RTX 5080 - premature review - it sucks

[wolf]

Speaking of price, that's another reason why I wouldn't buy a 5080 right now. When a company releases a cut-down GPU for $1200, then the full version of the same die for $200 less a year later, they lose all credibility regarding the justification of their prices in my eyes. I'm pretty sure lots of GB202 and 203 chips are being held back for the Super cards coming next year, hence the "shortage".

That being said This card isn't meant for 4080 users it's squarely aimed at you 3080 buyers.

The crappy thing is you could have gotten most of that performance increase 1-2 years ago......

The markets just so cooked right now, I can get riled up about it and decide to buy something, or not. Inflation is cooked, parts costs are cooked, but it is what it is. I am after an uplift over my 3080 which the 5080 would give. Hindsight is 20 20 right, knowing what I know now, I probably would have upgraded even sooner. Ahh well.

 

[JustBenching]

Not just more cache, but lower clock speed as well. It's made for an entirely different purpose in mind. You can't say the same about the 4080 and 4080S.


Then why are you skipping a card that was actually a much better value? Why only compare to the worse one?


Because AMD gave you similar raster performance for $200 less.


Not having any competition (yet) doesn't justify what we see here.

The 4080 was a great value card cause it gave you vastly more rt performance than the competition. See I can play that game too. All of that spinning just to avoid comparing the 5080 to the 4080. Man.. come on.

 

[Hecate91]

Not having any competition (yet) doesn't justify what we see here.

This. And I'm not even sure why the competition needs to be brought up, Nvidia doesn't care what AMD does neither do most people buying a GPU.
The 4080 was a terrible value comparing it to the $700 MSRP 3080, even comparing the 4080 to the 5080 it isn't the sort of uplift anyone should be expecting. It really is sad to to see people going "uuh actually it's 16% faster" basically applauding the same sort of stagnation that Intel did for years.

 

[AusWolf]

The 4080 was a great value card cause it gave you vastly more rt performance than the competition. See I can play that game too. All of that spinning just to avoid comparing the 5080 to the 4080. Man.. come on.

Ah the RT argument! Because if a card can do RT, it's worth infinite money, obviously.

I still don't know why on earth you'd exclude the better value card that came at the same price as the 5080 from the comparison against the 5080 itself besides desperately trying to show Nvidia in a slightly better light. See? I can play your game, too.

The markets just so cooked right now, I can get riled up about it and decide to buy something, or not. Inflation is cooked, parts costs are cooked, but it is what it is. I am after an uplift over my 3080 which the 5080 would give. Hindsight is 20 20 right, knowing what I know now, I probably would have upgraded even sooner. Ahh well.

The market being cooked doesn't mean we shouldn't try to uncook it by voting with our wallets, or at least voicing our opinion. We are the market, after all.

 

[wolf]

The market being cooked doesn't mean we shouldn't try to uncook it by voting with our wallets, or at least voicing our opinion. We are the market, after all.

Of all the things I can effect, the global GPU market isn't one of them imo. This is a situation where I'll do what I need to do for myself and my own needs. I try in multiple other areas to effect community change, help people, give back etc. I work in public service too and thoroughly enjoy contributing.

I can certainly voice my opinion that the uplift is underwhelming over a 4080, and give friends and family bespoke purchase advice, but when the moment comes to choose what I want to replace my 3080 with, which will be soon as I'm not keen to wait 6, 12 maybe even more months for refreshes etc, I'll choose from what's available and pay what I'm comfortable with for a product I want.

 

[Dragam1337]

The other option I guess is to look at the mid-low end and used GPU market.

RTX 3060 is a solid GPU and really just overall good for 1080p and 1440p. I have a few of them. RTX 3070 used can also be really good for mid 1440p. I know some will disagree because of 8gb but the 8gb limit isn't really all that limiting unless trying to play on high/ultra and that isn't gonna happen with a 3070 anyway or the 3060 with more vram. If you snag a 3080 12gb for decent price then thats awesome. AMD side, the 6800/XT and 6700XT are fantastic still.

Problem is, that isn't new. Buying new right now feels like a scam. Intel would have had it right if it wasn't for their driver overhead issues with slower CPU's.

Not only is 3060 not new, it's 4 years old. It's buying a product you have no idea how long have left - it could die literally the next day.

 

[JustBenching]

Ah the RT argument! Because if a card can do RT, it's worth infinite money, obviously.

