The TPU UK Clubhouse

[AusWolf]

Yeah I would say a lot of them probably meet some of the points I've made potentially.
Maybe they are on the waiting list for council house.

It's there a need to wait for a council house, though? One could just walk in to a bunch of estate agents and ask for a room. I'm sure at least one of them will have something. And if these are really working people then they should be able to afford the deposit, too.

 

[kurosagi01]

It's there a need to wait for a council house, though? One could just walk in to a bunch of estate agents and ask for a room. I'm sure at least one of them will have something. And if these are really working people then they should be able to afford the deposit, too.

There are probably a few that again probably struggle to save a couple grand deposit to rent a property.
Then again maybe some may not even like giving money to snobby landlords.

 

[AusWolf]

There are probably a few that again probably struggle to save a couple grand deposit to rent a property.

You don't need a couple grand to rent a room, just a few hundred for a couple of weeks' worth of deposit. If you're working, especially living in a tent, paying no rent or bills, then getting that should be no biggie.

Then again maybe some may not even like giving money to snobby landlords.

Up to the point when they'd rather live in a tent? I find that a bit far-fetched.

 

[kurosagi01]

You don't need a couple grand to rent a room, just a few hundred for a couple of weeks' worth of deposit. If you're working, especially living in a tent, paying no rent or bills, then getting that should be no biggie.


Up to the point when they'd rather live in a tent? I find that a bit far-fetched.

I agree it is a no biggie and a bit far-fetched but you know some people are weird like that.

 

[Caring1]

From your list, I find this to be the only valid point. There is not a chance in hell someone can't afford to rent a room (or studio flat) and buy food even on a minimum wage in this country. You don't need one of the best jobs to make a living. But of course, one should live, or move where there is work, and not in a super expensive area, like London.

Edit: The posted article was about working people, earning a wage, and still living in a tent, which I find weird.

Edit 2: On the other hand, if one lives on the street exactly because they can't manage their finances properly, then sorry, but no sympathy from me. If I could move over to this country with zero money to my name, and start working, living in a mouldy shared house, and eventually get to the point where I rent a nice flat with my girlfriend, buy a 3 year-old car, and still save 25% of my wage if I push it, all this while being relatively close to minimum wage, then so can others.

Weird to you maybe, but not everyone fits in the accepted societal norms, or can share with other people.

 

[AusWolf]

Weird to you maybe, but not everyone fits in the accepted societal norms, or can share with other people.

What societal norms?

In room rental, you don't share your room with other people. Only the kitchen and the bathroom. You also don't need other people to share with - just rent the room you're in. The other rooms are the letting agent's worry, not yours (like a hotel basically, just way cheaper). I know it's not the best way to live, but it's way better than living in a tent. It's how I started out when I moved to the UK.

If you find living like the above example for a year or two until you meet new people and/or save up the cash to rent a flat or house on your own unacceptable, then go ahead, live in a tent. Just don't expect me to sympathise with a situation that you chose for yourself out of your own free will.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

What societal norms?

In room rental, you don't share your room with other people. Only the kitchen and the bathroom. You also don't need other people to share with - just rent the room you're in. The other rooms are the letting agent's worry, not yours (like a hotel basically, just way cheaper). I know it's not the best way to live, but it's way better than living in a tent. It's how I started out when I moved to the UK.

If you find living like the above example for a year or two until you meet new people and/or save up the cash to rent a flat or house on your own unacceptable, then go ahead, live in a tent. Just don't expect me to sympathise with a situation that you chose for yourself out of your own free will lived

I’ve lived in scummy hostels, full of druggies, thieves and pissheads, I’ve lived in shared houses, I have also lived in a tent a few times while being homeless, and got back to my tent one night and there was 2” of water in the bottom of the collapsed tent, ruining all my stuff. IMO you do what you have to to survive.

I’ve seen shitty srooms in a shared house that are £100 a week, and that is in hull, I’d imagine that could be 2 or 3 times that in other more affluent places, and I’d guess 5-10 times that hundred for a flat, even a pretty crappy one. I can’t see how anyone on minimum wage could live in London, unless it’s in a box.

