Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive

AusWolf · Jan 5, 2025

oxrufiioxo said:
Its almost always game related for me CP2077 path traced and Witcher 3 next gen are what pushed me over the edge lol

Nah, that's just a graphical upgrade. I'm not interested in the slightest. But the base game made me build a completely new PC back in '15 (actually before that, but it was in preparation for The Witcher 3).

oxrufiioxo said:
Yeah Nvidia is pretty much clearing all stock so priced are getting nutty.

I thought AMD was clearing 7900 GRE stock to make room for the 9070 XT. I'm confused.

Zazigalka · Jan 5, 2025

Krit said:
Right now cheapest RX 7900 XT costs 654€

wonder where you're from, cause that would be a really great deal. In Poland it starts at 740, for a crappy asus dual version that for sure can't cool down a 300w card. Pulse triple fan is 760eur. In Germany you can't get one under 700 either.

Krit said:
RTX 4070 Ti Super costs 835€ thats a ~ 28% difference right now.

Yeah, 4000 series prices have gone absolutely mental these past few months, especially the 16GB ones.

oxrufiioxo · Jan 5, 2025

AusWolf said:
Nah, that's just a graphical upgrade. I'm not interested in the slightest. But the base game made me build a completely new PC back in '15 (actually before that, but it was in preparation for The Witcher 3).

I thought AMD was clearing 7900 GRE stock to make room for the 9070 XT. I'm confused.

I'm sure amd is clearing stock as well. There does seem to be a ton of 7900XTs still the card that probably will perform most like the 9070XT....

Witcher 3 actually ran pretty well in sli it was probably the last game I really tried to push first with dual 970s and then dual 1080s... it was probably the last game I thoroughly enjoyed sli with it was needed for 4k back then.

TumbleGeorge · Jan 5, 2025

DaemonForce said:
The features and performance of the 4070 Ti would make for great competition at the moment.
I hop onto to 4060 Ti shopping list and it's just as bad:
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That's the current price floor in USD. Wtf is happening?

Even with this going on I'm not sure if okay with this part if it launches above $550.
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I usually juggle raster performance against things like feature quality and total package quality but that's not going to work this time.
Price is way too unstable to do anything right now and I don't see what's driving any of it. It's also annoying to sort feature sets. We need charts.

In the one of my websurfing without attention I open Canadian version of one of international shops and prices was horrible. Take a 1-2 minutes to realise what I was done.

Bomby569 · Jan 5, 2025

Zazigalka said:
wonder where you're from, cause that would be a really great deal. In Poland it starts at 740, for a crappy asus dual version that for sure can't cool down a 300w card. Pulse triple fan is 760eur. In Germany you can't get one under 700 either.

Yeah, 4000 series prices have gone absolutely mental these past few months, especially the 16GB ones.

they are trying to get the last couple of bucks out of the cards. If you know the new ones are coming you won't buy the old ones unless they are below cost, if you don't know you may pick one up, there is no downsize to asking stupid prices and no upside for sales. Once the new cards are beside the old ones, prices will drop like a ton of bricks.
Until a week ago it was easy to get the 7900xt for under 700€

edit if someone wants one: 701€

https://www.pccomponentes.pt/placa-grafica-asus-dual-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-oc-edition-20gb-gddr6

oxrufiioxo · Jan 5, 2025

Bomby569 said:
they are trying to get the last couple of bucks out of the cards. If you know the new ones are coming you won't buy the old ones unless they are below cost, if you don't know you may pick one up, there is no downsize to asking stupid prices and no upside for sales. Once the new cards are beside the old ones, prices will drop like a ton of bricks.
Until a week ago it was easy to get the 7900xt for under 700€

edit if someone wants one: 701€

https://www.pccomponentes.pt/placa-grafica-asus-dual-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-oc-edition-20gb-gddr6

Neither company seems to want a repeat of really cheap 3000/6000 sku when the next generation launches especially AMD.

