upgrade rtx 4090 for an Rtx 5080

[oxrufiioxo]

We had the same story last gen. The 4080 should have been a 4060ti / 4070 and it's crap. Then the xtx was released for 999 and suddenly the fans were calling it a good deal. 999 for the same performance as what they thought should have been a 60ti.

That's just Nvidia haters and those people who can't let go of the past if they just busted out an inflation calculator they'd realize a lot of gpus people thought were amazingly priced were not priced as well as they thought

Pascal is a good example the 1080 FE launched at around 900 usd in today's money and used the 104 die... Titan X from that same year which was a cut down 102 die would be around 1600 usd in today's money both are not all that different than what we are paying now.

The fabled 1080ti also started life at around 900 usd in today's money and that's viewed as the last good high end card price wise...

780ti 950 in today's money

The 580/680 were the last ok price flagships although the 680 is debatable as a flagship at around 700 usd in today's money.

I think ampere could have been a decent enough generation if the pandemic/crypto didn't murder prices

I do agree though the 4080 should have started at $999 at most and everything below it should have shifted down a tier.... Even Nvidia seems to agree the 4080 super and 5080 adopter the more correct price and the two cards below got cheaper although with likely very little performance improvements, hopefully reviews show that isn't the case.

Don't get me wrong pricing sucks and wages have not gone up nearly as fast as inflation. That's life though.

If you could go back in time people complained about every launch I can remember.. Everything from pricing to performance and guess what that'll never change no matter how good it is people will think they deserve more that's just human nature.

 

[Scattergrunt]

I think ampere could have been a decent enough generation if the pandemic/crypto didn't murder prices

As someone who completely ignored PC hardware for the entirety of the pandemic and crypto boom, I think it was a fine enough generation even if I think the 3070 and 3070ti were disappointing due to their vram. Though to be fair thats more of a hindsight thing. Majority of peoples issues with ampere weren't usually related to the actual GPU's as is besides pricing to my memory

 

[oxrufiioxo]

As someone who completely ignored PC hardware for the entirety of the pandemic and crypto boom, I think it was a fine enough generation even if I think the 3070 and 3070ti were disappointing due to their vram. Though to be fair thats more of a hindsight thing. Majority of peoples issues with ampere weren't usually related to the actual GPU's as is besides pricing to my memory

At MSRP the 3060, 3060ti, and 3080 were all fine it was the 3070 which performed decent matching the 2080ti but only 8GB which was fine for a while and the 3090 which was 10-12% faster than the 3080 but a ton of vram that were debatable....

Not talking about the refreshes like the 3070ti, 3080ti, 3080 12GB, 3090ti which were all terrible at pandemic prices and the 3050 and 3060 variations.

Beyond that them using the Samsung node which probably led to half decent prices got a lot of hate due to the power consumption which I get.

Ada pricing and naming was obviously decided during the crypto boom....

 

[Scattergrunt]

At MSRP the 3060, 3060ti, and 3080 were all fine it was the 3070 which performed decent matching the 2080ti but only 8GB which was fine for a while and the 3090 which was 10-12% faster than the 3080 but a ton of vram that were debatable....

Not talking about the refreshes like the 3070ti, 3080ti, 3080 12GB, 3090ti which were all terrible at pandemic prices and the 3050 and 3060 variations.

All the Ti's besides the 3060 Ti are all pretty lame to me. Especially the 3070Ti and 3080Ti. I was more happy about the 3050 6GB than them, and the 3050 6GB might as well of been a 3040 because its on a different die as is than the original 3050.. because at-least I saw a reason for it.

Beyond that them using the Samsung node which probably led to half decent prices got a lot of hate due to the power consumption which I get.

Power consumption has never really bothered me unless it goes well over ~320 Watts, I do miss when flagships targetted only ~250 watts maximum though. Same thing happened with CPU's since the Intel 9th Gen cpus.

Ada pricing and naming was obviously decided during the crypto boom....

Yea.. The 4060 was definitely not a 60 class card before they bumped it up (going by the same logic as the 3050 6gb, with the die name), presumably for marketing reasons. The 4060Ti is presumably the actual 4060 as it should of been in my mind. But its whatever honestly. Lets just hope they dont pull the same stuff again with the 50 series cards. Or atleast not as eggreiously.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

All the Ti's besides the 3060 Ti are all pretty lame to me. Especially the 3070Ti and 3080Ti. I was more happy about the 3050 6GB than them, and the 3050 6GB might as well of been a 3040 because its on a different die as is than the original 3050.. because at-least I saw a reason for it.

