In regards to the 5090 "launch" a message to Nvidia, from a long time supporter

[15th Warlock]

Obviously wrong thread to post, nothing to see here, move along!

Peace out.

 

[Onasi]

It’s just a GPU, my brother in Christ. Unless you desperately need a 5090 for work to earn a living missing on scoring one on launch is not a big deal. In fact, jumping on shit on launch day one has always been a fools game. Relax. Have a nap. Have a beer. Have a smoke. Buying a GPU to play games isn’t a life goal. People who camped out to buy one were either scalpers or consooomer morons. End of.
I swear, people are being over-dramatic over stupidest things these days.

 

[agent_x007]

I'm way more chill about GPUs being too expensive to buy.
That's why I never buy new/newest hardware - it's just overpriced.
Both 1-st crypto boom and later RTX 30 launch should make this pretty obvious - it's going to be a thing now so, get used to it.

I waited 3 years to buy RTX 3080 Ti (used), and 2 years for RX 6950 XT (still new with full warranty LOL), since their respective launches.
I'm very weird user though, so I get that not everyone can do this type of thing.

 

[N/A]

You know full well that they won't hold the line and will fall for scalpers and the reason why they exist. Who is the scalper, perhaps one of you that is buying two to get one for free by selling the other at a double price. So you are really fighting for apple peels and scalping each other. Stop creating unrealistic demand with the fear of missing out.

 

[Anth0789]

This reminds me of when the RTX 3080 came out same thing happened, took my two months to get a card sadly, found one on newegg luckily then sold it and got the one i was waiting for initially. Nvidia with paper launch!

 

[GodisanAtheist]

@15th Warlock

Dude, sorry it went down that way, but for the love of god don't make consuming and PC Gaming your lifestyle or your personality. It's part of the reason we're in this mess to begin with (high prices, poor availability, crap gen on gen improvement).

PC building is a fun hobby and gaming is a great pass time or relaxation activity but they shouldn't be your only things. Certainly not to the point where you impinge on your emotional and physical health; spending time, the one resource you're never getting back, waiting in line after line for some mass market consumer grade product that will only marginally improve your end user experience (I see that 4090 in your system specs).

Take a deep breath and keep on trucking with life. You'll have your 5090 eventually, in the meantime it should never drive you to a page long screed or an open letter to Nvidia.

 

[15th Warlock]

It’s just a GPU, my brother in Christ. Unless you desperately need a 5090 for work to earn a living missing on scoring one on launch is not a big deal. In fact, jumping on shit on launch day one has always been a fools game. Relax. Have a nap. Have a beer. Have a smoke. Buying a GPU to play games isn’t a life goal. People who camped out to buy one were either scalpers or consooomer morons. End of.
I swear, people are being over-dramatic over stupidest things these days.

I think you missed the part where I mentioned I'm not in any desperate need to replace my current card, or the fact that I'm a father of two who works full time. I actually barely have any time to play anymore.

The fact that you dismiss my opinion and qualify it of being over-dramatic and stupid, makes me realize you missed the entire point of my post, and that's perfectly fine, you're entitled to your own opinion.

The point being, we were lead to believe this card would release on Jan 30th when I reality it was nothing short of a paper release.

Now, if you're okay with a multi trillion company turning its back to the people that supported it from its inception, then that's your prerogative, and I hold no qualm against you.

But it is my honest opinion, and that of many people who were anticipating this launch, that things should've been handled in a better way, specially when talking about the world's highest valuated company.

They started selling gaming GPUs, I was there from the beginning, and even though we are only a fraction of their bottom line now, we still deserve some respect, don't you agree?

Anyway, like I mentioned, I hold no qualms against you, but you can't deny the fact this launch was handled poorly, and I know this wouldn't have happened if there was any competition, or financial motivation to cater to your long time supporters.

 

[Macro Device]

many people who were anticipating this launch

Everyone who had at least a couple minutes to actually analyse the sitch knew it'll be one hell of a stink. Tariffs (cheap but working excuse) + gamers are so low priority I can't even find a word in my native language to describe how low it is + absolute zero on competition = they can do ANYTHING. Especially doing zero stock launches. They don't lose anything if they only sell two 5090s. Will stay rich anyway because they're selling professional GPUs in millions units for millions more than they actually cost.

