AMD Ryzen 9000 Series "Zen 5" Tested on Windows 11 24H2 Update, Shows Significant Performance Gains

[SL2]

That was fast.

I see 22H2 as well.

Microsoft Update Catalog

 

[mechtech]

How does it compare to W10?

 

[Haytham]

 

[N/A]

I hope Win10 will get a similar update... And I wonder how it affects performance in applications.

W10 also got the branch prediction update.

 

[LabRat 891]

W10 also got the branch prediction update.

Oh? Last info on that was 'discussions about back porting to 10', according to PCWorld.
A link to the KB would be much appreciated.

 

[mkppo]

W10 also got the branch prediction update.

Wait for real? Is it a specific update? Can you kindly send a link please. Thanks!

 

[N/A]

People are talking. It's optional. I don't have it yet. maybe it's CPU dependant. At first I thought it was just a CPU driver update, but that 800MB is a complete overhaul.

 

[Crackong]

Zen5 is still a flop and still Zen 4.1

It is Zen 4.512
Zen4 + AVX512 patch

 

[AusWolf]

I know it must really annoy Intel fans, but the undeniable fact is that in a duopoly, the best situation for consumers is a 50%/50% split in marketshare. This just so happens to mean that at present, AMD capturing marketshare from Intel is OBJECTIVELY beneficial to ALL consumers, Intel fans included, with the inverse being bad for consumers.

Why would a smaller, and a much larger and wealthier company ever have 50/50 market share? That doesn't make a lick of sense to me. It's like saying that your burger van on the corner of the street and McDonald's should have 50/50 market share just because you both sell burgers. Ehm, no?

If they showed that then people might realize any CPU will do for pretty much any modern gaming use case. Bar the people spending thousands for huge fps at 1080p and below.

Exactly!

So people, stop bickering about senseless percentage crap, and carry on gaming with whatever you have and whatever OS you're on!

 

[Minus Infinity]

Hardware Unboxed did a Windows 10 vs Windows 11 test a few weeks ago. Windows 10 already had an edge in performance over Windows 11.

But now 23H2 has had the branch prediction optimisations released too. So Win 11 might be much faster in many games.

 

[Icon Charlie]

Key information missing: Windows 7 does not run on modern computers such as these

My 1800X runs on Win7, I think I can get it to run on current generation. When I have time that is.

When there is a will... there is a way...

 

[LabRat 891]

My 1800X runs on Win7, I think I can get it to run on current generation. When I have time that is.

When there is a will... there is a way...

I have a R5 3600 / R5 4600G (it's had both) +A320M-K on WIn7x64Pro.

After 3/4000series there's some workarounds to get 7 working, iirc.

 

[watzupken]

The update will be mostly beneficial in games where it is not GPU bound. But I think it is a fantastic free performance bump, especially for mobile and PC console gamers.

Though I cannot help but feel that Intel may have something to do with such optimization being missed from AMD chips for many years. Especially after they announced the marketing budget cuts, then all of a sudden, Microsoft is rolling out this update. It may be a coincidence, but Intel's practices to secure their position is not new.

 

[R0H1T]

That's highly unlikely given MS probably deals/buys(?) more AMD chips than ever. And MS is much bigger than AMD or Intel atm.

 

[AusWolf]

The update will be mostly beneficial in games where it is not GPU bound. But I think it is a fantastic free performance bump, especially for mobile and PC console gamers.

Though I cannot help but feel that Intel may have something to do with such optimization being missed from AMD chips for many years. Especially after they announced the marketing budget cuts, then all of a sudden, Microsoft is rolling out this update. It may be a coincidence, but Intel's practices to secure their position is not new.

Is it an AMD optimisation, though? No one has tested it on Intel, yet, as far as I know.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Oh? Last info on that was 'discussions about back porting to 10', according to PCWorld.
A link to the KB would be much appreciated.

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB5041587

Here ya go

 

[shadad]

you do realize that video you post is like 2 weeks ago and before this patch/ update right?

 

[Wirko]

You are making three assumptions here actually. The first being that AMD does actually get to write it's own "CPU driver". The second being that it doesn't also apply to Zen 3. The third being that AMD did nothing to try and address scheduler issues. Even if AMD was aware of the issue, they would not be able to make a public statement about it because they heavily rely on Microsoft for the sale of their CPUs. In that instance Zen 5 might be a blessing is disguise as the public can call out microsoft for something that should never have been acceptable in the first place without AMD having to risk peeving off MS. This is one of the downsides of X86 being ruled by one company same as GPUs being ruled by Nvidia.

I can't say anything about Zen 3 here. But regarding Zen 4, you're also making a bold assumption here: that AMD was blocked from getting their fixes into Windows updates for two years. I'll counter that and say AMD did far too little, and also say that it's not in MS's best interest to block them. The reason, at the very least, is Epyc. MS can't ignore Epyc's constantly growing market share. Remember, 2025 will be the year of the first person fired for buying Intel (and that will be Intel in server racks, not office PCs).

As for who writes the "CPU driver", or scheduler module - I don't know how task schedulers are made modular but there must be optimisations for each CPU architecture, isolated from other architectures. MS can't do it well even if given a tray of ES CPUs and some documentation from AMD - there are just too many unknowns. AMD can do it half-well if given insider Windows and some documentation from MS. A joint team of development and testing engineers could do their job perfectly but not in the real world of NDAs, anti-compete clauses, antitrust laws, different management styles, manager egos, interference from marketing people, heat waves, and etc. So the result is as imperfect as humans are, anywhere between half-assed and decent. At least it improves slowly over time.

 

[Godrilla]

4/2023 7800X3D is going to age like fine wine. PBO, SMT off in some titles and now windows updates to improve over vanilla performance. Oh wait that was Zen5 marketing strategy.

Can the cpu hierarchy charts be updated?
No pressure.

 

[schwaggins]

i wonder if this update also boosts am4 processors? like the mighty 5800x3d

Apparently it does, 5000, 7000 & 9000 series will see an improvement according to the video

 

[Hyderz]

Apparently it does, 5000, 7000 & 9000 series will see an improvement according to the video

Amd fans should arm your pitchforks at ms for holding back performance

 

[Godrilla]

Amd fans should arm your pitchforks at ms for holding back performance

Yeah WTF! Imagine the impact if on market without this mico-software bottleneck!

 

[Rabit]

Yeah WTF! Imagine the impact if on market without this mico-software bottleneck!

That one of driver that increased Linux user base + Proton improvement thanks to Valve.

Germans redone test some games get nice performance boosts :]

Optimierte Sprungvorhersage: Zen 5 mit Windows-Update KB5041587 getestet - Hardwareluxx

Optimierte Sprungvorhersage: Zen 5 mit Windows 11 24H2 getestet.

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[LabRat 891]

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB5041587

Here ya go

What?
That says it is for windows 11, not 10. Can the install be forced on 10, or something?

 

[FoulOnWhite]

What?
That says it is for windows 11, not 10. Can the install be forced on 10, or something?

Is there a win 10 version? sorry maybe i linked the wrong version or summat.

The one i linked is for 23H2 win 11 and adds the branch prediction update, without updating to 24H2 afaik , i cannot find a version of the brach predictor update for win 10, maybe it's not available yet.