AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

[RedelZaVedno]

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Nice to see such big difference in a sim. I might upgrade 5700x3D to 9800x3D after all IF I see meaningfull difference in MSFS 2020/2024. By meaningful I mean at least 30% better lows like in AC.
Otherwise it's just not worth it.

 

[mkppo]

Waiting for 9950X3D as this architecture seems to love the extra cache.

Performance uplift is just ok but price increase is not. Not a fan of the power consumption either, one would hope if could be as efficient as older X3D chips if tuned properly.

9950X3D won't have any extra cache for the 8 cores that will be used in games though, even if they put it on both dies. Maybe they'll clock it sky high this time and possible gains from there, considering 7950X3D with a CCD disabled was generally faster than 7800X3D.

 

[GoldenX]

It offers "too little" because of a GPU bottleneck. It's pretty apparent just how much faster it is happens when it's not.

As I said, for people looking at a CPU upgrade to play games that actually benefit from it, double digit gains from a 7800X3D even with a 4090 is nothing short of impressive IMO.

Overpriced? Sure for a 8 core chip it's terribly expensive, but the 7800X3D was roughly the same price and you get much faster productivity and even 5-15% bump in games. Considering the 7800X3D got gobbled up left, right and center AMD have no incentive to price it any less, more so now that the competition is much further away than they were before.

I don't disagree with you. But this tendency of accepting and minimizing these price hikes is very worrying.

We're getting a price hike for a 10% improvement, not a price replacement, on top of a worse platform.

 

[Frick]

I don't disagree with you. But this tendency of accepting and minimizing these price hikes is very worrying.

We're getting a price hike for a 10% improvement, not a price replacement, on top of a worse platform.

I'm fully expecting the 7800x3d will remain in production, sell at the current price where I live (€450) and the 9800x3d will just remain at at least €550 for the remainder of the socket.

 

[Paramount]

What a legend CPU !
7950x3d not too far in games esp. when I bought it for 449$ , actually I am surprised how that 8 cores consume higher power in gaming/MT workload than 7950x3d

 

[mkppo]

I don't disagree with you. But this tendency of accepting and minimizing these price hikes is very worrying.

We're getting a price hike for a 10% improvement, not a price replacement, on top of a worse platform.

This I agree. $30 hike doesn't sound like much but paying close to 500$ for an 8-core CPU in 2024/5 is crazy. I mean the 9900x is under 400 now which is how it should be, but I guess AMD learned a thing or two from Nvidia's playbook and realised gamers who want the fastest are willing to pay up for it. They did forget a 0 though in that price hike.

Worse platform is debatable considering B650's are still widely available and hopefully X870 drops in price before the B650 supplies dwindle. But as a whole, X870/E was pointless and unnecessary.

 

[Space Lynx]

I almost wonder if 7800x3d is still technically the better chip, look at those power savings, for not much difference in performance: source: techspot

 

[windwhirl]

$30 hike doesn't sound like much but paying close to 500$ for an 8-core CPU in 2024/5 is crazy.

You're paying for the fastest gaming CPU. Not just for an 8-core CPU. Premiums are expected. Vote with your wallet.

If you want a cheap 8-core AM5 CPU that can still pull a lot of weight, AMD can offer you a 7700, a 7700X or a 9700X. It just won't be the fastest for gaming.

 

[harm9963]

5950X at 4K is more than enough, thank you for this review, now let's wait for the 5090 , that's what i want to see !

 

[Gameslove]

Thanks for review. Another lunch the Ryzen 7 5800X3D stay a king always. No reason for upgrade CPU at 4K resolution and more.

 

[GhostRyder]

I mean, its a very interesting chip overall and seems to keep doing what we expect (Namely being the best gaming processor out there). The biggest change for me is still that unlocked multiplier because I want to see if with bios updates we can do more playing (Seeing as how voltage offset was missing) with it and get better results. I was really hoping we would see a 5.5ghz overclock.

 

[wheresmycar]

Thanks for the review w1zzy

The 9800X3D is a beast of a gamer with some nice improvements in other single-core/MT workloads at the cost of some power bumping. More importantly, i'm glad AMD's keeping the price similar to the already pricey 7800X3Ds MSRP.

Crazy times, we're no longer eager to compare Intel vs AMD but AMD vs AMD.

