AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

[AusWolf]

Not everyone games at 4k for one even those with 4090s me included. Plenty of people play only simulation style games or games that hit the cpu pretty hard which most the games I play do....

Also there is the esports crowd the one I build 90% of the computers I do for who will pay for the best and then proceed to drop the settings to medium or lower on a 360/480hz monitor and want to see a stable high framerate.

That's irreverent though because yours and my use case doesn't really matter the consumer who reads this review and decides to buy or not buy this is all that matters

I did say in this thread I believe but definitely in a 9800X3D article that the 7600 is already good enough for 99% of users although people act like it's slow AF by today's standards.

I'll probably pick one up early next year for testing regardless becuase local hands on is always better than a bunch of 1-2m benchmarks in a random area of the game






I think the majority of 4090 owners already see cpu limits in a lot of games even with 7000X3D cpus I know I do more so at 1440p UW but also at 4k in multiple titles but that's just for my use case everyone games different.

5090 is gonna do that in a lot more games currently the 7800X3D isn't worth buying anymore and in most scenarios Intel ultra is too slow leaving just this for that 1% of the market lol.

I think the 7800X3D would still be worth to buy after a price drop. It's not a slow CPU by any means. This is my argument for anyone with an insatiable upgrade itch (myself included): just because a new CPU has come out, it doesn't mean that yours suddenly became worthless.

I admit, I am tempted to get a 9800X3D purely for the 100% stable clocks across all scenarios, but I'm still on a 6750 XT, so waiting out and then saving up for RDNA 4 is much better use of my money. So I think I'll sit out this one and maybe get a Zen 6 X3D. Maybe. We'll see.

 

[Marcus L]

That would be an interesting scenario to test. It's a shame I've given up on buying hardware purely for science (but I do accept donations).


Low resolution tests are done to simulate what you can expect if you keep the CPU for a long time and go through a few GPU upgrades with it. Lots of people don't get it and rush out to buy "the best gaming CPU" with a midrange graphics card or 4K monitor.

Like the 5800x3D almost 3 years later and only 2% slower in general than the 9800x3D @4k?

Not everyone games at 4k for one even those with 4090s me included. Plenty of people play only simulation style games or games that hit the cpu pretty hard which most the games I play do....

Also there is the esports crowd the one I build 90% of the computers I do for who will pay for the best and then proceed to drop the settings to medium or lower on a 360/480hz monitor and want to see a stable high framerate.

That's irreverent though because yours and my use case doesn't really matter the consumer who reads this review and decides to buy or not buy this is all that matters

I did say in this thread I believe but definitely in a 9800X3D article that the 7600 is already good enough for 99% of users although people act like it's slow AF by today's standards.

I'll probably pick one up early next year for testing regardless becuase local hands on is always better than a bunch of 1-2m benchmarks in a random area of the game






I think the majority of 4090 owners already see cpu limits in a lot of games even with 7000X3D cpus I know I do more so at 1440p UW but also at 4k in multiple titles but that's just for my use case everyone games different.

5090 is gonna do that in a lot more games currently the 7800X3D isn't worth buying anymore and in most scenarios Intel ultra is too slow leaving just this for that 1% of the market lol.

Please, tell me you're spending 2k+ for GPU and CPU and gaming at 1080p? no cause you said you're playing at 1440p even then you are talking about going from an average of 140+ FPS to 160FPS, look I get it, I'm an enthusiast, or at least I like to think of myself as a budget one, it is nice to get the "best", but the greater scenario if you have a 7800x3D and 4090 class GPU you are going to be have a nice shiny OLED 4K monitor as well, 1440P as minimum, so my comment stands, it's diminishing returns when you get down to top end GPU, CPU and monitor, don't get me wrong, it's a great CPU for gaming, though in general so are the other 10-15 under it

 

[ManofGod]

Not my point, just this whole fastest gaming CPU moniker that is thrown about every new gen, this is no faster give or take than the 7800x3d or 10-15 other CPU's when tested at 4k with a 4090, no one is buying this to play at 720p or 1080p or with a middle of the road GPU, yes it gets 1-3FPS better than the next 10 CPU's in the 4k list, it's a nothing burger but still people will buy and pay more for with their 4090 or 5090 when released for epeen value, nothing else, most CPUS from the last 3 years can drive a 4090 @4k as you are GPU limited, people just like to have the latest and greatest when in fact it's good CPU and yes miles ahead (AT 720p/1080p!!!) move up to 1440p or 4K and you could literally buy a Ryzen 7600 or 12700k and anything in between and be within 3% difference

Then run yourself a i7-2600K, you should be good for life..

 

[sector-z]

Dam after readed many ithers review, it sad that yours was not able to be stable with 8000MHz ram & OC, here from french website review 9800X3D 5500MHz + DD5 8000MHz CL32 !!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Like the 5800x3D almost 3 years later and only 2% slower in general than the 9800x3D @4k?



