System Name | Main PC |
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Processor | 13700k |
Motherboard | Asrock Z690 Steel Legend D4 - Bios 13.02 |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S |
Memory | 32 Gig 3200CL14 |
Video Card(s) | 4080 RTX SUPER FE 16G |
Storage | 1TB 980 PRO, 2TB SN850X, 2TB DC P4600, 1TB 860 EVO, 2x 3TB WD Red, 2x 4TB WD Red |
Display(s) | LG 27GL850 |
Case | Fractal Define R4 |
Audio Device(s) | Soundblaster AE-9 |
Power Supply | Antec HCG 750 Gold |
Software | Windows 10 21H2 LTSC |
System Name | "Icy Resurrection" |
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Processor | 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX ENCORE |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S upgraded with 2x NF-F12 iPPC-3000 fans and Honeywell PTM7950 TIM |
Memory | 32 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 7600 MT/s 36-44-44-52-96 1.4V |
Video Card(s) | ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition |
Storage | 500 GB WD Black SN750 SE NVMe SSD + 4 TB WD Red Plus WD40EFPX HDD |
Display(s) | 55-inch LG G3 OLED |
Case | Pichau Mancer CV500 White Edition |
Power Supply | EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Microsoft Classic Intellimouse |
Keyboard | Galax Stealth STL-03 |
Software | Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 |
Benchmark Scores | I pulled a Qiqi~ |
Hopefully dead in a ditch somewhere. M-atx is a pretty pointless form factor as far as I’m concerned; you either go atx or itx these days. The better question is where’s the apex equivalent?
No camm2 versions, no money from me.
And the benefits would be? certainly not higher memory speed, let alone real life performance gains.No camm2 versions, no money from me.
It is not gene, it is strix x870-i mini-itx.Right here:
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Gene is the closest thing Ryzen platforms get to the Apex, essential for memory overclocking. Won't be missed that much admittedly, given 9K shares the same limits of 7K and the Gene itself was only needed for the most extreme of setups (unlike on Intel where the Apex is a significant amount ahead of other boards, including the likes of the Extreme, Dark Hero and Formula)
CAMM would be the single most useless thing on an AMD platform right now. The memory controller just can't handle it.
System Name | The Captain (2.0) |
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Processor | Ryzen 7 7700X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X670E AORUS Master |
Cooling | 280mm Arctic Liquid Freezer II, 4x Be Quiet! 140mm Silent Wings 4 (1x exhaust 3x intake) |
Memory | 32GB (2x16) G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo (6000Mhz) |
Video Card(s) | MSI GeForce RTX 3070 SUPRIM X |
Storage | 1x Crucial MX500 500GB SSD; 1x Crucial MX500 500GB M.2 SSD; 1x WD Blue HDD, 1x Crucial P5 Plus |
Display(s) | Aorus CV27F 27" 1080p 165Hz |
Case | Phanteks Evolv X (Anthracite Gray) |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2021) 1000W 80-Plus Gold |
Mouse | Varies based on mood/task; is currently Razer Basilisk V3 Pro or Razer Cobra Pro |
Keyboard | Varies based on mood; currently Razer Blackwidow V4 75% and Hyper X Alloy 65 |
Just a heads up. Only one of these x870 boards listed has 10gb LAN. The Pro-art model.
And if you populate all m.2 slots, the main primary pci-e slot bumps down in speed. Might just stick with my MSI x670e MEG ACE.
System Name | Overlord Mk MLI |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 SE with offsets |
Memory | 32GB Team T-Create Expert DDR5 6000 MHz @ CL30-34-34-68 |
Video Card(s) | Gainward GeForce RTX 4080 Phantom GS |
Storage | 1TB Solidigm P44 Pro, 2 TB Corsair MP600 Pro, 2TB Kingston KC3000 |
Display(s) | Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz |
Case | Fractal Design Torrent Compact |
Audio Device(s) | Corsair Virtuoso SE |
Power Supply | be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850 W |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Lightspeed |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 Max |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | https://valid.x86.fr/yfsd9w |
So far only portable monitors can be powered by USB, so this is hardly a big issue.they lack USB PD so you can't drive a monitor with only one cable.
I think the idea is that you could do a ITX PC with a portable monitor with only one outletSo far only portable monitors can be powered by USB, so this is hardly a big issue.
As I predicted, the forced addition of USB4 via 4 PCIe-lanes of the CPU, the exclusion of a two-chip-solution without USB4 (formerly X670) and the will to offer as many M.2 as possible leads to boards with absurd lane sharing an very few PCIe-slots, thus low flexibilty. Of course, why should they add a DP-In or USB PD to all these USB4-ports. Gods beware that they actually make them as usefull as possible.
