Why everyone say Zen 5 is bad ?

[AVATARAT]

 

[las]

Zen 5 is not that bad, its just that 9700X especially is very powerlimited, going to 105W TDP, increases performance by 12-15% - should never have been a 65W part (7700X is 105W and 9700X performs 2% better at 65W limit)

There's much higher headroom on Zen 5 than Zen 4, just look at temperatures, AMD went for efficiency, but you can change that - OC is a thing with Zen 5

I expect 9800X3D to beat 7800X3D by ~15% due to higher clockspeeds, and it might be even more, as 9800X3D is unlocked for OC where 7800X3D is locked down and barely can be tweaked for 2% more performance, 3D cache is less fragile next time = higher clockspeeds

I will go 9800X3D or 285K next, maybe 265K if gaming perf is close to 285K

 

[Shakallia]

Well, that's cool, but once again, it does not change the performance improvement of Zen 5 over Zen 4, what it does is highlighting AMD's lacking internal testing and marketing practices.

Zen 5 is still overpriced for what it really brings to the table.

 

[Mr_Engineer]

It's great to see such a large performance gain (10%) for games just from a Windows update. This will improve the position of Zen 5 and Zen 4 CPUs against Intel CPUs.

But overall, if someone already owns a Zen 4 CPU it doesn't seem worth it to upgrade to Zen 5.

 

[lexluthermiester]

If Windows 1.0 have a spyware rating of 0, and Windows 11 have a spyware rating of 10, what rate would you give Windows 10? 7? 9?

Windows 10 = 9.5
Windows 8/8.1 = 9
Windows 7 = 5
Windows Vista = 5
Windows XP = 4.5
Windows 9X = 2
Windows 3.X = 0
Windows 2 = 0

To be fair, this ranking is after a fresh, default install of each. After customizing, debloating & tweaking, these numbers change for XP on. For 9X and older, they do not change.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Windows 10 = 9.5
Windows 8/8.1 = 9
Windows 7 = 5
Windows XP = 4.5
Windows 9X = 2
Windows 3.X = 0
Windows 2 = 0

You forgot Vista. But that's ok. I think most people want to forget Vista.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You forgot Vista. But that's ok. I think most people want to forget Vista.

Oops.. You're right. I actually liked it after SP1 and SP2 made it very solid. See edit.

 

[SL2]

I actually liked it after SP1 and SP2 made it very solid.

The difference between Vista SP2 and W7 is small, both works wery good.

W7 brought the insanely brilliant idea of using the same button in the task bar for opening a program, and switching to/from said program. It took them only over a decade to figure that out lol

 

[A Computer Guy]

Oops.. You're right. I actually liked it after SP1 and SP2 made it very solid. See edit.

I didn't mind it so much other than some initial compatibility issues with the dev software I used at the time.
It came with a BestBuy exclusive Toshiba i7 laptop with blueray player and 1 USB3 port although I did jump at the chance to upgrade it to Windows 7 once it came out.

 

[SL2]

What exactly does AMD gain from only letting Asus sell Zen5 laptops?

Did Asus really pay so much for the exclusivity that it was worthwhile? I find that hard to believe. Or was it just a matter of a lack of chips produced?

If AMD wants to gain laptop market shares, one brand at launch won't do IMO, seems counterintuitive.

 

[A Computer Guy]

What exactly does AMD gain from only letting Asus sell Zen5 laptops?

Did Asus really pay so much for the exclusivity that it was worthwhile? I find that hard to believe. Or was it just a matter of a lack of chips produced?

If AMD wants to gain laptop market shares, one brand at launch won't do IMO, seems counterintuitive.

If one wanted to take it a step further and run down the rabbit hole of conspiracy questions .... If Asus was collaborating with Intel for more favorable contracts, then would such a deal with AMD potentially limit the scope of Zen5 penetration into the market, thus constraining Intel's competition? Something Confucius probably didn't say: "Better to trap a fly with honey, than swat at it with a sword."