Want them to act decent, to act honest, create a danger for them. Make them scared. Outclass them. This is, ideally, AMD's job but they're having days off ever since.

 

[GhostRyder]

With bots now a days its near impossible to get things like that at launch if the numbers are even slightly low. Plus I doubt they wanted a bunch out there because they have tons of RTX 4XXX series still out there and don't want to completely kill the price.

It sucks but that is the way things are now. Honestly though the performance uplift from 4XXX series to 5XXX series is not a crazy amount so its really just a matter of holding on for awhile until they feel like putting a ton out to the normal market (Since I bet most went to the AI market).

 

[AnotherReader]

I think you missed the part where I mentioned I'm not in any desperate need to replace my current card, or the fact that I'm a father of two who works full time. I actually barely have any time to play anymore.

The fact that you dismiss my opinion and qualify it of being over-dramatic and stupid, makes me realize you missed the entire point of my post, and that's perfectly fine, you're entitled to your own opinion.

The point being, we were lead to believe this card would release on Jan 30th when I reality it was nothing short of a paper release.

Now, if you're okay with a multi trillion company turning its back to the people that supported it from its inception, then that's your prerogative, and I hold no qualm against you.

But it is my honest opinion, and that of many people who were anticipating this launch, that things should've been handled in a better way, specially when talking about the world's highest valuated company.

They started selling gaming GPUs, I was there from the beginning, and even though we are only a fraction of their bottom line now, we still deserve some respect, don't you agree?

Anyway, like I mentioned, I hold no qualms against you, but you can't deny the fact this launch was handled poorly, and I know this wouldn't have happened if there was any competition, or financial motivation to cater to your long time supporters.

Nvidia, like almost all corporations, isn't your friend and they don't care that gamers' money funded their AI and CUDA efforts. Now that they have the manifold moolah from AI shops and wannabes, gamers will naturally be a lower priority for them. Now, that doesn't mean that things won't improve; after all, most CUDA development is done on gaming hardware so they need a good stock of these out soon.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

I think you missed the part where I mentioned I'm not in any desperate need to replace my current card, or the fact that I'm a father of two who works full time. I actually barely have any time to play anymore.

The fact that you dismiss my opinion and qualify it of being over-dramatic and stupid, makes me realize you missed the entire point of my post, and that's perfectly fine, you're entitled to your own opinion.

The point being, we were lead to believe this card would release on Jan 30th when I reality it was nothing short of a paper release.

Now, if you're okay with a multi trillion company turning its back to the people that supported it from its inception, then that's your prerogative, and I hold no qualm against you.

But it is my honest opinion, and that of many people who were anticipating this launch, that things should've been handled in a better way, specially when talking about the world's highest valuated company.

They started selling gaming GPUs, I was there from the beginning, and even though we are only a fraction of their bottom line now, we still deserve some respect, don't you agree?

Anyway, like I mentioned, I hold no qualms against you, but you can't deny the fact this launch was handled poorly, and I know this wouldn't have happened if there was any competition, or financial motivation to cater to your long time supporters.

You keep saying ‘supporter’.

Nvidia isn’t a gofundme for your neighbor trying to pay for their cancer treatment.

You’re not a supporter, you're the mark.

 

[Onasi]

Now, if you're okay with a multi trillion company turning its back to the people that supported it from its inception, then that's your prerogative, and I hold no qualm against you.

Yes, it was a deliberate humiliation ritual devised by Jensen Huang specifically to target old friends of the company like you. This is exactly what happened there. Very cool.

But it is my honest opinion, and that of many people who were anticipating this launch, that things should've been handled in a better way, specially when talking about the world's highest valuated company.

There were warnings from different retailers like two weeks before the cards released that availability will be very limited. There was no real ambiguity. Now, reasons for said poor availability can be debated endlessly, I am not interested in that grift, but unironically acting surprised is being naive.

