he agreed to give up his right to be payed it in the new contract. Another piece of information is a claim from EK that the services for the commision were never provided and it has been confirmed in writing that the commision is not due. How can I dispute that information without knowing more?

Oh? And what about all the rest of the people who have been wronged by EK? Hmm? What about them? Are THEY deranged too? Are they faking being ripped off, cheated, defrauded and deceived?

You can collect negative information about any company or person, put it together and make a dramatic defamatory video from it. One example - citing one tasteless comment from informal communiciation between employees and concluding that the company has a huge problem with racism is just dumb and unjust.

That a company with financial (liquidity) problems settles their obligations with delay is nothing remarkable, really.

BTW I am a state officer and I need to base everything I do on the law and be as objective and fair to all parties as I can, because any misstep can bring huge problems to me. I am (partially) liable for all damages if I did not follow all the laws and rules and treated somebody unfairly. I can tell that a lot of people behave in an unjust and uncorroborated manner now.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I am just trying to be objective, that is all.

Doesn't seem like that. Example?...

You can collect negative information about any company or person, put it together and make a dramatic defamatory video from it.

...this. Objectivity is needed only so much as looking at the evidence and drawing a conclusion. This is not rocket science and doesn't take much to see clearly.

Sorry man, but when a GOVERNMENT has stated that the company in question is being admonished for unlawful actions, we can take the message at face value. EK has violated the law in several ways and in several places. They have cheated people out of services and money. They are not a company who has proven they deserve to stay in business.

BTW I am a state officer

OH really? Where?

 

[ty_ger]

Is the drama over yet?

 

[BoggledBeagle]

EK has violated the law in several ways and in several places. They have cheated people out of services and money. They are not a company who has proven they deserve to stay in business.

This is so funny, you seem to be living on another planet. Companies do break the law and other regulations, they do it willingly, by mistake or negligence, they are fined, they dispute the fines, even if they are just and moderate, they are trying to get as much information about competing companies, they try to reveal as little information about themselves as possible, they try to pay as little taxes as possible, they try to avoid any restrictive regulations, even when these regulations are in the best common interest, etc, etc etc.

I have no idea what gives you the idea of you being the "ultimate arbiter" who decides what company deserves to stay in business.

Is the drama over yet?

The company claims they are on a good path for recovery and seems to be wanting to stay in business.

The problematic commision has been settled in the new contract mr. H. signed, and if he did not agree with it and has not accepted it, he should not have signed it.

It seems that mr. H. wanted more from the company than what he was entitled to according to his new contract and that was the main reason for terminating the contract.

It seems that the inappropriate communication from EK after the new contract with mr. H has been signed (and also the profoundly stupid decision to pay for the new contract in the amount of the previously disputed commision) was the main reason for removing the former CEO from his position.

Gamers Nexus videos now seem to be a collection of negative claims about the company based on a dissatisfied former contractor of the company, they appear to be able to cause real and quantifiable damage to the company.

BTW most of the corrective actions may have been decided, planned and executed BEFORE the videos, the videos having no real positive impact on anything, except Gamers Nexus views, and perhaps some people getting money they had been owed sooner.

I think that the next good step from this mess is for the EK to be unusually opened about what happened, what is happening now, what are their steps for the future. What is in the first KitGuru video with EK owner is not sufficient IMO.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This is so funny, you seem to be living on another planet. Companies do break the law and other regulations, they do it willingly, by mistake or negligence, they are fined, they dispute the fines, even if they are just and moderate, they are trying to get as much information about competing companies, they try to reveal as little information about themselves as possible, they try to pay as little taxes as possible, they try to avoid any restrictive regulations, even when these regulations are in the best common interest, etc, etc etc.

I have no idea what gives you the idea of you being the "ultimate arbiter" who decides what company deserves to stay in business.

Yeah, it's funny alright. This nonsense, plus the fact that you didn't answer the above question, speaks volumes in very simple words.

 

[A Computer Guy]

The saga continues

 

[N/A]

Where are all these people using custom water cooling and bending tubes. How are these numbers real. I thought it was a really niche product.

 

[Ruru]

Where are all these people using custom water cooling and bending tubes. How are these numbers real. I thought it was a really niche product.

Here's one o/ though I'm on air temporarily.

 

[damric]

Where are all these people using custom water cooling and bending tubes. How are these numbers real. I thought it was a really niche product.

I have a lot of water cooling stuff but most of mine is cheap stuff. I have a few EK parts that I got on clearance. The only EK thing I paid full price for was a dual D5 pump.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

After watching that video, the company is run by chimps. I have spent a LOT on EK stuff in the past, but i would not buy any of their stuff now, not a single O ring.

 

[Fokker]

The entire thing smells like a nepotism circle jerk after all that.