It made most their stack look stupid that there were so many 6600XT/6700XT/6800XT/6950XT available massively discounted.

Bomby569 · Jan 5, 2025

oxrufiioxo said:
Neither company seems to want a repeat of really cheap 3000/6000 sku when the next generation launches especially AMD.

It made most their stack look stupid that there were so many 6600XT/6700XT/6800XT/6950XT available massively discounted.

there it was mostly a supply problem caused by covid/crypto oversupply. That's not an issue anymore, market will do it's thing, there aren't many, once the new ones come out these cards will go on sale, because no one will want them, unless they are really cheap.

Pumper · Jan 5, 2025

tfdsaf said:
Latest leaks show the RTX 5080 being 1700 euros. To me this seems fairly normal, probably a 100 euros tax because its eurozone and probably another 100 euro tax because its asus rog brand, so we essentially get to 1500 euros, which is the price I reported 3 months ago now.

Again the 5080 is extremely likely to cost $1500/1500 euros, but it will be sold at 1600+ euros in Europe due to taxes there and add in a bit of a brand tax, ass in a bit of artificial scarcity and we are looking at prices that are 1700 to 1800 euros for a measly 5080 with 16gb of vram.

But ROG 4080S are going for 600€ premium over the cheapest variants.

Sound_Card · Jan 5, 2025

sn2x said:
DLSS says otherwise. 10% isn't much of a premium.

And AMD reaching Nvidia in RT is also wishful thinking.

I think it's wishful thinking to suggest that they will never catch up to them in RT.

FSR is quite nice now and keeps getting better. AMD's frame generation is better and I think that is a lot more interesting and game changing at the moment for extending the life of these overpriced cards.

Shou Miko · Jan 5, 2025

I sadly have a hunch that the RTX 50 series and RX 90 series will be a paper launch anywhere but the US because of DT and his bad changes which will also when the "tax" happens lead see NGreedia raise MSRP prices yet again not only in the US but for the rest of the world too this is my fear for 2025.

AMD might get on to the band wagon too with their increase we can see this with the 9800X3D since it's out of stock and some buys it and sell it for higher prices since it's out of stock anywhere.

I would like a Ryzen 7 X3D but I am not gonna sell out the £440ish for a 7800X3D or £468ish for a 9800X3D because so far I feel it will be a waste for the amount of gaming I do this being said I just finished Indiana Jones and The Great Circle actually a good game expect the crashes I had which wasn't even fixed with 566.45 Hotfix 1, the game got more stable yes but still if you idled for too lang either on the map or game menu the game just closed. (A lot of people had this issue so I just lived with it).

I really hope that AMD's RX 90 series starts around £535-668ish not much more so I can return to AMD I am tired of Nvidia's driver having windows logs when it detects a igpu :banghead:

AusWolf · Jan 5, 2025

Shou Miko said:
I sadly have a hunch that the RTX 50 series and RX 90 series will be a paper launch anywhere but the US because of DT and his bad changes which will also when the "tax" happens lead see NGreedia raise MSRP prices yet again not only in the US but for the rest of the world too this is my fear for 2025.

But they have to sell worldwide not just on paper.

Sure, DT can fight against China all he wants, but he can't deny two of the US's top tech companies to sell anywhere outside the US. Taxes and import tariffs might be a bit higher than we're used to, but still...

Shou Miko · Jan 5, 2025

AusWolf said:
But they have to sell worldwide not just on paper.

Sure, DT can fight against China all he wants, but he can't deny two of the US's top tech companies to sell anywhere outside the US. Taxes and import tariffs might be a bit higher than we're used to, but still...

Problem with this tariff right before the launch for RTX 50 and RX 90 series is that both companies has if rumors are true and most of them are that the majority of the cards that are set to launch in mid-end January and in Feb. has been delivered in the US already to try to prevent the tariffs to hit at launch leaves the rest of the world fighting over scraps of what will be left and when all cards in the rest of the world has been sold out because of the tariffs both companies will raise their prices everywhere not just the US which ain't fair.