They started selling gaming GPUs, I was there from the beginning, and even though we are only a fraction of their bottom line now, we still deserve some respect, don't you agree?

What are you even talking about? They are a company producing consumer goods. You are a customer that might or might not buy such goods from them. That’s the end of any relationship one might have with NV as a consumer. Respect doesn’t factor into it. If you consider their product or service or anything else to be poor - do not engage in a transactional relationship with them. It’s that simple. They owe you nothing. But you too owe them nothing. They aren’t a fucking utilities company without whose services, yes, you can experience a significant quality of life degradation. They sell what is a luxury good for all intents and purposes.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I think you missed the part where I mentioned I'm not in any desperate need to replace my current card, or the fact that I'm a father of two who works full time. I actually barely have any time to play anymore.

The fact that you dismiss my opinion and qualify it of being over-dramatic and stupid, makes me realize you missed the entire point of my post, and that's perfectly fine, you're entitled to your own opinion.

The point being, we were lead to believe this card would release on Jan 30th when I reality it was nothing short of a paper release.

Now, if you're okay with a multi trillion company turning its back to the people that supported it from its inception, then that's your prerogative, and I hold no qualm against you.

But it is my honest opinion, and that of many people who were anticipating this launch, that things should've been handled in a better way, specially when talking about the world's highest valuated company.

They started selling gaming GPUs, I was there from the beginning, and even though we are only a fraction of their bottom line now, we still deserve some respect, don't you agree?

Anyway, like I mentioned, I hold no qualms against you, but you can't deny the fact this launch was handled poorly, and I know this wouldn't have happened if there was any competition, or financial motivation to cater to your long time supporters.

- It's not an OK/Not OK kind of thing. These are publicly traded corpos. They are consumer focused right until they don't have to be. AMD people are learning this the hard way as AMD pulls away from Intel in the CPU space.

Everyone who had at least a couple minutes to actually analyse the sitch knew it'll be one hell of a stink. Tariffs (cheap but working excuse) + gamers are so low priority I can't even find a word in my native language to describe how low it is + absolute zero on competition = they can do ANYTHING. Especially doing zero stock launches. They don't lose anything if they only sell two 5090s. Will stay rich anyway because they're selling professional GPUs in millions units for millions more than they actually cost.

Want them to act decent, to act honest, create a danger for them. Make them scared. Outclass them. This is, ideally, AMD's job but they're having days off ever since.

- It is ALWAYS the customer's job. If NV makes a shitpile card like the 3050 and it outsells the substantially more performant and cheaper 6600 7:1, that's a customer problem not a competitiveness problem.

If NV is the only consumer GPU maker out there, and they deliver a steaming pile, it will be the cutomer's job to just sit it out until prices start to come down. Problem is customers aren't just customers anymore, they're consumers, they don't approach things objectively and instead come at a product with a lot of emotion and personality incorporated into the purchasing decision, which leads to situations like the OP's.

 

[Sound_Card]

TL: DR version, we were all played for fools by making us think we had a reasonable chance to score a 5090 card for this launch... Do better Nvidia, your supporters deserve better than this...

