ASUS Launches AMD X870E and X870 Chipset Motherboards Across its Motherboard Brands

[hoxlund14]

Just a heads up. Only one of these x870 boards listed has 10gb LAN. The Pro-art model.

And if you populate all m.2 slots, the main primary pci-e slot bumps down in speed. Might just stick with my MSI x670e MEG ACE.

 

[Metroid]

No camm2 versions, no money from me.

 

[chrcoluk]

I could find a basic page on proart but seems the marketing news story was more important than bringing up completed product pages. Board looks pretty small and looks like only 1 or 2 SATA ports although isnt really a picture provided at correct angle to tell for sure and no spec sheet.

This AMD platform largely seems all in on M.2 and GPU only systems.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Hopefully dead in a ditch somewhere. M-atx is a pretty pointless form factor as far as I’m concerned; you either go atx or itx these days. The better question is where’s the apex equivalent?

Gene is the closest thing Ryzen platforms get to the Apex, essential for memory overclocking. Won't be missed that much admittedly, given 9K shares the same limits of 7K and the Gene itself was only needed for the most extreme of setups (unlike on Intel where the Apex is a significant amount ahead of other boards, including the likes of the Extreme, Dark Hero and Formula)

No camm2 versions, no money from me.

CAMM would be the single most useless thing on an AMD platform right now. The memory controller just can't handle it.

 

[jonup]

Where is X870E Gene?

Right here:

 

[Tigerfox]

No camm2 versions, no money from me.

And the benefits would be? certainly not higher memory speed, let alone real life performance gains.

 

[pashka622k]

Right here:
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It is not gene, it is strix x870-i mini-itx.

 

[rv8000]

Gene is the closest thing Ryzen platforms get to the Apex, essential for memory overclocking. Won't be missed that much admittedly, given 9K shares the same limits of 7K and the Gene itself was only needed for the most extreme of setups (unlike on Intel where the Apex is a significant amount ahead of other boards, including the likes of the Extreme, Dark Hero and Formula)



CAMM would be the single most useless thing on an AMD platform right now. The memory controller just can't handle it.

For the sake of having 2 dimm slots sure, but matx is a compromised form factor; largely pointless. I’d rather not cut i/o and features on a board thats going to be as or more expensive as the hero. Why pay for a gene when the ASRock HDV can get you 95% of the way there for memory overclocking at 1/5th price anyways.

CAMM will remain pointless for desktop until 50 years in the future when they can finally decide on a standard layout. Not to mention all proof of concept modules ive seen have been at horrendously loose timings and low voltages. Can’t imagine cooling CAMM modules that have ICs sandwiched in air deadspace either and the second you start pushing more than 1.5v to actually get to overclocked frequencies that matter.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Just a heads up. Only one of these x870 boards listed has 10gb LAN. The Pro-art model.

And if you populate all m.2 slots, the main primary pci-e slot bumps down in speed. Might just stick with my MSI x670e MEG ACE.

I would! I might pick up an Aorus X670E Extreme to replace my X670E Master once these 800 series chipset boards drop. I'm hoping the 600 series boards will drop in price after that.

 

[TheLostSwede]

they lack USB PD so you can't drive a monitor with only one cable.

So far only portable monitors can be powered by USB, so this is hardly a big issue.

 

[Yashyyyk]

So far only portable monitors can be powered by USB, so this is hardly a big issue.

I think the idea is that you could do a ITX PC with a portable monitor with only one outlet

 

[_roman_]

As I predicted, the forced addition of USB4 via 4 PCIe-lanes of the CPU, the exclusion of a two-chip-solution without USB4 (formerly X670) and the will to offer as many M.2 as possible leads to boards with absurd lane sharing an very few PCIe-slots, thus low flexibilty. Of course, why should they add a DP-In or USB PD to all these USB4-ports. Gods beware that they actually make them as usefull as possible.

I feel better now about my Prime X670E-Pro WiFi, having two Gen4x4-slots from chipset, unshared, two M.2-slots from CPU unshared (sadly, only one Gen5), 4xSATA and at least a Gen3x4 or x2 M.2-slot that can be used to add another 6xSATA.

