The TPU UK Clubhouse

[AusWolf]

Fresh pressed?
Or do y'all call that apple juice? Over here apple juice is clear and kind of bland. Cider is the good stuff.

Yes, that's (cloudy) apple juice. If you let it ferment and gain some alcohol content, it becomes cider. You yanks are weird sometimes.

 

[mechtech]

And with milk.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo

Black only and extra strong the way it's supposed to be.............any weaker and my cube mate with welsh ancestry said his grandma called it "cat pee" if it was anything but

 

[lexluthermiester]

Alcoholic or fresh cider? Or hot, spiced cider?

Yes. I'm talking about the hot non-alcohol kind. Can't do the alcohol type sugar free after all.

Yes, that's (cloudy) apple juice. If you let it ferment and gain some alcohol content, it becomes cider. You yanks are weird sometimes.

Not exactly. Cider can be made by taking the apple product and processing it a different way and adding different flavors. The fermenting process can be skipped to get an end product for general use. When I make it fresh at home I put in cinnamon, ginger, whole cloves and a dash of hazelnut while I cook it.

Whether being served hot or cold, milk or cream is frequently used as it adds a particular quality to the flavor. Some like it, some do not. As with most things in life, it's about personal preference.

 

[the54thvoid]

Language is a beautiful thing:

In the UK definition, cider is alcoholic.

In the US definition, it is not.

Schrodingers apple press.

 

[AusWolf]

Yes. I'm talking about the hot non-alcohol kind. Can't do the alcohol type sugar free after all.

Oh... then what I tried yesterday has got nothing to do with what you suggested. Bummer.

Not exactly. Cider can be made by taking the apple product and processing it a different way and adding different flavors. The fermenting process can be skipped to get an end product for general use. When I make it fresh at home I put in cinnamon, ginger, whole cloves and a dash of hazelnut while I cook it.

Whether being served hot or cold, milk or cream is frequently used as it adds a particular quality to the flavor. Some like it, some do not. As with most things in life, it's about personal preference.

That sounds like apple pie in a drinkable form. It must be nice.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Language is a beautiful thing:

In the UK definition, cider is alcoholic.

In the US definition, it is not.

Schrodingers apple press.

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Exactly! Over here we cider that is made with fruits other than apples, most of the time brewed/cooked with spices of various flavorings. We do have varieties that have alcohol and most are well done.

That sounds like apple pie in a drinkable form. It must be nice.

That's not a far off analogy actually.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

welp. I'll be reporting from the Russian border soon enough.

 

[AusWolf]

I just got an email about my renewed TV licence... of course it's gone up.

But... I've just realised that you don't need to pay after watching Youtube, only if you watch live streams which I don't. Why have I been paying this pointless ripoff all these years?

Is there any way they could check what you do on your TV anyway?

 

[Tatty_Two]

I just got an email about my renewed TV licence... of course it's gone up.

But... I've just realised that you don't need to pay after watching Youtube, only if you watch live streams which I don't. Why have I been paying this pointless ripoff all these years?

Is there any way they could check what you do on your TV anyway?

I believe ISP's are required to supply certain activity info to TV licensing if requested. Any live stream such as Netflix (and all the others) requires a TV Licence and even a live stream of Sky news on YouTube requires the license.

In terms on normal broadcast TV usage away from streaming, TV Licensing many years ago were able to "see" what channels you were watching but back then they had to have their equipment withing a certain radius to collect it .... normally from a Van in the street but these days having moved from analogue to full digital it wouldn't surprise me to know that they could sit in their office chairs at work and find out that information.

TV licensing spying on home internet usage — MoneySavingExpert Forum

Do I need a TV Licence to watch or stream programmes online? - TV Licensing ™

 

[AusWolf]

I believe ISP's are required to supply certain activity info to TV licensing if requested. Any live stream such as Netflix (and all the others) requires a TV Licence and even a live stream of Sky news on YouTube requires the license.

In terms on normal broadcast TV usage away from streaming, TV Licensing many years ago were able to "see" what channels you were watching but back then they had to have their equipment withing a certain radius to collect it .... normally from a Van in the street but these days having moved from analogue to full digital it wouldn't surprise me to know that they could sit in their office chairs at work and find out that information.