 

[DAPUNISHER]

To be fair, W10 sits right at my tolerance level. I know it takes anonymous data from me, but W11 goes too far by needing an online login, and I can't be asked to bother with custom installers and modified versions. I'd rather just swap over to Linux.

I need to effort getting all my game launchers working with a distro. That has been my biggest hold up for a full switch. That, and I will miss game pass, it more than pays for itself in my case.

Until then, just stoked Zen 3 and up are getting more gaming performance with the update. Zen 5 just isn't interesting at the current pricing. If the patch only helped it, there might have been more sales traction.

 

[SL2]

If one wanted to take it a step further and run down the rabbit hole of conspiracy questions .... If Asus was collaborating with Intel for more favorable contracts, then would such a deal with AMD potentially limit the scope of Zen5 penetration into the market, thus constraining Intel's competition?

Yeah, no, that doesn't answer the question lol

It's not hard to see what Asus (or even Intel) would gain from it, but I specifically asked about AMD's reasons.

 

[LittleBro]

Tech YES channel managed to record dramatic FPS differences between Win10 and Win11 even with Ryzen fix:

 

[AVATARAT]

Tech tubers need a little more time/searching and will eventually find a little more settings that reduce the 9000 series performance.
The ones that don't have problems are overclockers who set up their Windows in a specific way
The cool thing about all this news/noises is that AMD is going to fix some things in AGESA, and M$ is going to play around a bit with Windows default Settings, and that's cool.

 

[Apocalypsee]

This is great news for 9000 owner

AMD Ryzen 9000 inter-core latency significantly reduced with new AGESA 1202 - VideoCardz.com

Intercore latency Ryzen 9000 issue has been reportedly resolved with new AGESA Latency has dropped from 180 ns to 75 ns. One of the issues with the Ryzen 9000 series, as discovered by reviewers, was the relatively high latency between cores. Up until AGESA 1.2.0.1, the latency was measured at...

videocardz.com

 

[chrcoluk]

Interesting to learn Microsoft have now disabled MI by default in latest Win11 builds.

I am still waiting for someone in the review industry though to do this testing on Intel as well (23h2 vs 24h2) so we get a even clearer picture.

 

[SL2]

I am still waiting for someone in the review industry though to do this testing on Intel as well (23h2 vs 24h2) so we get a even clearer picture.

Here.

 

[RUSerious]

Really nice increase for the first 5 games listed, otherwise pretty much meh. Better than nothing I suppose.

 

[GoldenX]

Zen5 is fine, too expensive compared to retail prices of Zen4.

The disgrace is the B840 chipset. Whoever pitched that should be fired and banned from the hardware industry for life.

 

[iameatingjam]

The disgrace is the B840 chipset. Whoever pitched that should be fired and banned from the hardware industry for life.

Whats the deal with that? I did a quick google search.... is it the lack of overclocking.... or lack pcie 5? (Or is there? I saw contradictory info on this point)

EDIT: Oh shit... is this true? pcie 3?

 

[igormp]

Whats the deal with that? I did a quick google search.... is it the lack of overclocking.... or lack pcie 5? (Or is there? I saw contradictory info on this point)

EDIT: Oh shit... is this true? pcie 3?

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Seems like they just rebranded their previous a320/a520/a620.

I believe that Gen 3 PCIe is for the chipset lanes, while the main x16 slot runs at 4.0 (similar to how it already is with a620 motherboards).

 

[iameatingjam]

Seems like they just rebranded their previous a320/a520/a620.

I believe that Gen 3 PCIe is for the chipset lanes, while the main x16 slot runs at 4.0 (similar to how it already is with a620 motherboards).

Oh I see. So that means they could have one pcie 4 m.2 slot too.... right? Guess it depends on price, but that doesn't sound so bad.

 

[igormp]

Oh I see. So that means they could have one pcie 4 m.2 slot too.... right? Guess it depends on price, but that doesn't sound so bad.

The one coming from the CPU, yeah. I'm not sure if those cheaper motherboards have any extra slots tho.

 

[GoldenX]

It's a complete downgrade over A620. And it will cost the same or more, as usual with AMD post Zen3.