I looked into the specs a few weeks ago.

My ASUS X670-P Prime Mainboard. I bought it on purpose without PCIE 5.0 on the gpu slot. I added the wifi module myself later.

Alreaedy in the handbook is the add in card pictured.
There is a 100€ USB4 add in card available. I see the benefit in more than 80Watt charging power on one usb 4.0 port.

That add in card changes my mainboard to the 800 chip standard. Recent bios unlocked those USB4 options. I do not care for pcie 5.0 on the gpu slot.

The benefit, my mainboard is more flexible. On 800 series Mainboards they waste those lanes with soldered on USB40. Regardless if you need it or not.

I prefer the add in way. I can change my wifi, which I did. I can change the add in cards.

I determined that I will not need PCIE 5.0 and USB 4.0. Both add in cards or external devices costs over 100€ a piece. Which makes it very nonsense.
Even USB 3.2 external cases costs around 50€ which makes it kinda not worth buying yet.

1) why so butthurt? Aside from tax their boards are pretty good

My ASUS X670-P Prime can not boot from every USB port. Last two bios the usb keyboard is not everytime recognized on a cold or warm boot.
Malware is being installed - Asus Armory Crate is on by default - which installs malware - proven fact

Late UEFI updates for that particular board - see update list.
Late uefi updates for that particular board - although several security holes were known to the public.

Connectors are not very well glued on the printec circuit board while removing usb cable from the case.

No debug leds on the mainboard - mostly any other board has those. But stupid RGB controller and LAN controller

Only to name what got to my mind instantly. There are more issues.

Last two uefi version regularly hang during warm and cold boot. Using the reset button instantly boots the board. I also sometimes wait and go for a meal. The mainboard is still stuck in the boot process. Reset button instantly initialize the proper boot process. Regardless if you wait 1 or 5 or 10 minutes. ~8-10 seconds after I press the reset button the board boots when it is in the faulty cold or warm boot state. Bug since I have that mainboard over different UEFI versions.

pretty good means most likey the board looks pretty. right? sarcasm**

I had it for sale for over 3 months a few months ago. Hardly anyone asked for a price or started a chat to inquirty about it. So ASUS is in my area well known for it bad quality in my point of view.

A shame 5GbE is reserved for ROG Hero and ROG Strix X870E-E.

I prefer mainboard without garbage.

Soldered wifi with defects / lan with low speed and such.

RGB controller.

 

[LittleBro]

Wtf ASUS? https://edgeup.asus.com/2024/x870-x870e-motherboard-guide-amd-ryzen-9000-series/
Not even one usable X870 board for my purposes. Why so many M.2 slots? What gamer needs 4-5 M.2 slots?
I'd understand having CPU lanes for GPU split into 2x PCIe Gen5 x8, so that you can use bifurcation for SSD RAID purposes.

I require 1x PCIe 5.0 x16 (CPU-bound), 2x M.2 PCIe 4.0/5.0 x4 (CPU-bound), 1x PCIe 3.0 x4 (chipset-bound), 1x PCIe 3.0 x1 (chipset-bound), 1x M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 (chipset-bound).
That's 3 regular PCIe slots - for GPU, soundcard, one spare PCIe x4 for any purpose (e.g. network card) - I'm asking for. Is that too much to ask?
You can convert PCIe x1/x4/x8/x16 using adaptor to make it work with M.2 SSDs but you can't do the opposite.

Even Prime' X870-P second PCIe chipset-bound port is bandwidth-shared with M.2_3 slot (occuping one slot disables the other).

EDIT: They wasted 4 PCIe 5.0 lanes from CPU ... only one M.2 port is connected to CPU, other 3 M.2s are connected to the chipset. Incredible.
Previous generation was done properly.