TV licensing spying on home internet usage — MoneySavingExpert Forum

Do I need a TV Licence to watch or stream programmes online? - TV Licensing ™

I don't have any subscription plans, and I don't watch anything live on Youtube, either. I have two TVs, but they're not connected to the TV network. Besides Youtube, the missus watches Channel 4 on demand (not live), but extremely rarely (like once every year or so). So I'm good to cancel, they're not gonna fine me for anything?

 

[Ruru]

How's weather in UK? On next week, looks like Finland's having over 0C which is weird for January.

 

[AusWolf]

How's weather in UK? On next week, looks like Finland's having over 0C which is weird for January.

In the Midlands (Birmingham-Nottingham area), it's like this:

Your mileage may vary depending on location. The South is usually a bit warmer, Scotland is much colder.

The last week was brutal. -5 to -6 ˚C which is quite strange for these parts.

 

[kurosagi01]

Yeah I don't have a TV license myself, told them immediately after i've moved in to my current house with my partner.
Pretty much don't watch any livestream unless its from a content creator which that doesn't really count.
Now that WWE is broadcasting live on Netflix, i'll just watch the re-run the following day/morning after it airs at midnight.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yeah I don't have a TV license myself, told them immediately after i've moved in to my current house with my partner.
Pretty much don't watch any livestream unless its from a content creator which that doesn't really count.
Now that WWE is broadcasting live on Netflix, i'll just watch the re-run the following day/morning after it airs at midnight.

It's been a while since I've been there, how does the TV permit thing work with internet streaming? Do you still have to have one?

 

[Ruru]

Wait, what? TV license? Finland gave up on those about 20 years ago

 

[the54thvoid]

It's been a while since I've been there, how does the TV permit thing work with internet streaming? Do you still have to have one?

No, unless you're streaming the BBC channels.

 

[kurosagi01]

It's been a while since I've been there, how does the TV permit thing work with internet streaming? Do you still have to have one?

Basically you can watch internet streaming on a "TV" without TV license needed as long as its not a "live" stream.

No, unless you're streaming the BBC channels.

You do need a TV license to watch BBC channels + their BBC iplayer thing yes but also...
Example:
1. If I wanted to watch a live premier league match(football match, its not soccer get that out of here) via Amazon prime on my "TV" I would need a TV license.
2. The same can be said about watching any of the WWE livestreams that get broadcast on Netflix at 2am in the morning, that requires a TV license to watch it on my "TV".
3. The Mike Tyson Vs Jake Paul on Netflix, if I wanted to watch it "live" I would need a TV license

You can watch those live on your monitor or phone though as that doesn't fall into the silly definition of "TV", broadcasting it from your phone/PC to your TV isn't "allowed" either but how would they know..

From the official TV license page:https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ33

Watching online​

You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch live on streaming services - such as ITVX, Channel 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now, Sky Go, YouTube, Netflix and Freely.

You don't need a TV Licence if you never watch live on any channel, pay TV service or streaming service, or use BBC iPlayer*.

This includes recording and downloading. On any device.

Watching YouTube​

You don’t need a TV Licence to watch videos or clips on demand on YouTube.

But you DO need a TV Licence if you watch TV live on YouTube. An example of this would be watching Sky News live. But it isn’t just live news or sport which needs a licence – it’s any programme which is part of a TV channel, shown or transmitted for everyone to watch at the same time.

 

[lexluthermiester]

No, unless you're streaming the BBC channels.

Interesting. Been wondering about that.

Watching online​

You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch live on streaming services - such as ITVX, Channel 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now, Sky Go, YouTube, Netflix and Freely.

You don't need a TV Licence if you never watch live on any channel, pay TV service or streaming service, or use BBC iPlayer*.

This includes recording and downloading. On any device.

I'll bet enforcement is a PITB.

 

[kurosagi01]

Interesting. Been wondering about that.


I'll bet enforcement is a PITB.

So far haven't had them come knocking on my door lol, one of my mate got caught out when he was staying at his ex-gf place as she didn't have TV license.
So because he answered the door he had to pay the fine.

 

[AusWolf]

So far haven't had them come knocking on my door lol, one of my mate got caught out when he was staying at his ex-gf place as she didn't have TV license.
So because he answered the door he had to pay the fine.

How did they know that he needed a licence?

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I'll bet enforcement is a PITB.

Legally. As long as you keep your doors closed to them. There aint a thing they can do but keep sending out letters written and semi-written in legalese. Some very threatening legalese in the hopes to bully/coerce or confuse people who might get lost among the jargon and fearmongering into paying.