Power consumption has never really bothered me unless it goes well over ~320 Watts, I do miss when flagships targetted only ~250 watts maximum though. Same thing happened with CPU's since the Intel 9th Gen cpus.

Yea.. The 4060 was definitely not a 60 class card before they bumped it up (going by the same logic as the 3050 6gb, with the die name), presumably for marketing reasons. The 4060Ti is presumably the actual 4060 as it should of been in my mind. But its whatever honestly. Lets just hope they dont pull the same stuff again with the 50 series cards. Or atleast not as eggreiously.

Yeah, bottom line naming doesn't matter, the die doesn't matter, people just need to decide what they're willing to spend and get the best price to performance option in that price range if there is nothing either buy used or wait till there is somthing in your price range that is appealing.


That's just my 2 cents though.

Getting sidetracked though the 5080 isn't likely to be a better card than the 4090 even though it should be..... That's life though... OP wait for the reviews maybe the 5080 is awesome maybe it looks like a 5060 untill it gets evaluated everyone is guessing.

 

[Scattergrunt]

Yeah, bottom line naming doesn't matter, the die doesn't matter, people just need to decide what they're willing to spend and get the best price to performance option in that price range if there is nothing either buy used or wait till there is somthing in your price range that is appealing.

That's just my 2 cents though.

And you know what? Fair enough. Me personally I just worry more about how products age and stuff and therefore will additionally judge them based on that metric.

Getting sidetracked though the 5080 isn't likely to be a better card than the 4090 even though it should be..... That's life though... OP wait for the reviews maybe the 5080 is awesome maybe it looks like a 5060 untill it gets evaluated everyone is guessing.

Cant wait for the raw performance numbers, as i wanna compare the generational jump in raw performance.. generational raw performance jumps are interesting to me

 

[Dr. Dro]

Consumer protection agencies haven't been serious since the early 80s. Corps have free reign to do as they please.



Just because something is standard doesn't mean it isn't wrong or shouldn't be illegal. "Read the fine print"? Where actually does one find the fine print for GPUs? In the documentation after they've already purchased? Or are you implying that only enthusiasts are entitled to not being scammed? I've never liked this kind of argument because it places the blame on customers for corporate misdeeds. It's always the customer's fault and never the corps that something didn't come as expected and marketing is misleading. Do you always read the fine print for everything and anything you purchase or sign up to? No, no one does that because it's nearly impossible. This logic simply leads to every company trying to screw it's customers over and eventually they are going to succeed, regardless of how much effort you put into researching products.

It's right in line with the logic that "only stupid people get scammed". It doesn't address the problem, in fact it enables it by discouraging action against blatantly bad business practices. Why have any laws protecting customers at all. If people can read the fine print / do their own research on, for example, meat (and literally everything else they buy) surely it's their fault if they eat shit because they didn't realize a lack of regulations means an unregulated amount of feces in their food.

Let's just assign blame where blame is due. Nvidia has shady marketing practices and always has. We should push to improve that. AMD or Nvidia's other competitors are irrelevant to this conversation. A company shouldn't be allowed to screw customers when there is no competition. That's precisely when the government should step in. Obviously this is idealistic and not what's going to happen but it order to start taking steps towards a destination you first have to know that destination to begin with.

It isn't that I don't agree with you, however, they were not the first and won't be the last business to engage on this practice. Showing your product in its absolute best light has been a marketing tactic since the dawn of capitalism. It's kind of a thing that everyone does.

 

[undertaker2k8]

Even a 4080s to a 5080 will likely not be a worthwhile upgrade, only path for 4080s folks like me is to get a 5090...kinda rich for a video card unless you use it professionally to make money.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Even a 4080s to a 5080 will likely not be a worthwhile upgrade, only path for 4080s folks like me is to get a 5090...kinda rich for a video card unless you use it professionally to make money.