Please, tell me you're spending 2k+ for GPU and CPU and gaming at 1080p? no cause you said you're playing at 1440p even then you are talking about going from an average of 140+ FPS to 160FPS, look I get it, I'm an enthusiast, or at least I like to think of myself as a budget one, it is nice to get the "best", but the greater scenario if you have a 7800x3D and 4090 class GPU you are going to be have a nice shiny OLED 4K monitor as well, 1440P as minimum, so my comment stands, it's diminishing returns when you get down to top end GPU, CPU and monitor, don't get me wrong, it's a great CPU for gaming, though in general so are the other 10-15 under it

A big part of the reaction to this cpu has to do with how bad it's been this year vanilla zen 5 offered almost nothing over what we've had for 2 years and Arrowlake went backwards this is the first launch that actually took a step forward in 18 months so for anyone who actually cares about fps and is building in 2024/25 this is basically the option by default unless the 7800X3D drops in price. I don't think anyone trust 14th generation and 200 series is a mess currently requiring expensive memory just to still lose to this....

Also the 9950X3D could be what my 7950X3D should have been which is cool.

People buying 4090/4080/5090/5080 don't care about value so a 7600 being ok is irrelevant. I have one it's a pretty great cpu and what I'd recommend to 95% of people though.

 

[Marcus L]

A big part of the reaction to this cpu has to do with how bad it's been this year vanilla zen 5 offered almost nothing over what we've had for 2 years and Arrowlake went backwards this is the first launch that actually took a step forward in 18 months so for anyone who actually cares about fps and is building in 2024/25 this is basically the option by default unless the 7800X3D drops in price. I don't think anyone trust 14th generation and 200 series is a mess currently requiring expensive memory just to still lose to this....

Also the 9950X3D could be what my 7950X3D should have been which is cool.

People buying 4090/4080/5090/5080 don't care about value so a 7600 being ok is irrelevant. I have one it's a pretty great cpu and what I'd recommend to 95% of people though.

Well in actual productivity and effieciency it's around 8-15% better than 7000 series, not stellar to some people but definitely and improvement and more so in productivity than gaming which is what most people on TPU care about, look at the phoronix reviews to see what I mean, Windows is a resource hog and still can't handle CPU's with high core count+SMT/HT or P+E cores the way it should, I have gone back to Win10 for this and all the AI/telemetry BS they are starting to bloat Win11 with when it was already bloated! I will go fully Linux at some point but I digress!

You miss my point, a 7600 is not just "ok" but is within the 2-3% range of the 9800x3D and 7800x3D when paired with the highest end GPU a 4090 at this moment in time, it's only when you got down to 1080p/720p the gap gets a lot wider, yes ppl who buy 4090s and 9800x3D don't care for "value" hence they are not running their games at 720/1080p, it is literally about having the "fastest"/most expensive which is bollocks IMO but hey ho

 

[tfdsaf]

Like the 5800x3D almost 3 years later and only 2% slower in general than the 9800x3D @4k?



Please, tell me you're spending 2k+ for GPU and CPU and gaming at 1080p? no cause you said you're playing at 1440p even then you are talking about going from an average of 140+ FPS to 160FPS, look I get it, I'm an enthusiast, or at least I like to think of myself as a budget one, it is nice to get the "best", but the greater scenario if you have a 7800x3D and 4090 class GPU you are going to be have a nice shiny OLED 4K monitor as well, 1440P as minimum, so my comment stands, it's diminishing returns when you get down to top end GPU, CPU and monitor, don't get me wrong, it's a great CPU for gaming, though in general so are the other 10-15 under it

That CPU will still be holding its own even 4 years down the line, look at the 5800x3d, almost 5 years in and its still holding its own against most new modern CPU's. So its not only fast now, which it is, it is also future proof, so in three years time you could pop in a RTX 6090 and still have top notch performance at 1440p or 4k without having to upgrade your cpu again!

Even 1080p at high refresh rates makes sense now, 5 years ago even 120hz monitors were $400+, let alone a `440p 165hz monitor they were usually $600+, now you have budget 1080p or 1440p monitors at $250 that have 180hz or more and are top of the line. So you can absolutely play fast paced games, esports games on a 4080 or a 4090 and get say 200fps and be able to utilize that through your fast monitor.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Well in actual productivity and effieciency it's around 8-15% better than 7000 series, not stellar to some people but definitely and improvement and more so in productivity than gaming which is what most people on TPU care about, look at the phoronix reviews to see what I mean, Windows is a resource hog and still can't handle CPU's with high core count+SMT/HT or P+E cores the way it should, I have gone back to Win10 for this and all the AI/telemetry BS they are starting to bloat Win11 with when it was already bloated! I will go fully Linux at some point but I digress!