I don't want to be too politician this is not the forum for it, but this is just my fair sadly.

@AusWolf agree let him fight is own battle, I know jobs in the US is important restrictions of ev's and all but looking into this it seems that Chinese and Korean EV's have fewer problems at least in my part of the world than Tesla and EU EV's which still tries the governments here trying to raise taxes on EV's even VW has extended their warrantys for EV's here in my country up to 5years but only for the cars sold here since December 2024 because too many have imported the EV's because it's cheaper but turn it around VW rather give you 10years of charging than actually lower their prices to be competitive which makes me sick and want to throw up.

I am tried of all the EV talk even a guy in Sweden that sold his EV and brought a older Lexus with a V8 which is cheaper per. km/mile to drive in with insurances and everything than the EV was.

This is always why I do not really want to buy a EV because it's too expensive for me and my low income even when my better half will be moving in hopefully not more than 2 years from now we properly still won't buy a EV i rather keep my current small city car which is cheap to run, maintain and own and use the money on traveling, electronics and enjoyment.

AusWolf · Jan 5, 2025

Shou Miko said:
Problem with this tariff right before the launch for RTX 50 and RX 90 series is that both companies has if rumors are true and most of them are that the majority of the cards that are set to launch in mid-end January and in Feb. has been delivered in the US already to try to prevent the tariffs to hit at launch leaves the rest of the world fighting over scraps of what will be left and when all cards in the rest of the world has been sold out because of the tariffs both companies will raise their prices everywhere not just the US which ain't fair.

I don't want to be too politician this is not the forum for it, but this is just my fair sadly.

Maybe. As with everything politics, I'm on a "wait and see" approach.

Shou Miko said:
@AusWolf agree let him fight is own battle, I know jobs in the US is important restrictions of ev's and all but looking into this it seems that Chinese and Korean EV's have fewer problems at least in my part of the world than Tesla and EU EV's which still tries the governments here trying to raise taxes on EV's even VW has extended their warrantys for EV's here in my country up to 5years but only for the cars sold here since December 2024 because too many have imported the EV's because it's cheaper but turn it around VW rather give you 10years of charging than actually lower their prices to be competitive which makes me sick and want to throw up.

I am tried of all the EV talk even a guy in Sweden that sold his EV and brought a older Lexus with a V8 which is cheaper per. km/mile to drive in with insurances and everything than the EV was.

This is always why I do not really want to buy a EV because it's too expensive for me and my low income even when my better half will be moving in hopefully not more than 2 years from now we properly still won't buy a EV i rather keep my current small city car which is cheap to run, maintain and own and use the money on traveling, electronics and enjoyment.

Let me not even start on EVs. First, they're seriously off-topic. Second, you can find my opinion here:

Why did we abandon hydrogen cars so quickly?

Hydrogen is too expensive and still dangerous. Cold fusion is the best technology we have as of now, it's a clean energy but the lobbyists are pushing for gas because the gas industry brings too much money. The reality is that our society is doomed because of selfish and greedy people...

www.techpowerup.com

Now let's get back on topic.

Shou Miko · Jan 5, 2025

AusWolf said:
Let me not even start on EVs. First, they're seriously off-topic. Second, you can find my opinion here:

Why did we abandon hydrogen cars so quickly?

Hydrogen is too expensive and still dangerous. Cold fusion is the best technology we have as of now, it's a clean energy but the lobbyists are pushing for gas because the gas industry brings too much money. The reality is that our society is doomed because of selfish and greedy people...

www.techpowerup.com

Now let's get back on topic.