I feel better now about my Prime X670E-Pro WiFi, having two Gen4x4-slots from chipset, unshared, two M.2-slots from CPU unshared (sadly, only one Gen5), 4xSATA and at least a Gen3x4 or x2 M.2-slot that can be used to add another 6xSATA.
1) why so butthurt? Aside from tax their boards are pretty good
A shame 5GbE is reserved for ROG Hero and ROG Strix X870E-E.
Unless you want a two DIMM board that fits more than two M.2. Then you literally have no choice unless someone finally releases ATX sized two DIMM board for memory OC.Hopefully dead in a ditch somewhere. M-atx is a pretty pointless form factor as far as I’m concerned; you either go atx or itx these days. The better question is where’s the apex equivalent?
It was always vaporware. I too hope the X870 Tachyon will be broadly available, even if it only comes in white...Only apex equivalent I know is b650e aorus tachyon but in EU/US is unobtainable. I hope X870 aorus tachyon would be available.
No they do not. For some reason only MSI seems to be supporting up to 256GB on AM5. I say "for some reason" because there are no 64GB UDIMM's available yet. The highest is 48GB and 4x48 is 192 that everyone supports. 64GB RDIMM's exist but they are not compatible with UDIMM boards so this 256GB support on MSI boards is currently wasted.Hmm, all other big players on home desktop motherboards market go to support 256GB RAM include with it's older series. Only Asus stuck on 192GB. Why?
God forbid, that would be too hard to engineer. /sWhy no two memory slot option for better memory overclocking?
Yep and that is why wee need Tachyon, Unify etc.Gene is the closest thing Ryzen platforms get to the Apex, essential for memory overclocking. Won't be missed that much admittedly, given 9K shares the same limits of 7K and the Gene itself was only needed for the most extreme of setups (unlike on Intel where the Apex is a significant amount ahead of other boards, including the likes of the Extreme, Dark Hero and Formula)
Not even lower timings at 6000-6400? I doubt that.CAMM would be the single most useless thing on an AMD platform right now. The memory controller just can't handle it.
Better CPU cooler compatibility with large HSF's like D-15. Higher capacity per module. Easier to cool. These came to mind first.And the benefits would be? certainly not higher memory speed, let alone real life performance gains.
If you mean ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 then i would not even consider a board without appropriate buttons for memory OC where black screens and other issues are frequent. Unless i want to go crazy and thrown into insane asylum.Why pay for a gene when the ASRock HDV can get you 95% of the way there for memory overclocking at 1/5th price anyways.
We'll see. Im pretty optimistic about CAMM2 for desktop. Not for every use case and form factor tho.CAMM will remain pointless for desktop until 50 years in the future when they can finally decide on a standard layout. Not to mention all proof of concept modules ive seen have been at horrendously loose timings and low voltages. Can’t imagine cooling CAMM modules that have ICs sandwiched in air deadspace either and the second you start pushing more than 1.5v to actually get to overclocked frequencies that matter.
System Name | "Icy Resurrection" |
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Processor | 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX ENCORE |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S upgraded with 2x NF-F12 iPPC-3000 fans and Honeywell PTM7950 TIM |
Memory | 32 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 7600 MT/s 36-44-44-52-96 1.4V |
Video Card(s) | ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition |
Storage | 500 GB WD Black SN750 SE NVMe SSD + 4 TB WD Red Plus WD40EFPX HDD |
Display(s) | 55-inch LG G3 OLED |
Case | Pichau Mancer CV500 White Edition |
Power Supply | EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Microsoft Classic Intellimouse |
Keyboard | Galax Stealth STL-03 |
Software | Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 |
Benchmark Scores | I pulled a Qiqi~ |
Not even lower timings at 6000-6400? I doubt that.
Just make new check. In specifications on product pagesNo they do not. For some reason only MSI seems to be supporting up to 256GB on AM5
System Name | Firelance. |
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Processor | Threadripper 3960X |
Motherboard | ROG Strix TRX40-E Gaming |
Cooling | IceGem 360 + 6x Arctic Cooling P12 |
Memory | 8x 16GB Patriot Viper DDR4-3200 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Ventus 2X OC |
Storage | 2TB WD SN850X (boot), 4TB Crucial P3 (data) |
Display(s) | 3x AOC Q32E2N (32" 2560x1440 75Hz) |
Case | Enthoo Pro II Server Edition (Closed Panel) + 6 fans |
Power Supply | Fractal Design Ion+ 2 Platinum 760W |
Mouse | Logitech G602 |
Keyboard | Logitech G613 |
Software | Windows 10 Professional x64 |
I checked Geizhals.de. Unless their info is old/outdated. And even if is - care to link where you can buy 64GB UDIMM's?Just make new check. In specifications on product pages![]()
What would be the point of those extra lanes if the primary PCIe stays x16 and we are at the limit of how many x4 M.2's can be installed on mainstream boards?I would love to know what AMD was smoking when they decided to artificially segment Zen 4+ for mainstream to less than 32 PCIe lanes. It was barely sufficient for Zen 4, it's very obviously not enough for Zen 5, and by the time Zen 6 comes around it will just look pathetic. This is the flipside of keeping a socket around forever: if you don't design the first product using that socket to have all the expansion you expect future products to need, then those future products are constrained by that first one.