You miss my point, a 7600 is not just "ok" but is within the 2-3% range of the 9800x3D and 7800x3D when paired with the highest end GPU a 4090 at this moment in time, it's only when you got down to 1080p/720p the gap gets a lot wider, yes ppl who buy 4090s and 9800x3D don't care for "value" hence they are not running their games at 720/1080p, it is literally about having the "fastest"/most expensive which is bollocks IMO but hey ho

Buy a 4090 and use a 7600 with it and see how happy you are even at 4k I'll wait.

 

[Marcus L]

5800x3d, almost 5 years in

Only 2.5 years! had to check this myself as it feels like it was released a time ago, but no, April 2022

 

[Aken Bosch]

What part of the gaming improvement can be explained only by higher frequency compared to 7800X3D?

All of them.

 

[Marcus L]

Buy a 4090 and use a 7600 with it and see how happy you are even at 4k I'll wait.

Send me the $ bro, I'm game, you are 100% GPU limited at 4k with a 4090 and 7600/9800x3D, or are you saying @W1zzard has been untruthful in his CPU and GPU reviews?

 

[Aken Bosch]

That CPU will still be holding its own even 4 years down the line, look at the 5800x3d, almost 5 years in etc.

As Marcus L posted, Apr 20, 2022.

 

[Marcus L]

Buy a 4090 and use a 7600 with it and see how happy you are even at 4k I'll wait.

You bought into the hype, you saw them 10-20% FPS differences at 720p and 1080p, if you game at these then you are cool, enjoy that x3D goodness, if you game at 4k there is no difference (practically) lol and you are 100% GPU limited

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Send me the $ bro, I'm game, you are 100% GPU limited at 4k with a 4090 and 7600/9800x3D, or are you saying @W1zzard has been untruthful in his CPU and GPU reviews?

I'm saying in almost every game I play I'm not seeing anywhere near 100% usage with a 4090 with any of the X3D chips doesn't mean he's wrong just that a 2m benchmark in a part of a game is equivalent to real life hands on with the hardware over hours and hours of gaming with the hardware....

If you don't actually own the hardware i understand how that can confuse someone

 

[Crackong]

R.I. Pieces Intel....

 

[harm9963]

I fail to see how 1-2% difference @4k compared to 7800x3d, 14900k, 14700k, 7800x3D, Core ultra etc makes any bit of difference to a consumers decision when looking for a "gaming" CPU, most people who own these CPU's and 4090's soon to be 5090's will not see any difference between the 10-20 fastest "gaming CPU's" at 4k resolution which when you are throwing $5-600 for a CPU and upto $2k for a GPU you are 100% going to be gaming at, 1080p there's a 10% difference, 720p it's 15-20% but no one in their right mind is running those resolutions who buy these so the "fastest gaming CPU in the world" tag is a bit of misnomer, as things stand at 4k you are always GPU limited, so 12700k-14900, Core Ultra 245-285, Ryzen 7600x and anything above and in between you are literally talking single digit figures difference in FPS and 3%, fools and their money

I have a 5950X and a 4090 , at 4K gaming , my CPU is more than enough , I am not Gaming at 1080p , fool and his money are soon parted !

 

[Marcus L]

I'm saying in almost every game I play I'm not seeing anywhere near 100% usage with a 4090 with any of the X3D chips doesn't mean he's wrong just that a 2m benchmark in a part of a game is equivalent to real life hands on with the hardware over hours and hours of gaming with the hardware....

If you don't actually own the hardware i understand how that can confuse someone

Haha ninja edit with a little snipe at me, nice, do you feel better now? I have justified your hardware choices for you, you can rest easy tonight and sleep well I mean if you want to provide other reviews that back up what you are saying I am all ears, but x3D is nice if you have a 2k GPU and play at 1080p which is an oxymoron IMO if you spend that kind of money on CPU and GPU you are playing games at 1440-4k and in which case as I have mentioned 3 times now, you are largely GPU limited and CPU is less of a factor and affects FPS by a margin of 1-3%

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Haha ninja edit with a little snipe at me, nice, do you feel better now? I have justified your hardware choices for you, you can rest easy tonight and sleep well I mean if you want to provide other reviews that back up what you are saying I am all ears, but x3D is nice if you have a 2k GPU and play at 1080p which is an oxymoron IMO if you spend that kind of money on CPU and GPU you are playing games at 1440-4k and in which case as I have mentioned 3 times now, you are largely GPU limited and CPU is less of a factor and affects FPS by a margin of 1-3%

Look if you don't like the cpu guess what that's ok. If you think the performance per dollar is crap that's ok also, not every product is meant for every person and that's ok.

I'm not a fan of these gains either but with AMD only doing baby steps and Intel going backwards we don't have a lot of options if you want somthing faster.