I still don't know why on earth you'd exclude the better value card that came at the same price as the 5080 from the comparison against the 5080 itself besides desperately trying to show Nvidia in a slightly better light. See? I can play your game, too.

If a card can do rt better it's worth more money than one that can't. Self explanatory. A faster gpu is faster and therefore worth more.

Why I'm comparing to the 4080? For the same reason I compared the 4080 to the 3080 and concluded it's crap instead of comparing it to the 3080ti and concluding it's great.

 

[freeagent]

Why the compulsion to spend?

I was speaking hypothetically.

 

[Vayra86]

Nvidias pricing and the scalping has considerably changed that dynamic. Sub 200 usd gpus are a thing of the past, which was previously what was sold in by far the largest quantities, cause it's what "the masses" could afford. It's why 1060 remained top of steam chart for many years. What is being sold now at 300 usd is utter garbage.

Living in a bubble of wealth might make it hard relate to, but in many eastern european countries people on average earn about 500 usd per month pre taxes.

No, the dynamic is the same, people just don't wanna hear it.

Yes, things get more expensive and no, you can't buy everything you could in the golden age of fossil. Its gonna get worse. There's one planet, there's more people, and they all want shiny things. Some people think things can keep on giving, but everyone knows deep down that shit ain't happening, its an illusion that we can play out for each other for a long time, until that illusion gets shattered. We're in the shattering age.

Even simple things like water are in high demand. And you think your chip can't get more expensive? Dream on

If you want to fix this, rob the rich instead of making them richer. This means, don't buy things you don't need and let go of your way of looking at things that you are entitled to anything because at one point you could. Alternatively, you can not do that and cling to an old world, like the US is trying today.

 

[Dragam1337]

No, the dynamic is the same, people just don't wanna hear it.

Yes, things get more expensive and no, you can't buy everything you could in the golden age of fossil. Its gonna get worse. There's one planet, there's more people, and they all want shiny things. Some people think things can keep on giving, but everyone knows deep down that shit ain't happening, its an illusion that we can play out for each other for a long time, until that illusion gets shattered. We're in the shattering age.

Even simple things like water are in high demand. And you think your chip can't get more expensive? Dream on

You say you don't agree, and then you proceed to agree with me we can argue about who or what are the cause for things changing, but things deffo have changed in the last 10 years, and pc gaming is on a fast-track to becoming a niche hobby again, but this time for the very wealthy rather than nerds

 

[Vayra86]

You say you don't agree, and then you proceed to agree with me we can argue about who or what are the cause for things changing, but things deffo have changed in the last 10 years, and pc gaming is on a fast-track to becoming a niche hobby again, but this time for the very wealthy rather than nerds

But its not. You are thinking too small and too short term here.

The dynamic is: you buy what lies within reach.

When RT is not in reach for people, they will not keep buying into it.
Gaming though, isn't in the shitter. I can game on a Steam Deck, an APU using 15W, and its fun as it's ever been.
PC Gaming is DEFINITELY not in the shitter, as you can still build a cheap gaming PC just fine, and again, it all depends what you're targeting, again, you can do this with the bottom line APU or you can blow 700+ on a dGPU to have your rays traced for you. Nice added bonus today is that there's not two, but three companies releasing product for the low-mid range.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the cost of RT is the real question of whether it'll gain traction and be a thing. Three things can happen: either GPUs get cheaper again (lmao)... or RT gets easier to run/cut down so much it becomes easy to run (very likely)... or RT will die a slow and agonizing death as the Nvidia fanbase dwindles and what's left of RT is some hack job you can run on a phone (likely true for a large segment of the gaming market).

But what'll likely happen first is people will just 'feel forced' to postpone upgrades. They ain't 'not' upgrading because reviews tell them the gap is too small and the cost too high; but when the wallet is also empty it becomes a pretty hard sell. So what do you do? You save money. You upgrade less often. You're still gaming.

 

[AusWolf]

Of all the things I can effect, the global GPU market isn't one of them imo. This is a situation where I'll do what I need to do for myself and my own needs. I try in multiple other areas to effect community change, help people, give back etc. I work in public service too and thoroughly enjoy contributing.

You can affect the GPU market because you are a part of it. You can always decide to not buy a product that you consider bad value. If it means sticking it out with your 3080 a bit longer, then that's it. A lot of folks around the world aren't even that fortunate, and game on used RX 470s and such. We're talking about a hobby here, not food or water.

