Are people planning an upgrade?

[mkppo]

They always underdeliver and they never innovated anything GPU related with a single exception (RDNA2, Infinity Cache) in decades so I'm definitely not. Just plain low quality copycatting with "but it's open source!" sauce at the very best. Do I need to care for it being open source if it's so garbage I can't even enjoy it in 99% scenarios? Pricing is also ridiculous. Being 2+ generations behind on everything that's not raw raster performance means anything but the 5 to 10 % discount is enough.

I disagree with most of your points but this one takes the cake. If you think their only innovation in the GPU space in the last few decades is infinity cache,it's plain incorrect. See GCN. Even coherent caching was a bigger innovation than infinity cache was. That's not the only "innovation" though. In terms of arch, go back all the way to Fermi and see the amount of stuff Nvidia (and AMD) have copied from each other.

Sure nvidia are usually the first to release new "features" of which 90% are garbage but the ones that click are great. AMD follows, but they don't just copy nvidia because a lot of the features are in development years before launch but nvidia are quicker to release it simply because they can execute better and have more resources. Also, FSR has been perfectly usable and ironically the times I couldn't really use it are where DLSS also struggled massively (eg.warzone). Not saying DLSS isn't superior, but this exaggeration about DLSS being a thousand times better is getting quite tiresome as I play games on both just fine. If AMD didn't release FSR, freesync and all of the stuff they've "copied" and made it open source, don't think I would've been able to enjoy even half of these features and it has been a net benefit for all. They should've executed better with some of them and priced their GPU's better in general, but the open source stuff has been great.

Also, over the past 20 years or so AMD cards almost always aged better for me (eg. 290X vs GTX 970, 9700 Pro vs dogshit FX5800 etc etc), so i'm not sure what cards you've been using.

Before spouting your silly renaming suggestions, know that AMD doesn't only make a GPU and they've been killing it in other divisions, including companies they've acquired which is rarity in the industry.

 

[Splinterdog]

I'm considering an RX7900XT to replace the 5700XT I currently have.

 

[QuietBob]

Which would put it slightly below 7900XTX in raster (in Time Spy) and on the same level as XTX in RT (Speed Way), with a lot less WGP.

Paired with a 5800X3D a reference 7900XTX does 14,400 GPU Marks in TSE and 5,800 in SW. If the leaked results were true, the 9070XT would be the same in raster and 10% faster in RT.

Given the huge disparity in shader count -- 6,144 for the 7900XTX vs possible 4,096 for the 9070XT -- it's hard to believe the two would achieve equal raster performance.

OTOH, the 7900XTX has 96 Ray Accelerators, while the 9070XT probably 64, though with a 22% higher boost clock. If the SW score is correct, RDNA4 would show about 33% improvement in RT, which is plausible.

 

[windwhirl]

From what I've been told, the 9070xt performs as good as the 4080 super in RT and better in raster. As far as I understand it, the 9070 was the card intended to hit the $500-550 mark pre 5070 price confirmation. A 9070xt at $500 should not be DOA by any means except by hopeful green goblins on this forum.

NGL, I'm thinking people will see the two cards, say "it's just $70 more" (assuming that $479 price leak for the 9070 XT holds any water) and go for the Nvidia option because mindshare and "Radeon sucks" and such.

Though, again, we'll see when the cards are actually in the market. I'm hoping whatever AMD's move ends up being, they don't lose even more market share, for what it's worth. Monopolies are bad in general, after all.

Given the huge disparity in shader count -- 6,144 for the 7900XTX vs possible 4,096 for the 9070XT -- it's hard to believe the two would achieve equal raster performance.

I'm thinking the process node change might have helped a bit there, and the rest is just core clock increases and IPC.

 

[Ruru]

Nope. My backlog is hella long and I don't want to sell my kidney for getting from 4K DLSS Q 40fps to 55fps.