Incoming rant:
This has to be the worst GPU launch in history, in all my years as a PC gamer, I've never seen such low numbers of hardware available at "release date"
I was up at 5:30AM (west coast) and at 6 o'clock, literally all listings, except for BB's went from "coming soon" to OOT instantly.
There was never any allocation of AIB models, I was able to get in line at BB 3 times, the first time I was in line from 6:01AM to 9:36AM, holding the line, thinking any moment I would be able to purchase a card since I thought I had a good chance to score due to joining the cue the moment their FE 5090 page showed the yellow "add to cart" button, only to be kicked back to the product information landing page after hours of wait.
This is ridiculous, not only that, but Nvidia themselves didn't have a single card to sell, the actual manufacturer has no cards to offer? What kind of sad joke is this?
The only solace I have is knowing that everyone had the same experience I did, so I know I'm not alone, and unable to buy this card because I was too slow or got upended by scalpers.
I've been building PCs since 1993, and have purchased every single Nvidia card since the Riva TNT, going through the original GeForce 256 all the way up to my current 4090, sitting in a 9800X3D rig, and never before did I see such a mock up of a launch, what a disgrace from a multi trillion company.
Like mentioned before, my current rig is plenty competent, and I'm no hurry to replace my current GPU, but I find it really distasteful for the people in charge of this joke of a launch to fool everyone into sitting in front of our PCs or even worse, camping in the cold January weather, in hopes of scoring a 5090.
What a shameful release this has been.
I imagine people thinking that I'm an "entitled little brat" complaining about first world problems when there are so many real world issues happening right now, but nothing could be further from the truth, as someone who's about to turn 50, a father of two who works almost 60 hours a week to earn a living, seldomly have I seen a company play their most loyal costumers the way Nvidia just did.
We put this company in the map, by supporting their products from the very beginning, and this is how they repay us?
I've seen the videos of rows of boxes after rows of boxes full of 5090Ds sitting in warehouses ready for distribution in a more profitable market, and am fully aware of the fact that most of the resources from this company go to AI products now.
Throw us a freaking bone here, we are the reason this company is where it stands now, and we deserve better than this... for shame.
Sorry for the long rant, I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way, hope all of you guys can score a 5090 before the new tariffs kick in, and whatever you do, don't fall for the scalpers! Hold the line!

"I can't buy a 2k GPU, something something I'm entitled as a consumer to something"

All I pretty much read.

Imagine waiting in line 5 in the morning to drop money on a graphics card for a difference so trivial. I have no remorse for you or anyone else spending this money on useless junk, same goes for 9070xt's if it's priced over 500. You and your drudge have ruined PC gaming.

 

[Wirko]

Here's what you did wrong. Every time that you bought an Nvidia card, you should have spend another 5 percent of the card's price on that other product called NVDA. That's how you properly support a corporation AND yourself at the same time. A significant share of those $300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 would now be sitting in your pocket, and you'd have started today's TLDR in a much happier tone.

 

[mb194dc]

All totally intentional to justify the prices.

If they launch these cards with volume, the scalpers can't make money. Stock would sit on the shelves. Prices would fall.

There's such little benefit in these cards compared to prior generation.

So this is the strategy.

 

[Klemc]

Firsts things firsts, they shouln't even sell such things, 70 series are already too much for the common human, so that's what ihave to say to GreenVad!or

 

[N/A]

It's all oversold. If you get what you want in a week it wares off and you want the next model with the missing features. It a run on the banks ffs.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Well, I think it is entirely reasonable to expect that when a company releases a product, it will be available for customers to buy.

Nvidia, like almost all corporations, isn't your friend ...

That is true, but in dealing with customers, while making money, they can still behave honestly and give them fair value for their money.

When companies behave as nasty as they can, trying to extract every single dollar consumers are willing to pay for the product (in the situation of the lack of competition), they must be subjected to regulation. For example, they can be forced to sell goods at cost + some reasonable margin. Unfortunatelly, video cards as luxury goods are under the radar of politicians and nobody will probably bother to regulate producers of these goods.

 

[15th Warlock]

"I can't buy a 2k GPU, something something I'm entitled as a consumer to something"

All I pretty much read.

Imagine waiting in line 5 in the morning to drop money on a graphics card for a difference so trivial. I have no remorse for you or anyone else spending this money on useless junk, same goes for 9070xt's if it's priced over 500. You and your drudge have ruined PC gaming.

Thank you for your opinion, this tells me all I need to know.

Okay, you guys win, so sorry to have started this thread, been a member of this forum for many years, and never before was I met with such hostility.

Wish you all nothing but the best, and God bless, it was nice being part of this community for over 20 years, lots of good memories from these place and most of the forumites in it, you know who you are, I prefer to keep it that way.

15thWarlock signing off

 

[Macro Device]

- It is ALWAYS the customer's job. If NV makes a shitpile card like the 3050 and it outsells the substantially more performant and cheaper 6600 7:1, that's a customer problem not a competitiveness problem.