And that’s not forgetting all the immigrants in the uk now sucking up the low end accommodation, be it gov subsidised or not. The housing market in the UK is terrible unless you are pretty well off. In my city the wait for council housing is at least 2 years, and I believe there are 10 applicants for private flats. I can’t imagine how bad it must be in other places.

saying anyone on minimum wage should be able to find accommodation is a stretch.

 

[AusWolf]

I’ve lived in scummy hostels, full of druggies, thieves and pissheads, I’ve lived in shared houses, I have also lived in a tent a few times while being homeless, and got back to my tent one night and there was 2” of water in the bottom of the collapsed tent, ruining all my stuff. IMO you do what you have to to survive.

I’ve seen shitty srooms in a shared house that are £100 a week, and that is in hull, I’d imagine that could be 2 or 3 times that in other more affluent places, and I’d guess 5-10 times that hundred for a flat, even a pretty crappy one. I can’t see how anyone on minimum wage could live in London, unless it’s in a box.

The only reason to live in London is if your highly lucrative job brings you there. Otherwise, I'd avoid it, together with the whole South like the plague.

Having said that, nothing prevents anyone from moving to areas with more reasonable living costs.

Living in a tent must have been harsh, but you found a way out.

And that’s not forgetting all the immigrants in the uk now sucking up the low end accommodation, be it gov subsidised or not. The housing market in the UK is terrible unless you are pretty well off. In my city the wait for council housing is at least 2 years, and I believe there are 10 applicants for private flats. I can’t imagine how bad it must be in other places.

I agree that the situation is pretty crap with buying prices out of anyone's range, and consequently, landlords buying up everything they can, but I don't think it's entirely impossible to rent.

 

[Caring1]

What societal norms?

In room rental, you don't share your room with other people. Only the kitchen and the bathroom. You also don't need other people to share with - just rent the room you're in. The other rooms are the letting agent's worry, not yours (like a hotel basically, just way cheaper). I know it's not the best way to live, but it's way better than living in a tent. It's how I started out when I moved to the UK.

If you find living like the above example for a year or two until you meet new people and/or save up the cash to rent a flat or house on your own unacceptable, then go ahead, live in a tent. Just don't expect me to sympathise with a situation that you chose for yourself out of your own free will.

I see you lack empathy, understanding, or both for the neurodivergent that cannot share and do NOT have a choice.

 

[lexluthermiester]

If I may interject? Let's remember we're all friends here. Let's also remember that our views in life are highly dependent on personal experience and perspectives.

The problem of homelessness is never an easy subject. There are nuances and complexities that can be very situational.

 

[AusWolf]

I see you lack empathy, understanding, or both for the neurodivergent that cannot share and do NOT have a choice.

How do you define neurodivergent? As far as I've read, they are fully capable adults, there's F all wrong with them. Everybody is different one way or another, but we all have to live in a society somehow. I never got anything in my life for free, that's for sure. Expecting other fully capable adults to make the same efforts to improve their own lives that I have to improve mine through the years is only reasonable.

Edit: Or if they're so "neurodivergent" (whatever this word means) that they're more comfortable living in a tent than looking for ways out of their misery, then who am I to judge?

If I may interject? Let's remember we're all friends here. Let's also remember that our views in life are highly dependent on personal experience and perspectives.

The problem of homelessness is never an easy subject. There are nuances and complexities that can be very situational.

That I agree with.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

I have to say, in my city most of the begging homeless I see are societal dregs that are probably either druggies or alcoholics. The council/police had to ban them all from the city centre because of their sometimes aggressive way of begging. My opinion of these types is pretty low.

I know not all homeless are like these people but I have never met any other types, so I kinda have zero sympathy for them. I have been homeless and am neither a druggie or alcoholic but just a victim of circumstances.