Hopefully AMD will get smart with Zen 6 and drop a new IOD (and socket) that gives us a sane number of PCIe lanes (i.e. more than 32), but given how focused they now are forcing consumers to HEDT for features that should be mainstream, I'm doubtful.
Unless you want a two DIMM board that fits more than two M.2. Then you literally have no choice unless someone finally releases ATX sized two DIMM board for memory OC.
It was always vaporware. I too hope the X870 Tachyon will be broadly available, even if it only comes in white...
No they do not. For some reason only MSI seems to be supporting up to 256GB on AM5. I say "for some reason" because there are no 64GB UDIMM's available yet. The highest is 48GB and 4x48 is 192 that everyone supports. 64GB RDIMM's exist but they are not compatible with UDIMM boards so this 256GB support on MSI boards is currently wasted.
God forbid, that would be too hard to engineer. /s
Yep and that is why wee need Tachyon, Unify etc.
Not even lower timings at 6000-6400? I doubt that.
Better CPU cooler compatibility with large HSF's like D-15. Higher capacity per module. Easier to cool. These came to mind first.
If you mean ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 then i would not even consider a board without appropriate buttons for memory OC where black screens and other issues are frequent. Unless i want to go crazy and thrown into insane asylum.
We'll see. Im pretty optimistic about CAMM2 for desktop. Not for every use case and form factor tho.
Don't worry.I checked Geizhals.de
Processor | Intel i9 9900K @5GHz w/ Corsair H150i Pro CPU AiO w/Corsair HD120 RBG fan |
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Motherboard | Asus Z390 Maximus XI Code |
Cooling | 6x120mm Corsair HD120 RBG fans |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance RBG 2x8GB 3600MHz |
Video Card(s) | Asus RTX 3080Ti STRIX OC |
Storage | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB , 970 EVO 1TB, Samsung 850 EVO 1TB SSD, 10TB Synology DS1621+ RAID5 |
Display(s) | Corsair Xeneon 32" 32UHD144 4K |
Case | Corsair 570x RBG Tempered Glass |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard / Corsair Virtuoso XT Wireless RGB |
Power Supply | Corsair HX850w Platinum Series |
Mouse | Logitech G604s |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 Rapidfire |
Software | Windows 11 x64 Professional |
Benchmark Scores | Firestrike - 23520 Heaven - 3670 |
As I predicted, the forced addition of USB4 via 4 PCIe-lanes of the CPU, the exclusion of a two-chip-solution without USB4 (formerly X670) and the will to offer as many M.2 as possible leads to boards with absurd lane sharing
System Name | Best AMD Computer |
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Processor | AMD 7900X3D |
Motherboard | Asus X670E E Strix |
Cooling | In Win SR36 |
Memory | GSKILL DDR5 32GB 5200 30 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 7900XT (Watercooled) |
Storage | Corsair MP 700, Seagate 530 2Tb, Adata SX8200 2TBx2, Kingston 2 TBx2, Micron 8 TB, WD AN 1500 |
Display(s) | GIGABYTE FV43U |
Case | Corsair 7000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Corsair Void Pro, Logitch Z523 5.1 |
Power Supply | Deepcool 1000M |
Mouse | Logitech g7 gaming mouse |
Keyboard | Logitech G510 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64 Steam. GOG, Uplay, Origin |
Benchmark Scores | Firestrike: 46183 Time Spy: 25121 |
The issue is the USB 4.0 introduction. AMD should not listen to the narrative as USB 4.0 is not really necessary for most Desktop users.Yup. I was actually looking forward to replacing my degraded Intel trash with an AMD Zen 5 system but it is more and more likely that this simply won't happen. All of these ASUS boards are sorely disappointing. I'm not going to plan a build around any of these boards. That's for sure.
I was gonna give Intel a hard pass as a lecture over the RPL fiasco but it is increasingly likely that I will consider an Arrow Lake build due to AMD's major disappointments. AMD had a free penalty without goalie and still fucked it up.
If Arrow Lake and/or Z890 turn up any unexpected negative surprises then I might still be forced to go with AMD and if that were the case then I'd buy a good old ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-A with a 7800X3D or 9800X3D CPU. These new boards are out of the question.
They really done fucked it up big time. Way too many compromises and lane sharing shenanigans going on with X870(E). Wish they would have shifted around some stuff or maybe dropped some features (SATA) to bring out a worthy no compromises successor to the ROG STRIX 670E-A but apparently AMD is really trying their best to avoid taking any money this generation.