AIR COOLING... what's the diference?

[A Computer Guy]

I’m not sure how I would save space with the corresponding radiators for the water cooling

Do you have a pool? You could take the Linus approach and use your pool water to cool your PC with an exchange system.

 

[venturi]

I had not considered that, after this build I can barely afford a Walmart plastic kiddy pool

 

[soundzen]

not here to critic or sugest or talk about a great system of someone

 

[oxrufiioxo]

And speaking of air flow, like my topic title mentions * wink *
...i don't understand why those latest glass panel cases (model below) HAS FANS ON THE SIDE because the air goes crashing into the glass in front of them and bounces all over the place, no?
i get it the esthetic fad to see components from all sides (2 angles at least) so that's why they replaced front fans with another glass panel... but they are damn pretty i reckon!
shouldn't the fresh air come in from the frontal fans and push the hot air accumulating inside the case, coming from components then push all out at the back of case ???
(sometimes with help of other fans on its way, such as the CPU air cooler tower fans)


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...while the PSU sucks in, fresh air from below through its own incased fan and pushes air out, trough the back grill where the power cable is.

They can be fine with moderate components and decent fans.... But really cases like that do best when they have full bottom intake available.

Not everyone is running 14900k/4090s

For a 200w gpu and 100w cpu ballpark almost all cases would be fine with a gentle flow of air.

 

[soundzen]

to avoid dust in falling into pc because of gravity duhhh LOL why isnt there an acrylic cover on top of every wall mount open case leaving no cover at front panel and getting full air on 3 other sides ??? cases should get rid of front heavy breakable glass and place little roof on top... roof wont cut airflow because i dont think builders would place an horizontal rad&fans on top to collect dust.

 

[thesmokingman]

With respect , because water cooling poses advantages and your measures are apropos:

the radiators have to go somewhere and to mount, suspend and make sure warm air isn’t recycled…. But I don’t think it’s going to provide better temps than what I have, if you check this post, fully, you can see how I experimented with watercooling, I even experimented with the MSI water cooled 4090s, but performance was worse than my air cooled

You're doing it wrong somehow, no way in hell water is worse. Been there done that.

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[soundzen]

leave his awesome system alone hes not here to search for upgrade.

thanks @venturi but i have hard time finding a TT core P1 on sale in Portugal... not even Amazon

 

[freeagent]

The Torrents are pretty good for airflow. Its too bad they are expensive.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The Torrents are pretty good for airflow. Its too bad they are expensive.

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I like the case a lot but hate the top if they made a dual chamber version of it I'd like it a lot more..... Awesome for a tower air cooler which I like but probably wouldn't use in a primary system. Idk I like the new noctua one even though it makes no sense over the cheaper options.

 

[freeagent]

like the case a lot but hate the top

I think that is to direct airflow from the big fans back down to your ram and cooler. I actually blocked the main chamber from the PSU chamber using packing tape lol.. It was dumb to have airflow going into the PSU chamber from the top. PSU gets its air from the main chamber near the CPU and stays cool, never warm air coming from it... but I don't have a 4090

 

[xtreemchaos]

to avoid dust in falling into pc

if you mind a bit of dust a open case is not for you bud and if you had a acrylic top it would stop heat rising and sorta stop the case being open.

 

[soundzen]

i saw online that most TT core P1 cases use a cpu water cooling system but luckily in this photo i can see an air cpu cooler with its giant tower like mine, so no need for extra radiators and tubes... i would get rid of the 4 metal corner rods to not use the glass panel.

if you mind a bit of dust a open case is not for you bud and if you had a acrylic top it would stop heat rising and sorta stop the case being open.

true! i forgot heat flows upwards and would be trapped under the acrylic roof... ok then - not a single panel in my rig, to get air from all sides and frontal.

 

[Brotato]

Also pricey but there is this.
XTIA Xproto-ATX case V2 – XTIA shop

I'd own one if the screw holes had steel inserts like the streacom bench tables vs tapped into the aluminum directly.

 

[Caring1]

Also pricey but there is this.
XTIA Xproto-ATX case V2 – XTIA shop

I'd own one if the screw holes had steel inserts like the streacom bench tables vs tapped into the aluminum directly.

Use Rivnuts in their place.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

Do you have a pool? You could take the Linus approach and use your pool water to cool your PC with an exchange system.

I had not considered that, after this build I can barely afford a Walmart plastic kiddy pool

So...the way to "save space" is simply to distribute it. You can do exactly what Linus did....in a slightly more sane and rational setup (heavily qualifying sane as only more affordable than pouring a pool).

The idea is that you remove the tower coolers, and replace them with just a liquid heat plate. You take the heat from the CPUs/GPUs, pump it away to a big off-location spot, transfer it out with radiators or other cooling, and call it a day. If I wanted to jank together a solution I'd buy a window sill AC unit. I'd crack it open, so that the internal cold side was exposed. I'd then enclose the fins on the cold side, using the flow of water over the cold fins to chill the fluid going through my computer. The hot side would still have fins and a fan pumping excess heat outside the window, so you'd basically have one or two hoses coming from the wall mount AC unit into the computer, and the same amount taking the hot fluid back.