 

[Clueless1977]

I want to upgrade my system...but the GPUs I want are not around or too expensive. I want to pay $500 (before the 13% taxes here in Canada!) for a new GPU. I currently have a rtx 2070 Super. Don't know if I am willing to trust a used one. Just want to game some older single player games like KCD, Witcher 3, Divinity 2 etc. at max settings at 1440p (native). Don't care about RT too much.

 

[tussinman]

100% upgrading. Still on the RTX 2000 series.

RTX3000/RDNA 2 was a hard no for me since it was mostly during the inflated crypto boom and then I ended up being really busy during most of the 4000/RDNA 3 series so now's a good time to upgrade.

Something like the 5060Ti or 9060XT is probably all I need but I might aim a tier or so higher since I would like to play Flight Simulator in VR which is demanding.

 

[Sound_Card]

NGL, I'm thinking people will see the two cards, say "it's just $70 more" (assuming that $479 price leak for the 9070 XT holds any water) and go for the Nvidia option because mindshare and "Radeon sucks" and such.

Same ol song and dance for the last 20 years.

 

[Ruru]

Same ol song and dance for the last 20 years.

20 years ago we had hella reasonably priced mid-end cards at least. 6600 GT is a legend.

 

[Clueless1977]

20 years ago we had hella reasonably priced mid-end cards at least. 6600 GT is a legend.

Yeah. I'm thinking to replace my 2070 super and just cant find an affordable card that seems worth the price. Every $500 card has worse performance!

 

[AusWolf]

Do you read yourself?

"The products weren't that bad"... But they also weren't great. There's not a single AMD GPU in RDNA3 that offers more over its direct competitor other than VRAM.

Yes. Nvidia played the "but but DLSS" game, AMD played the "but but VRAM" game. You're free to choose which one you consider more important, kind of the same as now. I was really excited about the 5070, but a 12 GB card for $550? C'mon.

"I view the 7800XT not as successor to the 6800XT"... but AMD did

No, they did not. The 6700 XT launched at $479, the 7800 XT at $499. Why it was called 800 instead of 700 is a mystery, but I think it's stupid.

, and the 7900XT was indeed placed in the wrong spot, but at the same time, if you look at AMD's entire stack, it is only just below halo card territory. The 4090 rained on that parade and made the 7900XTX look like 'just another high end offering', and the 7900XT joined as the 'below high end offering'. The bottom line here is that AMD tried to upsell RDNA3 and that, after its somewhat below expectation performance and lacking RT performance, killed the entire proposition. Its really not about what you think, but about how the market responds.

I agree with that, but you have to keep in mind that the XTX was priced nowhere near the 4090. They are not competing products.

You're just making up excuses here, imho, to not have to admit AMD fucked up one thing after another. Now we're hoping RDNA4 will be different... and the first signs... are nothing other than a repeat of what AMD"s always done.

Fingers crossed FSR4 is actually good this time.

I'm not making up excuses. I had a 7800 XT (I had to sell it because I needed cash), and it was a great card. I prefer talking from experience instead of citing (clickbait) reviews and talking about "the market", whatever that means for us individuals.

 

[Frick]

Do you read yourself?

"The products weren't that bad"... But they also weren't great. There's not a single AMD GPU in RDNA3 that offers more over its direct competitor other than VRAM.

The 7900xtx was €200 less than the 4080. That's a good offer.

 

[JustBenching]

The 7900xtx was €200 less than the 4080. That's a good offer.

There are 2 ways to look at it. You get the 4080 (or slightly better) raster performance for a bit less money. Not bad. On the other hand, you get 40-50% more RT performance for a bit more money. Also sounds like a good deal. Efficiency and dlss as the cherry on top.

So in no way can I with a straight face call the xtx a good deal, not anymore than I can call the 4080 the same.

