In regards to the 5090 "launch" a message to Nvidia, from a long time supporter

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Hey why you un-launched your first post. Not fair. Deserve has nothing to do with it. I feel your pain. Forgive this. Reminded me of my first 8800 GT that I had no issues getting but it was a single slot and died.

Here is a novel idea, you can support the site. Oh well.

 

[Dragam1337]

The key difference now though is even if AMD became respectable again consistently Nvidia sell to large corporations willing to spend 8000-10000 for a 90 class card with extra memory. Most their focus is B100/200 and let's be real nobody should be mad at them for that if I could make 30k per gpu or 2k I know what I'm picking.

So while I'm bummed by the generational improvements and annoyed with the direction these companies are going in I'm not nieve either to think I'm the center of the gpu world but at the end of the day until one of these companies offers me 60-70% more performance at a price I'm ok with they can suck my ××××.

As i see it the biggest issue now for amd (and getting customers to buy amd) is that nvidia has been sorta successful in creating an ecosystem, where you are kinda forced to use nvidia for the features - kinda obvious to see that their inspiration for their market model is apple.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

As i see it the biggest issue now for amd (and getting customers to buy amd) is that nvidia has been sorta successful in creating an ecosystem, where you are kinda forced to use nvidia for the features - kinda obvious to see that their inspiration for their market model is apple.

Yeah, also they want to be Nvidia really badly but cannot. So even if they started getting wins pricing wouldn't be necessarily better although perfomance might be and that's what matters.

 

[Dragam1337]

I would go even further back to 2007 and say the 8800 Ultra being priced at $830 was a harbinger that many failed to heed. This is the equivalent of $1,263.38 today and it was in a day when even leading edge nodes were priced at $5000 per wafer. The 8800 Ultra, on the other hand, was on a mature 90 nm node that had already been supplanted by the 80 nm node. The only reason we didn't see this earlier is that AMD competed until the launch of Pascal.

You are right - however, the situation was different in that 8800 gtx had 95% of the performance of the 8800 ultra at like half the price. So the 8800 ultra was a product that was purely for people with more money than reason, as it was also launched quite a bit later than 8800 gtx.

Quite different to the situation now. I think most would agree it would have been fine if they had a very good line up in regards to performance and price, and then just 1 halo product that is 10% faster and being sold for silly money, cause then 99% of people would just get the 8800 gtx of our day, rather than the 8800 ultra

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You are right - however, the situation was different in that 8800 gtx had 95% of the performance of the 8800 ultra at like half the price. So the 8800 ultra was a product that was purely for people with more money than reason, as it was also launched quite a bit later than 8800 gtx.

Quite different to the situation now. I think most would agree it would have been fine if they had a very good line up in regards to performance and price, and then just 1 halo product that is 10% faster and being sold for silly money, cause then 99% of people would just get the 8800 gtx of our day, rather than the 8800 ultra

It's why I mentioned 2018 they really pushed needing to spend significantly more to get a meaningful uplift and pricing got pushed up a tier.

 

[Dragam1337]

It's why I mentioned 2018 they really pushed needing to spend significantly more to get a meaningful uplift and pricing got pushed up a tier.

Yeah, i would argue it happened already with kepler in 2012 though, where they were selling the mid tier gk104 chip as the 680 (and at roughly same price as previous x80 cards), and then you had to pay silly money (by that times standards) for the titan, which was only gpu that got the big chip, and was 50% faster than the 680.

With the kepler refresh 700 series you got the big chip in the 780, but it was cut down alot, and only 3gb vram, which was already a limiting factor at that point.

But give the 5090 the titan name, and it's exactly the same situation as with the 600 series, just even crazier prices.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

AMD's screw up on all fronts as if we're at fault that AMD GPUs don't offer killer features

You eat Nvidia graphics cards "killer" features for breakfast, lunch and dinner and this is most important thing? No way you to buy AMD graphics card because will be hungry with it.