There are quite a few channels on YT that have showcased such letters, they themselves, viewers or subscribers have received from the BBC.

Unless they turn up with a warrant to search your property. They cant say that youre committing an 'criminal offense' by watching tv without a tv licence because they simply cant prove it. Criminal Offence is one of the words the BBC uses a lot when sending out letters to people about tv license renewals/non-payments. They really try to fearmonger people into paying.

They have to jump through a lot of hoops to get a warrant and its not worth the time or the effort for them to try and obtain one just to knock on a random UK residents door. If they did that. Then they've literally become the new Waffen SS.

 

[AusWolf]

Legally. As long as you keep your doors closed to them. There aint a thing they can do but keep sending out letters written and semi-written in legalese. Some very threatening legalese in the hopes to bully/coerce or confuse people who might get lost among the jargon and fearmongering into paying.

There are quite a few channels on YT that have showcased such letters, they themselves, viewers or subscribers have received from the BBC.

Unless they turn up with a warrant to search your property. They cant say that youre committing an 'criminal offense' by watching tv without a tv licence because they simply cant prove it. Criminal Offence is one of the words the BBC uses a lot when sending out letters to people about tv license renewals/non-payments. They really try to fearmonger people into paying.

They have to jump through a lot of hoops to get a warrant and its not worth the time or the effort for them to try and obtain one just to knock on a random UK residents door. If they did that. Then they've literally become the new Waffen SS.

But even if they come into your property, what do they look for? 99.9% of people these days have a TV, computer, laptop or a phone, and they have no way to prove whether you do or do not watch the BBC or any live streaming service.

By the way, I've just come off the phone, my licence is cancelled. Goodbye, pointless £15 direct debit!

 

[kurosagi01]

How did they know that he needed a licence?

Legally. As long as you keep your doors closed to them. There aint a thing they can do but keep sending out letters written and semi-written in legalese. Some very threatening legalese in the hopes to bully/coerce or confuse people who might get lost among the jargon and fearmongering into paying.

There are quite a few channels on YT that have showcased such letters, they themselves, viewers or subscribers have received from the BBC.

Unless they turn up with a warrant to search your property. They cant say that youre committing an 'criminal offense' by watching tv without a tv licence because they simply cant prove it. Criminal Offence is one of the words the BBC uses a lot when sending out letters to people about tv license renewals/non-payments. They really try to fearmonger people into paying.

They have to jump through a lot of hoops to get a warrant and its not worth the time or the effort for them to try and obtain one just to knock on a random UK residents door. If they did that. Then they've literally become the new Waffen SS.

Pretty much this, he was just unlucky he answered the door lol.

But even if they come into your property, what do they look for? 99.9% of people these days have a TV, computer, laptop or a phone, and they have no way to prove whether you do or do not watch the BBC or any live streaming service.

By the way, I've just come off the phone, my licence is cancelled. Goodbye, pointless £15 direct debit!

Who knows what they look for now, maybe they hope some muppet will have a virgin media box or sky box lol.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

But even if they come into your property, what do they look for? 99.9% of people these days have a TV, computer, laptop or a phone, and they have no way to prove whether you do or do not watch the BBC or any live streaming service.

By the way, I've just come off the phone, my licence is cancelled. Goodbye, pointless £15 direct debit!

Im not clear on this either.

I think the whole thing is a grey area and a lot of it rests on them sending the right sort of people to your house. People that set up the right boundaries, People that ask the right sort of questions. Phrase questions a certain way. Make shit up along that way that you are already committing a criminal offense and bamboozle you admitting wrong doing.

Maybe similar to the way mafia shakedowns go. Threaten you with court/sending you to jail etc etc "But we'll ignore all this if you keep up your payments. Dont miss your payments again or else..."


I think UK ISPs work with the BBC though. SO your ISP could share tracking information with the BBC that you've watched a livestream from one of their services. Like i said. Its a lot of work to go through just to pin the tail on a random donkey.

You can open the door but dont let them in. If they come back with a warrant. Let them come back with a warrant. Best thing to do would be not to open your door at all.

 

[AusWolf]

Pretty much this, he was just unlucky he answered the door lol.

Who knows what they look for now, maybe they hope some muppet will have a virgin media box or sky box lol.

So if you answer the door, then bam, that's it? That's quite bad considering that I live in a flat, so I never know who's coming. Might be the pizza guy.

Although, they can look for a Sky box in my flat, they'll never find any. They won't find my TVs connected to anything, either.