 

[GreiverBlade]

probably not ...

since i have a bloody beauty of a RX 7900 XTX (the Hellhound Spectral White is indeed a beauty ), a R7 5800X3D and 64gb DDR4 3600,
plus the fact that i play at 1620p60 on a 32", i highly doubt that anything coming later will make me want to upgrade

and since i am not one to go for RT gimmicks ... i should be fine (nor do i currently need to use FSR2/3 or FrameGen)

 

[Ruru]

Yeah. I'm thinking to replace my 2070 super and just cant find an affordable card that seems worth the price. Every $500 card has worse performance!

I could recommend 6700 XT/6750 XT if you can find one with a cheap price. A beast if you play at 1080p and don't care about RT.

Hell, I used mine for over an year with 4K60, then I got a 3080 and the 6700 XT went to my media PC, with a 1080p60 TV. Everything runs without hiccups at 1080p max, before I ran games at 4K60 FSR Q.

edit: How about Intel B580 (if your rig supports PCIe 4.0 and REBAR?)

 

[Bomby569]

so when are we going to know the price of the amd cards?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Odd way to show it but looking good....

 

[windwhirl]

so when are we going to know the price of the amd cards?

/shrugs

But I'd guess two weeks from now

 

[tussinman]

I want to upgrade my system...but the GPUs I want are not around or too expensive. I want to pay $500 (before the 13% taxes here in Canada!) for a new GPU. I currently have a rtx 2070 Super. Don't know if I am willing to trust a used one. Just want to game some older single player games like KCD, Witcher 3, Divinity 2 etc. at max settings at 1440p (native). Don't care about RT too much.

The midrange was weak this gen which makes your situation bad. The $400 CAD cards like the 4060 and rx 7600 are basically side grades compared to the 2070 super.

If you want new than you'll most likely just have to wait for the RTX 5060 and RX 9600/9600XT to release but even, then, you're crossing your fingers that these cards can even offer at least 3070/6800 non XT level performance which is the minimum I'd be looking at from a 2070 super

 

[ShiBDiB]

I was going to keep an eye on the BST and fleabay for second hand 4xxx cards. (If that's any of you, feel free to reach out)

 

[jormungand]

Waiting on reviews, 9070XT equal or better than the 7900XT for $550 top. That rumor of being like the GRE is going to be a No for me.
5070...no hopes on you buddie. Youre Pinocchio
5070 TI if equal to 4080 super, $749 is high + the Aib partners fee and taxes..... will hurt
5080, I dont want to cross that $1k line

i want native fps, dont care about upscaling.
I will decide if i upgrade or not after reviews

 

[Ruru]

i want native fps, dont care about upscaling.

And I want that with 4K120 with your card's 10GB brother

I guess I'll just stick to older games, though I still must get FF VII Rebirth, no matter if the PC port is good or horrible.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Waiting on reviews, 9070XT equal or better than the 7900XT for $550 top. That rumor of being like the GRE is going to be a No for me.
5070...no hopes on you buddie. Youre Pinocchio
5070 TI if equal to 4080 super, $749 is high + the Aib partners fee and taxes..... will hurt
5080, I dont want to cross that $1k line

i want native fps, dont care about upscaling.
I will decide if i upgrade or not after reviews

Would 7900XT like performance even be a worthwhile upgrade.....

 

[jormungand]

And I want that with 4K120 with your card's 10GB brother

I guess I'll just stick to older games, though I still must get FF VII Rebirth, no matter if the PC port is good or horrible.

i have a big backlog too with old games but Monster Hunter Wilds is coming and i need moar powa!!!
Not a Pinocchio wearing Jensen jacket
I will check the performance with my 3080 on MHWilds once it launches if i need a new gpu that will give me a little push to buy a new gpu
but for real i dont want to cross that $700 line

 

[dont whant to set it"']

This thread could have done ok with a poll.

Next round, maybe, the round after next maybe, looking for ~50% performance increase at <~ 100W total board power from the point of an already considerably downclocked RX6900XT.