Specs of released boards:

PRIME X870-P｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global

ASUS PRIME X870-P is an AMD X870 (Ryzen AM5) motherboard with Advanced AI ready, PCIe 5.0 storage support, four M.2 slots, DDR5 slots, dual USB 40Gbps, PCIe Slot Q-Release.

www.asus.com

PRIME X870-P WIFI｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global

ASUS PRIME X870-P WIFI is an AMD X870 (Ryzen AM5) motherboard with Advanced AI ready, PCIe 5.0 storage support, four M.2 slots, DDR5 slots, dual USB 40Gbps, WiFi 7, WiFi Q-Antenna, PCIe Slot Q-Release

www.asus.com

TUF GAMING X870-PLUS WIFI｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global

ASUS TUF GAMING X870-PLUS WIFI is an Advanced AI PC ready ATX motherboard with 16+2+1 power stages, DDR5, PCIe 5.0 Ready, four M.2 slots, Wi-Fi 7, Realtek 2.5Gb Ethernet, USB4® (40Gbps) Type-C®, BIOS

www.asus.com

ProArt X870E-Creator WiFi｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global

ProArt X870E-Creator WiFi is an AMD X870E Ryzen AM5 ATX content creation motherboard with PCIe® 5.0, DDR5 support, dual USB4®, 10 Gb & 2.5 Gb Ethernet, WiFi 7,

www.asus.com

ROG STRIX X870E-E GAMING WIFI | Gaming motherboards｜ROG - Republic of Gamers｜ROG Global

The ROG Strix X870E-E Gaming WiFi elevates builds with 18 power stages, DDR5 slots and extensive PCIe 5.0 connectivity. It features five M.2 SSD slots with heatsinks, USB4® support, WiFi 7, AI Overclo

rog.asus.com

ROG STRIX X870-I GAMING WIFI | Gaming motherboards｜ROG - Republic of Gamers｜ROG Global

The ROG Strix X870-I Gaming WiFi packs a punch with 10-stage power, hyperspeed DDR5 slots and PCIe® 5.0 connectivity. It features two M.2 SSD slots with heatsin

rog.asus.com

ROG STRIX X870-F GAMING WIFI | Gaming motherboards｜ROG - Republic of Gamers｜ROG Global

The ROG Strix X870-F Gaming WiFi brings potent 16-stage power, hyperspeed DDR5 slots and PCIe® 5.0 connectivity. It features four M.2 SSD slots with heatsinks, USB4® support, WiFi 7, AI Overclocking,

rog.asus.com

 

[Tomorrow]

Hopefully dead in a ditch somewhere. M-atx is a pretty pointless form factor as far as I’m concerned; you either go atx or itx these days. The better question is where’s the apex equivalent?

Unless you want a two DIMM board that fits more than two M.2. Then you literally have no choice unless someone finally releases ATX sized two DIMM board for memory OC.

Only apex equivalent I know is b650e aorus tachyon but in EU/US is unobtainable. I hope X870 aorus tachyon would be available.

It was always vaporware. I too hope the X870 Tachyon will be broadly available, even if it only comes in white...

Hmm, all other big players on home desktop motherboards market go to support 256GB RAM include with it's older series. Only Asus stuck on 192GB. Why?

No they do not. For some reason only MSI seems to be supporting up to 256GB on AM5. I say "for some reason" because there are no 64GB UDIMM's available yet. The highest is 48GB and 4x48 is 192 that everyone supports. 64GB RDIMM's exist but they are not compatible with UDIMM boards so this 256GB support on MSI boards is currently wasted.

Why no two memory slot option for better memory overclocking?

God forbid, that would be too hard to engineer. /s

Gene is the closest thing Ryzen platforms get to the Apex, essential for memory overclocking. Won't be missed that much admittedly, given 9K shares the same limits of 7K and the Gene itself was only needed for the most extreme of setups (unlike on Intel where the Apex is a significant amount ahead of other boards, including the likes of the Extreme, Dark Hero and Formula)

Yep and that is why wee need Tachyon, Unify etc.

CAMM would be the single most useless thing on an AMD platform right now. The memory controller just can't handle it.

Not even lower timings at 6000-6400? I doubt that.

And the benefits would be? certainly not higher memory speed, let alone real life performance gains.

Better CPU cooler compatibility with large HSF's like D-15. Higher capacity per module. Easier to cool. These came to mind first.