Either that or you're an enthusiast who wants the latest technology. I don't think anyone who has a 4080 or 4080 Super really has to upgrade this generation, speaking for myself, I chose to do so just because I can. This will likely be the last generation I will be pulling this stunt, though. I cannot see anything that the 5090 with its 32GB VRAM and ample performance isn't gonna mow down at least until the end of this decade.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Either that or you're an enthusiast who wants the latest technology. I don't think anyone who has a 4080 or 4080 Super really has to upgrade this generation, speaking for myself, I chose to do so just because I can. This will likely be the last generation I will be pulling this stunt, though. I cannot see anything that the 5090 with its 32GB VRAM and ample performance isn't gonna mow down at least until the end of this decade.

Bookmark this comment lol for when the RTX Uber AI 6969 with 69x more Fake frames comes out.....

 

[JustBenching]

With the current pricing as is, and the mediocre gen on gen performance improvements, we will just move to upgrading every other gen. Gone are the days of the 85% gen on gen improvement (1080ti, hello there). 4090 was pretty decent too, around 60+% over the 3090.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Bookmark this comment lol for when the RTX Uber AI 6969 with 69x more Fake frames comes out.....

Hold me to that! If the perf is good enough... you know I will

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I disagree that it is inferior. I mean Pretty much every single amd card is better value than Nvidia, offers more vram and again is actually faster in raster.

DLSS might be 10-15% better in certain games over FSR, but is an upscaler that occasionally has 15% better image stability worth usually $100 or more premium?

If you ask me AMD has the better products, I mean the 7900XTX is faster than the 4080, on par with the 4080s and costs $150 less, has more vram. has dp2.1 support, has normal power connectors and it ages better, offering better performance over a longer period of time.

Same thing with the rest of their lineup, all the way to the 7600 which is just a bad product, but most are at that level, not one great value card. But yeah, the 7800xt is much better than the 4070 or 4070s, faster, cheaper, more vram, better drivers, dp2.1, better software suite, etc...

Are we looking at the same reviews? In 6 of the last 10 games TPU reviewed, the 7900xtx is slower then the 4080 in raster, and in a 7th, dragon age, its only faster at 4k, otherwise it is slower. So 35% of the time it is as fast or faster then the 4080. thats.....not great.

And dont count on that number going up either. The 6900xt used to trade blows with the 3090, but these days struggles against the RTX 3080 instead. AMD's "fine wine" has turned to curdled milk. In 2 years, guarantee the 7900xtx is slower then the 4080 universally, and struggles against the 4070ti, in raster.

With the current pricing as is, and the mediocre gen on gen performance improvements, we will just move to upgrading every other gen. Gone are the days of the 85% gen on gen improvement (1080ti, hello there). 4090 was pretty decent too, around 60+% over the 3090.

Lets be honest, how many people exactly were jumping every generation? I've gone every 2-3 generations for a long while now.

 

[LittleBro]

TechSpot found RX 7900 XTX to be on par with RTX 4080 in rasterizing performance:

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HWUB's results are in favor or 7900 XTX:
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In some reviews won RTX 4080, in other RX 7900 XTX:

Our AMD RX 7900 XTX vs. Nvidia RTX 4080 comparison has a clear winner

AMD's RX 7900 XTX and Nvidia's RTX 4080 are hotly competitive GPUs, but when we put them head-to-head, there's a clear winner.

www.digitaltrends.com

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4080 vs. AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX: Which should you buy?

In an overpriced GPU market, are either the RTX 4080 or RX 7900 XTX worth buying? We put the two head-to-head to see how they stack up in performance and value to answer that question.

www.pcworld.com

https://babeltechreviews.com/hellhound-rx-7900-xtx-vs-rtx-4080-50-games-vr/ (this one is really comprehensive one)

AMD RX 7900 XTX Review - KitGuru

We have been eager to get hands on with the RX 7900 XTX ever since it was officially announced last

www.kitguru.net

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It all comes down to methodology and testing scenes. Of course, proper and fair comparison would consist of:
- same set of games,
- same testing scenes (integrated benchmarks would be best),
- same rest of the testing rig,
- same version of drivers
in all reviews that are made.

I'm saying it once more time - do also read other reviews. The more statistic samples you have, the better is the accuracy and the more meaningful are the data.

TPU left few good games that scale well with GPUs out of the game and brought for example piece of shit Wukong instead (this game runs badly overall on anything).
What definitely is methodologically wrong in TPU's GPU reviews is efficiency testing, since it's based on Cyberpunk only. That's extremely poor statistic sample.
Arc B580 was found to be most efficient GPU to this date (paired with modern processor) but RTX 4060 is in fact real overall winner in efficiency (on average).