That's why I stopped myself, I am in there too, but it was only a reference

But don't get me wrong I am excited for new gpu release we get even for Intel's Battlemage I was excited to see like with Alchemist how performanced on day 1 and how the Alchemist cards have actually aged well if I may say so and Intel kept their promises for their graphics card is actually good to see and I hope they will be the 3 competitor in the gpu space for many years :rockout:

AusWolf · Jan 5, 2025

Shou Miko said:
That's why I stopped myself, I am in there too, but it was only a reference

But don't get me wrong I am excited for new gpu release we get even for Intel's Battlemage I was excited to see like with Alchemist how performanced on day 1 and how the Alchemist cards have actually aged well if I may say so and Intel kept their promises for their graphics card is actually good to see and I hope they will be the 3 competitor in the gpu space for many years

That will depend on availability, imo. For now, Arc cards are nowhere to be seen in the UK. The only place I found listing them is Overclockers, but they're mostly out of stock.

Krit · Jan 5, 2025

Zazigalka said:
wonder where you're from, cause that would be a really great deal. In Poland it starts at 740, for a crappy asus dual version that for sure can't cool down a 300w card. Pulse triple fan is 760eur. In Germany you can't get one under 700 either.

Latvia
https://maxtrade.lv/asus-dual-rx7900xt-o20g-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-gddr6.197942.p?l=en

Zach_01 · Jan 5, 2025

EU Greece

freeagent · Jan 5, 2025

You guys and your little numbers :rolleyes:

Zazigalka · Jan 5, 2025

Krit said:
Latvia
https://maxtrade.lv/asus-dual-rx7900xt-o20g-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-gddr6.197942.p

You have euro on Latvia ? Didn't know that.

nguyen · Jan 5, 2025

freeagent said:
You guys and your little numbers

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Amateurs LOL

Krit · Jan 5, 2025

Zazigalka said:
You have euro on Latvia ? Didn't know that.

Yes that's correct already from 2014

Sir Beregond · Jan 5, 2025

Re: Current 40-series pricing

As far as I know, AD102 and AD103 cards (4090, 4080 Super, 4070 Ti Super) ceased production a while ago to clear out stock and they are drying up now. So when you do find them, yes the prices are inflated.

I've noticed locally that now the AD104 tier cards are drying up too (4070 Super, 4070). Seems maybe they are starting to get the same treatment.

Dont have a read on 4060 Ti yet. But noticing they are dwindling as well. Only thing that still seems to have multiples around is the 4060.

Source: Local Micro Center

I kind of get it. 30-series was in way overabundance when 40-series came out.

3x0 · Jan 5, 2025

Sir Beregond said:
As far as I know, AD102 and AD103 cards (4090, 4080 Super, 4070 Ti Super) ceased production a while ago to clear out stock and they are drying up now. So when you do find them, yes the prices are inflated.

This is what I find fascinating. If the manufacturer/seller are trying to sell the inventory as soon as possible/before the next gen comes out (which should by every mean be a better price/perf), then shouldn't they decrease the prices instead of inflate based on the "scarcity"?

HuLkY · Jan 5, 2025

Inno3D RTX 5090 iChill 3X card photos leaked, many are predicting it to be round 2499USD .... this is just sad at this point even if a user can afford it..

jormungand · Jan 5, 2025

HuLkY said:
Inno3D RTX 5090 iChill 3X card photos leaked, many are predicting it to be round 2499USD .... this is just sad at this point even if a user can afford it..

lol me looking at the market atm with top $500 ~ $650 + taxes to spend.

Im waiting on the 9070XT reviews, people say is going to be worse in performance than the 7900xt.
No hope on Nvidia bringing a 4070ti super performance lvl below $700
I think i will be pissed with these new gens :roll:

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Display(s)	LG 34GP83A-B 3440x1440p 144hz nano-ips ultrawide
Case	Phanteks P500A (White/Black)
Audio Device(s)	HyperX Cloud Alpha Wireless
Power Supply	Seasonic Vertex GX 1000w gold 80+
Mouse	HyperX Pulsefire Haste
Keyboard	HyperX Alloy Origins Core - Tenkeyless
Software	W11 24h2

Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive

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