Why pay for a gene when the ASRock HDV can get you 95% of the way there for memory overclocking at 1/5th price anyways.

If you mean ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 then i would not even consider a board without appropriate buttons for memory OC where black screens and other issues are frequent. Unless i want to go crazy and thrown into insane asylum.

CAMM will remain pointless for desktop until 50 years in the future when they can finally decide on a standard layout. Not to mention all proof of concept modules ive seen have been at horrendously loose timings and low voltages. Can’t imagine cooling CAMM modules that have ICs sandwiched in air deadspace either and the second you start pushing more than 1.5v to actually get to overclocked frequencies that matter.

We'll see. Im pretty optimistic about CAMM2 for desktop. Not for every use case and form factor tho.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Not even lower timings at 6000-6400? I doubt that.

Timings can only go so low - 6000 CL28 is about as fast as DDR5 gets on socket AM5 right now. I do not think CAMM would change this significantly, the issue is the CPU IOD, not the DIMM form factor. CAMM will likely be needed as we approach the 10000 MT/s+ era

 

[TumbleGeorge]

No they do not. For some reason only MSI seems to be supporting up to 256GB on AM5

Just make new check. In specifications on product pages

 

[Assimilator]

I would love to know what AMD was smoking when they decided to artificially segment Zen 4+ for mainstream to less than 32 PCIe lanes. It was barely sufficient for Zen 4, it's very obviously not enough for Zen 5, and by the time Zen 6 comes around it will just look pathetic. This is the flipside of keeping a socket around forever: if you don't design the first product using that socket to have all the expansion you expect future products to need, then those future products are constrained by that first one.

Hopefully AMD will get smart with Zen 6 and drop a new IOD (and socket) that gives us a sane number of PCIe lanes (i.e. more than 32), but given how focused they now are in forcing consumers to HEDT for features that should be mainstream, I'm doubtful.

 

[Tomorrow]

Just make new check. In specifications on product pages

I checked Geizhals.de. Unless their info is old/outdated. And even if is - care to link where you can buy 64GB UDIMM's?
Support that you cant use is pointless without the modules.

I would love to know what AMD was smoking when they decided to artificially segment Zen 4+ for mainstream to less than 32 PCIe lanes. It was barely sufficient for Zen 4, it's very obviously not enough for Zen 5, and by the time Zen 6 comes around it will just look pathetic. This is the flipside of keeping a socket around forever: if you don't design the first product using that socket to have all the expansion you expect future products to need, then those future products are constrained by that first one.

Hopefully AMD will get smart with Zen 6 and drop a new IOD (and socket) that gives us a sane number of PCIe lanes (i.e. more than 32), but given how focused they now are forcing consumers to HEDT for features that should be mainstream, I'm doubtful.

What would be the point of those extra lanes if the primary PCIe stays x16 and we are at the limit of how many x4 M.2's can be installed on mainstream boards?
GPU's dont even saturate current 16 lanes and SSD's while using 4 lanes are pushing largely useless sequential numbers.

Secondary PCIe slots have pretty much died out due to not much need for add-on cards. Most of the functionality previously provided by those cards is now provided by the motherboard itself such as advanced audio or fast networking. Unless we're talking about 25G+ SPF, hardware RAID cards or something similar, but people buying such expensive cards can most likely afford Threadripper already anyway.

 

[rv8000]

Unless you want a two DIMM board that fits more than two M.2. Then you literally have no choice unless someone finally releases ATX sized two DIMM board for memory OC.

It was always vaporware. I too hope the X870 Tachyon will be broadly available, even if it only comes in white...

No they do not. For some reason only MSI seems to be supporting up to 256GB on AM5. I say "for some reason" because there are no 64GB UDIMM's available yet. The highest is 48GB and 4x48 is 192 that everyone supports. 64GB RDIMM's exist but they are not compatible with UDIMM boards so this 256GB support on MSI boards is currently wasted.

God forbid, that would be too hard to engineer. /s

Yep and that is why wee need Tachyon, Unify etc.

Not even lower timings at 6000-6400? I doubt that.