I'm curious though, HUB's testing shows a +20 FPS boost in Hogwarts Legacy with the 9800X3D compared to the 7800X3D, while TPU reports only a +1 FPS gain. Similarly, HUB shows an +18 FPS increase in Starfield, whereas TPU goes the other way with the 7800X3D slightly outperforming the 9800X3D. HUBs overall game averages score +11%. Could the HUB vs TPU difference be due to Windows versions (23H2 vs. 24H2) or perhaps variations in the scenes chosen for testing? (or both)

I almost wonder if 7800x3d is still technically the better chip, look at those power savings, for not much difference in performance: source: techspot

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Depends on the workload. If sustained multi-threaded workloads are prioritised like simulations/rendering/encoding/etc which is what the above chart reflects, users would be better off with a 12-core 9900X, a little more power consumption but considerably better MT perf (and still a great gaming alternative for the multi-purpose user).

In gaming alone, its a +20w increase.

 

[HR_The_Butcher]

Is there a simple way to run 9800x3D in ECO mode, such as turning that option on in the BIOS?

I'm after 9700x temperatures while retaining the benefits of the 3D cache.

 

[Random_User]

Also, unfortunate that it lost energy efficiency compared to the 7800X3D. That was a truly special part of it. Not like the new model is a power hog, but the pessimistic predictions of its uplift being mostly due to MOAR POWAH BABY turned out to be mostly true, unfortunately.

Yep. The energy efficiency was without the doubts the crucial feature of 7800X3D, and even 5800X3D (especially 5700X3D). The doubled power consumption is a big "no no", unless it would be tested at same clocks and power limit as 7800X3D, and with better BIOS/UEFI. But something tells me, this isn't a software/firmware issue, and it is here to stay.
This might be non issue, in case if the 9800X3D will scale great, with a slight undervold. But the sole fact, and the additional steps leave the sour tastes.

Thanks for the review.
Pretty high power consumption, 65W would have been nicer in my opinion.

Nothing prevents user to set up the 65W limit in the UEFI. But it's still interesting to see 9800X3D capped at 7800X3D specs.

 

[John974]

Always big differences between different reviewers. I love TPU charts but the scores are almost always lower here.... 24H2 makes a huge difference and also VBS off helps.
Toms tested like that and compared to here it's a monster.

 

[AnotherReader]

I almost wonder if 7800x3d is still technically the better chip, look at those power savings, for not much difference in performance: source: techspot

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It's just the low clocks of the 7800X3D. If the 9800X3D had the same clocks as the 7800X3D, the power consumption delta would be much smaller.

 

[yfn_ratchet]

Pretty decent showing by AMD here, though the power consumption is still a bit of a turnoff. Thermals are much better, which is nice to see after all the hype about the cache sliding under the chip for that purpose. I think I'd still go for a 7800X3D were I to platform shift purely for the sake of price, as it's more than enough for me were I to get an 8-core X3D chip.

Now, if the 9900X3D doubles up on the V-Cache... that would be rather compelling. At that point i'd just be looking for a board that meets/beats my current rear I/O and maybe sports an extra 4x4 M.2 slot.

 

[jayjr1105]

I almost wonder if 7800x3d is still technically the better chip, look at those power savings, for not much difference in performance: source: techspot

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Gen 2 Vcache and it's now better positioned, even with the larger power consumption, it's been several C cooler.

 

[Akkedie]

I wish you guys had Troy Total War w/ Extreme Grass to see some brute force scaling. Kingdom Come Deliverance through Rattay would've been good too. Still a great review tho! I'm pretty set on getting this CPU now, given its performance level I can expect many years of service from it, particularly with a 120 fps target (unless TVs start pushing past 120hz any time soon).

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Well, I am glad to see my Ryzen 5900X is holding up rather well in 1440p, I guess it can hold out a little longer, maybe get a nice 10800X3D.

 

[AusWolf]

A flat boost curve (line) at 155 W max power on an X3D... Impressive!

It's a shame it really means 5-15% gaming performance improvement with double (200%) max power consumption compared to the 7800X3D.

 

[AnotherReader]

A flat boost curve (line) at 155 W max power on an X3D... Impressive!

It's a shame it really means 5-15% gaming performance improvement with double (200%) max power consumption compared to the 7800X3D.

There are quite a few games where it beats the 7800X3D by a margin of 20% or more.

 

[Space Lynx]

Well, I am glad to see my Ryzen 5900X is holding up rather well in 1440p, I guess it can hold out a little longer, maybe get a nice 10800X3D.

I'm fairly certain it will be called the 11800x3d, the next one after this.

I plan to upgrade to that one too, assuming my motherboard will support it on launch day.

 

[windwhirl]

Is there a simple way to run 9800x3D in ECO mode, such as turning that option on in the BIOS?

I'm after 9700x temperatures while retaining the benefits of the 3D cache.

Turn on the option in the BIOS, that's it.

I think it could be done from Ryzen Master too? But only under certain conditions or requiring RM to start after boot, so it's better to just use the BIOS toggle.

 

[scottslayer]

There are quite a few games where it beats the 7800X3D by a margin of 20% or more.



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