I can certainly voice my opinion that the uplift is underwhelming over a 4080, and give friends and family bespoke purchase advice, but when the moment comes to choose what I want to replace my 3080 with, which will be soon as I'm not keen to wait 6, 12 maybe even more months for refreshes etc, I'll choose from what's available and pay what I'm comfortable with for a product I want.

Fair enough.

If a card can do rt better it's worth more money than one that can't. Self explanatory. A faster gpu is faster and therefore worth more.

How much more? $200 more? That's the price of a whole GPU for some people. I do not agree that RT is worth that much one bit.

Why I'm comparing to the 4080? For the same reason I compared the 4080 to the 3080 and concluded it's crap instead of comparing it to the 3080ti and concluding it's great.

Why not compare to the entire product stack / the better value products of last gen if you have the chance?

 

[JustBenching]

Why not compare to the entire product stack / the better value products of last gen if you have the chance?

Because youll reach 0 conclusions doing that. Was the 4080 a good generational uplift? If you compare it to the 3080ti, yes, it was great (and extra vram), but why would you do that? You compare it to the 3080 and it doesn't look that great anymore. The same way you compare the 5080 to the 4080.

 

[Vayra86]

things deffo have changed in the last 10 years

I don't know man... PC gaming is undergoing constant change. Perhaps change is the actual normal. I mean, look at the way graphics evolve. Its not a linear thing. There's been long periods of 'stagnation' or, one could say, refinement of what technology was there, and those graphically stagnant periods were usually the ones were gameplay took the front seat more than graphics. They have been alternated by jumps forward in the APIs and technologies in consoles that allowed developers to market games with those new techs for large enough audiences, and we're in one of those now, while we are in one of stagnation and refinement, but then in the sense of non-RT graphics - look at how many 'hand drawn' looking games there are now, for example. The full breadth of what's possible with new techs is explored but lots of devs are also caught in their 'engine of choice', and its not always UE that adds some graphical flair.

And in terms of graphics cards purchases... we had far rougher times. Small advances for huge expenses are not new. Looking back perhaps even those earliest days were the hardest, I mean you spent on hardware but what could you actually play on it? A handful of games. Some of very limited scope. The novelty is what made it work.

Honestly today there's so much hardware out there, its almost hard NOT to get your hands on some kind of gaming capable device. It starts with phones, even though I question what gaming that really is, but let's face it, we're spoiled AF.

*was going to edit but others had posted and this is another angle

 

[AusWolf]

Because youll reach 0 conclusions doing that. Was the 4080 a good generational uplift? If you compare it to the 3080ti, yes, it was great (and extra vram), but why would you do that? You compare it to the 3080 and it doesn't look that great anymore. The same way you compare the 5080 to the 4080.

That's why I compare to the best value product of last gen, not a cherry picked one based on a meaningless model name.

I don't know man... PC gaming is undergoing constant change. Perhaps change is the actual normal. I mean, look at the way graphics evolve. Its not a linear thing. There's been long periods of 'stagnation' or, one could say, refinement of what technology was there, and those graphically stagnant periods were usually the ones were gameplay took the front seat more than graphics. They have been alternated by jumps forward in the APIs and technologies in consoles that allowed developers to market games with those new techs for large enough audiences, and we're in one of those now, while we are in one of stagnation and refinement, but then in the sense of non-RT graphics - look at how many 'hand drawn' looking games there are now, for example. The full breadth of what's possible with new techs is explored but lots of devs are also caught in their 'engine of choice', and its not always UE that adds some graphical flair.

And in terms of graphics cards purchases... we had far rougher times. Small advances for huge expenses are not new. Looking back perhaps even those earliest days were the hardest, I mean you spent on hardware but what could you actually play on it? A handful of games. Some of very limited scope. The novelty is what made it work.

Honestly today there's so much hardware out there, its almost hard NOT to get your hands on some kind of gaming capable device. It starts with phones, even though I question what gaming that really is, but let's face it, we're spoiled AF.

*was going to edit but others had posted and this is another angle

As we learned during the Intel quad-core era, stagnation isn't bad - you can keep your hardware longer.

 

[Vayra86]

As we learned during the Intel quad-core era, stagnation isn't bad - you can keep your hardware longer.

Precisely, stagnation is only bad if you feel like overall performance in games is shit. That is why RT exists; to make you feel bad about your purchase and urge you to get more.

That's precisely why I'm not buying into it yet. I buy things to be happy, and not tied to another purchase to maintain the happiness. Its the same reason I've always lagged behind a gen or two with for example display resolution and I'll not likely be going 4K anytime soon. You're just making your own life harder; it ain't better, it ain't more fun, you're not more competitive... you even play the exact same content... its all BS, a figment of imagination.