 

[AusWolf]

I have to say, in my city most of the begging homeless I see are societal dregs that are probably either druggies or alcoholics. The council/police had to ban them all from the city centre because of their sometimes aggressive way of begging. My opinion of these types is pretty low.

Exactly my point. Feeling sympathy for everyone who's behind in society without questioning why they're behind in the first place is stupid, imo. Especially in a day and age and geographical location (UK) when and where most companies pride themselves in employing a variety of people with a diverse spectrum of backgrounds and personal traits.

For example, the company I work for has a program to provide mentally handicapped individuals with work experience that they couldn't get otherwise, and it's pretty successful. Some of them have even managed to get full-time positions with us. We also have a partnership with an employment agency that specialises in rehabilitating ex-convicts with a proven good prison record who are genuinely looking for a better life.

I know not all homeless are like these people but I have never met any other types, so I kinda have zero sympathy for them. I have been homeless and am neither a druggie or alcoholic but just a victim of circumstances.

I met a homeless guy once who said he'd been a literature teacher, but was made redundant and lost his home. I asked him to recite a poem from a famous poet, which he did, so he got a coin well deserved.

But I agree, 98% of homeless people are thugs, willing to let circumstances carry them, and turn to alcohol and drugs to numb their sense of living, rather than looking for an exit.

I've also given food to homeless people which they threw into the bin the moment I looked away.

 

[kurosagi01]

I think the ones that bother me the most when it comes to homeless begging are indeed those that walk around.
I remember giving money to one years ago and I see his bumhole wearing different clothes and a JD sport bag on a different day.
I will say the ones that walk across busy roads with stationary cars waiting at traffic light intimidate me the most. Had it happend a couple times in Birmingham on the outskirts of china town.
Had it happen a couple times driving through parts of London as well.

 

[lexluthermiester]

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[Caring1]

If I may interject? Let's remember we're all friends here. Let's also remember that our views in life are highly dependent on personal experience and perspectives.

The problem of homelessness is never an easy subject. There are nuances and complexities that can be very situational.

Quite correct, and studies have also shown that a large number of homeless have mental health issues and do not fit in to what society considers normal.
I can say from my experience, they really don't care what others think of them, they just want to get on with their life with the least hassle possible.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I didnt know this was a thing...

Anyone got any Surface To Santa Missile batteries nearby?

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Grinch launcher prepared, sir!

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Grinch launcher prepared, sir!

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Anyone pick up any boxing day sales? I wasnt really looking and there didnt seem to be that many great deals on Amazon.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Just found out over the weekend, one of my best friends has passed away. I don’t even know what happened, I hadn’t heard from him and he hadn’t been active on steam since the 5th of November so I went around and there was someone else living in his flat. On Monday I am going to get in touch with his landlord and the coroners office to see if I can find out what the cause of death was. I had known him for about 30 years so will miss him a lot. I informed my circle of friends who knew him, we were all quite shocked that Paul has gone, it will take some getting used to.

 

[AusWolf]

Just found out over the weekend, one of my best friends has passed away. I don’t even know what happened, I hadn’t heard from him and he hadn’t been active on steam since the 5th of November so I went around and there was someone else living in his flat. On Monday I am going to get in touch with his landlord and the coroners office to see if I can find out what the cause of death was. I had known him for about 30 years so will miss him a lot. I informed my circle of friends who knew him, we were all quite shocked that Paul has gone, it will take some getting used to.

Sorry to hear that.

5th November was the last day I talked with my mum before she passed away on the 7th. My father-in-law also passed away two days ago. It's not a good end of year for many of us, it seems. I can definitely feel your pain.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Sorry to hear that.

5th November was the last day I talked with my mum before she passed away on the 7th. My father-in-law also passed away two days ago. It's not a good end of year for many of us, it seems. I can definitely feel your pain.

Thx, had really known him for a long time, and was out of the blue. He had health problems but nothing i thought would kill him. Really hoping i can find out what happened.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Looks like im going to be leaving you boyos for a while.

My people need me.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Looks like im going to be leaving you boyos for a while.

My people need me.

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