It takes time for a window mount AC unit to cool...and the thermal load would be vanishingly small when compared to any reasonably sized room getting real AC...so this is one of those proof of concepts (or trying to water cool to below ambient temperatures...which has its own condensation issues). I...see no reasonable world in which you actually do this...but have to make the suggestion because somebody is going to make it. Anyone else remember the "cooling tower" thing: Cooler Max cooling tower



Sometimes...well, silly is just silly.

 

[soundzen]

streacom DA6 is a minimalist pretty sweet rig indeed (even if all cables are missing from picture) but expensive for 4 tubes and 2 plates... i will wait for AliExpress to do their flimsy cheaper replica LOL

 

[Brotato]

streacom DA6 is a minimalist pretty sweet rig indeed (even if all cables are missing from picture) but expensive for 4 tubes and 2 plates... i will wait for AliExpress to do their flimsy cheaper replica LOL

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I have one of those. It was between the x-proto and this one won out. An AIO can fit so long as the radiator + fans are on the outside of those mounts.
Those mounts are fiddly as fuck, but as I tear down my systems and rebuild way too much it's something you can get a hang of..or whatever clone you might find.

Extremely well built. Even if it's expensive, it's in line with the quality you'd expect from a boutique low volume case.
TPU had a favorable review of it.
Streacom DA6 Review - Thermal Stress Test | TechPowerUp

If one was to do a loop with that, it would take some serious talent or a full external rad/pump/res with QDs.

 

[Sunny and 75]

For a 200w gpu and 100w cpu ballpark almost all cases would be fine with a gentle flow of air.

This^

 

[soundzen]

interesting bench case for a cheap price... no water cooling reservoir like sugested in pic, just use a big air cpu cooler block

 

[Qwerty101]

All PC cases suck to be honest.

Just look at servers and workstations to see how it is done properly. Airflow is managed with ducts and the airflow is tightly directed and controlled through these ducts and elements to where it will cool the system reliably for 24/7 100% load operation.

The commercial PC cases have various holes where you may or may not slap fans of various speed and diameter that blow air wherever with no guidance.

That is what makes the closed liquid coolers so popular: you dump the CPU heat directly outside the cluster f*ck of case airflow.

The motherboard, VRMs and ram often get no real airflow due to the unfocused fans (no ducts) that are too far away anyway.

But hey … bling bling 100 LEDs, colors and flashing lights right?

 

[soundzen]

true, looks b4 practicality lol... but pc cases more cheaper to produce than those high end industrial racks with ducts and our pc wont reach similar stress than servers.

 

[venturi]

i saw online that most TT core P1 cases use a cpu water cooling system but luckily in this photo i can see an air cpu cooler with its giant tower like mine, so no need for extra radiators and tubes... i would get rid of the 4 metal corner rods to not use the glass panel.

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true! i forgot heat flows upwards and would be trapped under the acrylic roof... ok then - not a single panel in my rig, to get air from all sides and frontal.

I love the P1 and P3 cases, they are the base of my personal PC (s). Nothing wrong with that pictured P1 you referenced, as for dust.. I don't see any dust, this is dual 9684x 192 cores/384HT and dual 4090s, and I have zero heat issues, in fact idle temps are around 28c CPU and 31C for the video cards. Load temps for cards don't exceed 54C

Once every few moths I blow it off with a can of compressed air, not a big deal. I don't have rugs so that helps keep the dust down.

 

[thesmokingman]

I have zero heat issues, in fact idle temps are around 28c CPU and 31C for the video cards. Load temps for cards don't exceed 54C

Lmao, that's cuz you're spending thousands of watts on AC.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Lmao, that's cuz you're spending thousands of watts on AC.

How does that matter? I would keep my ambient the same regardless of if I had a pc or not. I prefer a cool ambient. I don't turn my AC down further when I use my pc of have a dedicated AC unit for my office.

That being said it's the reason I don't like being specific about temps my 70F and somebody else's 78F are enough to drastically alter the results even if using identically hardware. But that really no different than people claiming specific temps with specific hardware while cranking every fan to 100% which I'd argue for most is actually a less realistic scenario.

Regardless of anything anyone claims on a forum if you're interested in specific hardware it's your responsibility to do the research and factor in your own living environment not the person posting what they are seeing with their own use case.

 

[thesmokingman]

How does that matter? I would keep my ambient the same regardless of if I had a pc or not. I prefer a cool ambient. I don't turn my AC down further when I use my pc of have a dedicated AC unit for my office.

That being said it's the reason I don't like being specific about temps my 70F and somebody else's 78F are enough to drastically alter the results even if using identically hardware. But that really no different than people claiming specific temps with specific hardware while cranking every fan to 100% which I'd argue for most is actually a less realistic scenario.

Regardless of anything anyone claims on a forum if you're interested in specific hardware it's your responsibility to do the research and factor in your own living environment not the person posting what they are seeing with their own use case.

Ofc it matters lmao. Using AC to maintain a low ambient whilst suggesting the aircooling is awesome is misleading. Whether you use AC or not is your own choice, but not making the connection that spending 5K watts or more to maintain a low ambient makes the aircooling look better than it is misleading. It had to be pointed out.