Better CPU cooler compatibility with large HSF's like D-15. Higher capacity per module. Easier to cool. These came to mind first.

If you mean ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 then i would not even consider a board without appropriate buttons for memory OC where black screens and other issues are frequent. Unless i want to go crazy and thrown into insane asylum.

We'll see. Im pretty optimistic about CAMM2 for desktop. Not for every use case and form factor tho.

I mean that’s kind of the point, the second you go with a gene you cut out m.2 and i/o and the entire board layout gets cramped for zero benefit. I’m not sure why manf. waste that kind of design effort at such a high price point when an atx APEX would be better in every respec; also everyone generally picks full atx builds or itx nowadays.

There’s nothing exceptionally bad about the HDV if you want a cheap/fun board to push mem clocks in 2:1 on AM5. I had LED post codes, bios reset etc… on my b650e strix and it was still a nightmare on failed memory oc recoveries. Memory overclocking is tedious no matter what.

CAMM offers zero benefit in the immediate future for desktop usage. It’ll only serve to split standards and raise development costs while board makers make multiple variants of the same board, with the cost being passed on to the consumer. Unless Arrowlake IMC can handle well above DDR5 8000 at tolerable 24/7 voltages with relatively good timings, higher frequencies will be off the table for some time.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

I checked Geizhals.de

Don't worry.
There are produced. It's are apparently expected to accompany the release of other new hardware to go on sale alongside. Perhaps, as is the tradition, the start of a new generation, or even a new platform. So, probably with Intel Arrow lake, and LGA 1851 in October. And maybe a little earlier with the start of sales of the 800 series motherboards with an AM5 slot. We'll see, but I'm sure there will be offers this year.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Need a release date and pricing info.

 

[RogueSix]

As I predicted, the forced addition of USB4 via 4 PCIe-lanes of the CPU, the exclusion of a two-chip-solution without USB4 (formerly X670) and the will to offer as many M.2 as possible leads to boards with absurd lane sharing

Yup. I was actually looking forward to replacing my degraded Intel trash with an AMD Zen 5 system but it is more and more likely that this simply won't happen. All of these ASUS boards are sorely disappointing. I'm not going to plan a build around any of these boards. That's for sure.

I was gonna give Intel a hard pass as a lecture over the RPL fiasco but it is increasingly likely that I will consider an Arrow Lake build due to AMD's major disappointments. AMD had a free penalty without goalie and still fucked it up.

If Arrow Lake and/or Z890 turn up any unexpected negative surprises then I might still be forced to go with AMD and if that were the case then I'd buy a good old ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-A with a 7800X3D or 9800X3D CPU. These new boards are out of the question.

They really done fucked it up big time. Way too many compromises and lane sharing shenanigans going on with X870(E). Wish they would have shifted around some stuff or maybe dropped some features (SATA) to bring out a worthy no compromises successor to the ROG STRIX 670E-A but apparently AMD is really trying their best to avoid taking any money this generation.

 

[kapone32]

Yup. I was actually looking forward to replacing my degraded Intel trash with an AMD Zen 5 system but it is more and more likely that this simply won't happen. All of these ASUS boards are sorely disappointing. I'm not going to plan a build around any of these boards. That's for sure.

I was gonna give Intel a hard pass as a lecture over the RPL fiasco but it is increasingly likely that I will consider an Arrow Lake build due to AMD's major disappointments. AMD had a free penalty without goalie and still fucked it up.

If Arrow Lake and/or Z890 turn up any unexpected negative surprises then I might still be forced to go with AMD and if that were the case then I'd buy a good old ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-A with a 7800X3D or 9800X3D CPU. These new boards are out of the question.

They really done fucked it up big time. Way too many compromises and lane sharing shenanigans going on with X870(E). Wish they would have shifted around some stuff or maybe dropped some features (SATA) to bring out a worthy no compromises successor to the ROG STRIX 670E-A but apparently AMD is really trying their best to avoid taking any money this generation.

The issue is the USB 4.0 introduction. AMD should not listen to the narrative as USB 4.0 is not really necessary for most Desktop users.