Anyway, that first post of this thread is hilarious. Now imagine he came to other forum with teens in charge and they would approve trading 4090 for 5080 lol.
This is what publishing misleading information causes: 5070 is basically 4090 perf. level, 5080 has more cores than 5070, equals to 5080 being faster than 4090.

RTX 5080 will not beat RTX 4090 in native raster performance. With DLSS4 and FG it most probably will beat the 4090.
Forget the RTX 5070 = RTX 4090 bullshit. RTX 4090 (artificially) won't support newest DLSS4 and MFG, otherwise it would be much ahead of RTX 5070+DLSS4+MFG.
As we see today, same frames count does not equal to same performance.

 

[Gasaraki]

What a pointless upgrade.

 

[Sir Beregond]

hi

i have an rtx 4090 and i am not sure if i want to upgrade to the rtx 5080


I found that the 5070 will be on par with the 4090,

the 5070 have 6144 core and the 5080 have 10752 , 75% more core.

The rtx 5080 should be 75% more more powerful than the 4090/5070, with a TPD of only 360 watt

the 4090 is still ok for my need (1440p gaming) but having something that is 75% more powerful and less power hungry is tempting


the only thing that bother me is the 16 go of ram. why 16 go for a rtx 5080 instead of 32. is 16 go gonna be ok for the future.

I think you misunderstand.

The 5070 does NOT equal a 4090 unless you are using DLSS4 with said 5070. Going purely based on raster to raster, I think you won't see that big of an increase in performance from say the 4070 to the 5070 because there is a very minimal increase in shaders for traditional rendering 5888 (4070) to 6144 (5070). So the performance difference elsewhere is going to come from increased power, the move to G7 memory, and any architectural improvements to the render pipeline. Otherwise both 40 and 50 series are on 5nm, so only minor improvements there (TSMC 4N to 4NP).

The only reason they can say 5070 = 4090 is because of DLSS4 with 3-4x multi-frame generation which the 4090 will not have. So sure 5070 + 3-4x fake frames maybe somehow = a 4090. Likewise, the 5080 is only a marginal increase in shaders over the 4080 Super (10240 to 10752).

I think we are going to see these cards be of minor improvement over their 40-series counterparts in any traditional rendering benchmarks / games. Jensen himself said it. "This is only possible with AI". So all those massive increases on the charts were very heavily using DLSS and frame gen.

Keep the 4090.

 

[Ruru]

Is it just me, but I feel that it's hella stupid to consider of getting unreleased hardware

Wait for them to be released, check few reviews and then think about upgrading.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Is it just me, but I feel that it's hella stupid to consider of getting unreleased hardware

Wait for them to be released, check few reviews and then think about upgrading.

We get these questions at every launch hell you could get a 2080ti for like 3-400 when the 3070 was announced and what ended up happening is nobody could get 3080/3090s at reasonable prices I waited and ended up getting double that for Pascal cards.....

Unless someone is hellbent on upgrading every generation (which was me in the past) it's never smart to assume 1 a new card is going to be worth upgrading to 2 That you'll even be able to get the new card at a sane price. My guess is very few will get 5080/90 at msrp the majority will be paying 20%+ over that if they want them right away.

 

[Sir Beregond]

We get these questions at every launch hell you could get a 2080ti for like 3-400 when the 3070 was announced and what ended up happening is nobody could get 3080/3090s at reasonable prices I waited and ended up getting double that for Pascal cards.....

Unless someone is hellbent on upgrading every generation (which was me in the past) it's never smart to assume 1 a new card is going to be worth upgrading to 2 That you'll even be able to get the new card at a sane price. My guess is very few will get 5080/90 at msrp the majority will be paying 20%+ over that if they want them right away.

And in the long run the 2080 Ti probably aged better than the 3070 simply due to 11GB vs 8GB of vram, especially 1440p or higher res.

 

[Scooby24]

As someone that deliberately has to turn off the current frame insertion feature, I would not want anything that boasts of an improvement based on that. It looks like garbage with any sort of movement. Like watching TVs that claim to be 120hz but are just doing it with inserted frames...not sure how anyone doesn't see how bad it looks.