Why I said by default this is the fastest cpu at gaming not that we should celebrate it.

We all love tech aftet all why would we be here otherwise both companies need to do better but it is what it is.

 

[Marcus L]

Look if you don't like the cpu guess what that's ok. If you think the performance per dollar is crap that's ok also, not every product is meant for every person and that's ok.

I'm not a fan of these gains either but with AMD only doing baby steps and Intel going backwards we don't have a lot of options if you want somthing faster.

Why I said by default this is the fastest cpu at gaming not that we should celebrate it.

We all love tech aftet all why would we be here otherwise both companies need to do better but it is what it is.

Why you getting personal like it is your CPU that you have designed lol? I am stating facts, nothing else, if I am wrong I will admit it when you show me what I have said is not correct, you are defending your personal choices in HW purchasing by attacking me for stating simple facts that are on the internet everywhere, not saying it's a bad CPU or you made a bad choice but the "fastest gaming CPU" moniker is misleading when you look at the actual data and interpret it, in certain scenarios yes, though they are not real-world scenarios was my point, no one with a 4090 and 9800x3D is gaming at 1080p and lower, you take this out of the equation and they are all within spitting distance of each other, of course this is a tech site so showing those results and labelling it as the fastest gaming CPU goes without saying but you need to read between the lines and see that there is less than 5% performance difference between a "gaming orientated CPU" and the latest and greatest from AMD and Intel even when you look at the $200 CPU's

 

[harm9963]

Why you getting personal like it is your CPU that you have designed lol? I am stating facts, nothing else, if I am wrong I will admit it when you show me what I have said is not correct, you are defending your personal choices in HW purchasing by attacking me for stating simple facts that are on the internet everywhere, not saying it's a bad CPU or you made a bad choice but the "fastest gaming CPU" moniker is misleading when you look at the actual data and interpret it, in certain scenarios yes, though they are not real-world scenarios was my point, no one with a 4090 and 9800x3D is gaming at 1080p and lower, you take this out of the equation and they are all within spitting distance of each other, of course this is a tech site so showing those results and labelling it as the fastest gaming CPU goes without saying but you need to read between the lines and see that there is less than 5% performance difference between a "gaming orientated CPU" and the latest and greatest from AMD and Intel even when you look at the $200 CPU's

97 percent GPU usage at 4K , why would I spend 600 or 800 or more for a new system , just to get to a 100 percent , GPU bound for a reason , just need a good modern supporting system , 5090 around the corner , can't wait to see if its 40 percent or so faster, look forward to that review in TP.

 

[Marcus L]

97 percent GPU usage at 4K , why would I spend 600 or 800 or more for a new system , just to get to a 100 percent , GPU bound for a reason , just need a good modern supporting system , 5090 around the corner , can't wait to see if its 40 percent or so faster, look forward to that review in TP.

Could be 200% for all I care, will never shell out 1.5-2k for a GPU alone when I can drop that on a whole system that will play the same games

 

[Ruru]

Impressive, they simply made the best even better.

 

[Launcestonian]

I haven't read every single post here, but I don't know why the review did not use the latest AMD chipset drivers for all AM5 boards - 6.10.17.152
Also, the bios used in X670E platform is old. 2506 is the latest official non beta bios from Asus. So how come the older bios here TPU??
This entire product review is irrelevant today if an end user chases up older chipset drivers & bios!

Techpowerup is kidding, right?

They are testing AMD with Win23H2....
so no BRANCH PREDICTION PATCH

it seems Hardware Unboxed is the only one testing AMD with Windows 24H2...

Exactly, 24H2 for win 11 is the only version now when downloading the windows installer from Microsoft. But you know TPU... gotta do what AMD tells them to do despite....

This likely mitigates the IF/IOD not being updated like it should have been.

That being said for Zen5 they probably should have went X3D only although my guess is vanilla 9000 will drop to appealing prices it's not like it's actually slow for most users.

Yep, that's why I got a 9900X now cause' the price for it (across 5 online retailers in my country) is what I paid for the 9700X when it came out!
Once the 9800X3D is retail here, the cost will be unreasonable imo. Besides gaming at 1440x3440 with ultra settings will make minimal difference in fps once I get the 9900X tuned up & OC on all data paths with my factory OC RX 7900 XTX.

 

[saunupe1911]

Incredible and thorough review. I greatly appreciate the 2K and 4K testing as that's what truly matters. Nobody is buying this type of hardware to game at 1080p.

Looks like I would be crazy to move on from my 5900X. Lower power consumption that only sacrifices a few FPS. I'm good for a few more years.

 

[techie81]

I so want to pull the trigger on this coming from AM4, 5900X but I just don't think the performance increase is where I need it at to justify. Good looking chip though.