So you're courting people for what is essentially AMD's screw up on all fronts as if we're at fault that AMD GPUs don't offer killer features, don't offer superior value, don't offer superior power efficiency and so forth and essentially the only versus where it makes at least five percent sense to buy an AMD GPU is 3050 VS 6600 with the latter not convincingly destroying the former.

Doesn't work that way. You don't need to market yayo but need to market its substitutes. It's on AMD to engineer hardware that is better, to program software that is nicer and to market it thereafter because after decades of having less than impeccable reputation, your production won't sell on its own. What they did so far is releasing a whole lot of "leaks" and rumours.

Customers, ideally, gotta be aware. And they are. Picking a marginally faster GPU over a substantially more polished one feels immature. And it is. Unless your only goal is to play select games where nVidia's exclusive features don't matter. Buying an inferior product just out of spite doesn't achieve anything.

 

[bpgt64]

Thank you for your opinion, this tells me all I need to know.

Okay, you guys win, so sorry to have started this thread, been a member of this forum for many years, and never before was I met with such hostility.

Wish you all nothing but the best, and God bless, 15thWarlock signing off, it was nice being part of this community for almost 20 years.

I understand what you are saying I think. As someone who now enjoys building more than gaming. It's sort of disheartening to feel like you don't even have a shot at launch day anymore. We enjoy planning, picking parts, building the system. Getting just to way we want it, benchmarking and the like.

It's not about being idolizing or venerating any of these companies, it's a distinct lack of accountability or competition. It's frustration that AMD hasn't presented a top of stack competitor in the GPU space. So Nvidia can do pretty much what ever they want.

The problem is the only means for accountability now is the one thing the market won't do. Reject Nvidia's pricing bullshit. It's going to take AMD or Intel kicking them in the balls.

Seeing the "Influencer Crowd" all drive the hype train, because it's how they make money. I swear more Influencers, got 5090s than there were stocked a Microcenter in the US.

 

[AnotherReader]

Thank you for your opinion, this tells me all I need to know.

Okay, you guys win, so sorry to have started this thread, been a member of this forum for many years, and never before was I met with such hostility.

Wish you all nothing but the best, and God bless, 15thWarlock signing off, it was nice being part of this community for almost 20 years.

Don't let some hostile opinions drive you off. I believe most of us agree that Nvidia could have done a better job ensuring availability at launch, but I think you also need to temper your expectations. Nvidia , like most corporations, only cares about you to the extent of getting your money and now that they are getting far more money elsewhere, you and I are unimportant.

 

[the54thvoid]

Thank you for your opinion, this tells me all I need to know.

Okay, you guys win, so sorry to have started this thread, been a member of this forum for many years, and never before was I met with such hostility.

Wish you all nothing but the best, and God bless, 15thWarlock signing off, it was nice being part of this community for almost 20 years.

Pay them no heed.

But, to be worded differently, your post simply says:

One of the world's most valuable companies doesn't seem to care about the backbone that built its fortune, and has shown its true colours by pumping the stock, at the same time as pumping its loyal base.

 

[AnotherReader]

So you're courting people for what is essentially AMD's screw up on all fronts as if we're at fault that AMD GPUs don't offer killer features, don't offer superior value, don't offer superior power efficiency and so forth and essentially the only versus where it makes at least five percent sense to buy an AMD GPU is 3050 VS 6600 with the latter not convincingly destroying the former.

Doesn't work that way. You don't need to market yayo but need to market its substitutes. It's on AMD to engineer hardware that is better, to program software that is nicer and to market it thereafter because after decades of having less than impeccable reputation, your production won't sell on its own. What they did so far is releasing a whole lot of "leaks" and rumours.

Customers, ideally, gotta be aware. And they are. Picking a marginally faster GPU over a substantially more polished one feels immature. And it is. Unless your only goal is to play select games where nVidia's exclusive features don't matter. Buying an inferior product just out of spite doesn't achieve anything.

Umm the 3050 vs the 6600 isn't the best example for your thesis.