 

[Dragam1337]

But its not. You are thinking too small and too short term here.

The dynamic is: you buy what lies within reach.

When RT is not in reach for people, they will not keep buying into it.
Gaming though, isn't in the shitter. I can game on a Steam Deck, an APU using 15W, and its fun as it's ever been.
PC Gaming is DEFINITELY not in the shitter, as you can still build a cheap gaming PC just fine, and again, it all depends what you're targeting, again, you can do this with the bottom line APU or you can blow 700+ on a dGPU to have your rays traced for you. Nice added bonus today is that there's not two, but three companies releasing product for the low-mid range.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the cost of RT is the real question of whether it'll gain traction and be a thing. Three things can happen: either GPUs get cheaper again (lmao)... or RT gets easier to run/cut down so much it becomes easy to run (very likely)... or RT will die a slow and agonizing death as the Nvidia fanbase dwindles and what's left of RT is some hack job you can run on a phone.

But what'll likely happen first is people will just 'feel forced' to postpone upgrades. They ain't 'not' upgrading because reviews tell them the gap is too small and the cost too high; but when the wallet is also empty it becomes a pretty hard sell. So what do you do? You save money. You upgrade less often. You're still gaming.

Obviously gaming as a whole is not in the shitter - mobile gaming is bigger than all other forms of gaming combined now, and that is largely due to cost - people dont have to fork out extra money for a gaming system. There are tons of people playing path of titans on phones, (one of the few games that is crossplatform across truly every platform), precisly cause they cant afford anything else.

While you can get a gaming pc that is cheapER, at certain point you might aswell not spend the money on it, and get a console instead. And we are quickly reaching that point for many people. I know several people who bought a ps5 instead of a gaming pc, despite having been pc gamers for nearly their entire lives precisly due to this reason. When you reach apu level of graphics power, then the gaming experience will in many instances be... bad. Unless all you do is play lightweight indie games. For instance the gpu in a ps5 is roughly equivelant to a 6700xt, and the price of both is nearly the same, but then you still gotta buy the rest of the pc. So as pc prices proceeds to skyrocket, and the world about to enter a global tradewar (with the inevitable recession to follow), i do see pc gaming becoming a niche for the wealthy in the near future. But perhaps this is what nvidia is banking on? Getting people on geforce now subscriptions instead...

I think RT is a massive gimmick aswell - i've said it many times aswell. It will always come at a huge performance cost, and it's the first thing people choose to turn off. On top of that no one wants to run it in multiplayer games, and as the most played games are multiplayer games, it will never get any true traction. You have it as tech demos in cyberpunk, alan awake and metro exodus - wuhu. But i don't think rt has any real impact on the future of pc gaming - nvidia margins at most.

I don't know man... PC gaming is undergoing constant change. Perhaps change is the actual normal. I mean, look at the way graphics evolve. Its not a linear thing. There's been long periods of 'stagnation' or, one could say, refinement of what technology was there, and those graphically stagnant periods were usually the ones were gameplay took the front seat more than graphics. They have been alternated by jumps forward in the APIs and technologies in consoles that allowed developers to market games with those new techs for large enough audiences, and we're in one of those now, while we are in one of stagnation and refinement, but then in the sense of non-RT graphics - look at how many 'hand drawn' looking games there are now, for example. The full breadth of what's possible with new techs is explored but lots of devs are also caught in their 'engine of choice', and its not always UE that adds some graphical flair.

And in terms of graphics cards purchases... we had far rougher times. Small advances for huge expenses are not new. Looking back perhaps even those earliest days were the hardest, I mean you spent on hardware but what could you actually play on it? A handful of games. Some of very limited scope. The novelty is what made it work.

Honestly today there's so much hardware out there, its almost hard NOT to get your hands on some kind of gaming capable device. It starts with phones, even though I question what gaming that really is, but let's face it, we're spoiled AF.

*was going to edit but others had posted and this is another angle

"Looking back perhaps even those earliest days were the hardest, I mean you spent on hardware but what could you actually play on it? A handful of games. Some of very limited scope. The novelty is what made it work." If you are talking about the 90's, then true - but that situation was hardly comparable to today. In the 2000's it a completely different ballgame - plenty of games, and big gains every gen, and significantly more reasonable prices. Like the 8800 gtx being more than twice as fast as 7900 gtx and still being fairly reasonable priced, so you could play crysis and the likes of it those were the days !

 

[AusWolf]

Obviously gaming as a whole is not in the shitter - mobile gaming is bigger than all other forms of gaming combined now, and that is largely due to cost - people dont have to fork out extra money for a gaming system. There are tons of people playing path of titans on phones, (one of the few games that is crossplatform across truly every platform), precisly cause they cant afford anything else.

While you can get a gaming pc that is cheapER, at certain point you might aswell not spend the money on it, and get a console instead. And we are quickly reaching that point for many people. I know several people who bought a ps5 instead of a gaming pc, despite having been pc gamers for nearly their entire lives precisly due to this reason. When you reach apu level of graphics power, then the gaming experience will in many instances be... bad. Unless all you do is play lightweight indie games. For instance the gpu in a ps5 is roughly equivelant to a 6700xt, and the price of both is nearly the same, but then you still gotta buy the rest of the pc. So as prices pc proceeds to skyrocket, and the world about to enter a global tradewar (with the inevitable recession to follow), i do see pc gaming becoming a niche for the wealthy in the near future. But perhaps this is what nvidia is banking on? Getting people on geforce now subscriptions instead...

I think RT is a massive gimmick aswell - i've said it many times aswell. It will always come at a huge performance cost, and it's the first thing people choose to turn off. On top of that no one wants to run it in multiplayer games, and as the most played games are multiplayer games, it will never get any true traction. You have it as tech demos in cyberpunk, alan awake and metro exodus - wuhu. But i don't think rt has any real impact on the future of pc gaming - nvidia margins at most.



"Looking back perhaps even those earliest days were the hardest, I mean you spent on hardware but what could you actually play on it? A handful of games. Some of very limited scope. The novelty is what made it work." If you are talking about the 90's, then true - but that situation was hardly comparable to today. In the 2000's it a completely different ballgame - plenty of games, and big gains every gen, and significantly more reasonable prices. Like the 8800 gtx being more than twice as fast as 7900 gtx and still being fairly reasonable priced, so you could play crysis and the likes of it those were the days !

All I have to add is indie gaming is where I see the future. The disappointment in AAA from big studios is at an unprecedented level. And when you realise that those AAA games make up maybe 5% of all the titles out there, the world opens in front of your eyes.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Because youll reach 0 conclusions doing that. Was the 4080 a good generational uplift? If you compare it to the 3080ti, yes, it was great (and extra vram), but why would you do that? You compare it to the 3080 and it doesn't look that great anymore. The same way you compare the 5080 to the 4080.

While the 4080 looks terrible vs the 3080 that solely has to do with msrp which almost nobody actually got it for it offered a nice generational improvement otherwise.

If the 5080 was replacing the 4070ti and not the 4080 it would look substantially better even at a slight price bump to lets say 849 which should've been possible.

Still it's not like anyone is actually going to compete with the 5080 also the 5070ti likely isn't going to be much slower and 250 usd cheaper so it is what it is.

Who cares if the 5080 sucks it's the only option at 1000 usd for anyone coming from 6000/3000 series if you want somthing better than last generation.

All I have to add is indie gaming is where I see the future. The disappointment in AAA from big studios is at an unprecedented level. And when you realise that those AAA games make up maybe 5% of all the titles out there, the world opens in front of your eyes.

The sad thing is the games I'm enjoying the most are remakes and remasters or expansions lately.... I've never liked indie games and can't remember the last one that actually looked interesting to me anyways.


The next game that might make me want to buy hardware for is probably The Witcher 4

 

[Dragam1337]

While the 4080 looks terrible vs the 3080 that solely has to do with msrp which almost nobody actually got it for it offered a nice generational improvement otherwise.

If the 5080 was replacing the 4070ti and not the 4080 it would look substantially better even at a slight price bump to lets say 849 which should've been possible.

Still it's not like anyone is actually going to compete with the 5080 also the 5070ti likely isn't going to be much slower and 250 usd cheaper so it is what it is.

Who cares if the 5080 sucks it's the only option at 1000 usd for anyone coming from 6000/3000 series if you want somthing better than last generation.



The sad thing is the games I'm enjoying the most are remakes and remasters or expansions lately.... I've never liked indie games and can't remember the last one that actually looked interesting to me anyways.


The next game that might make me want to buy hardware for is probably The Witcher 4

Yep, same - not interested in indie games. Witcher 4 is only new game im looking forward too. Though i am quite looking forward to witcher 1 remake

 

[JustBenching]

Still it's not like anyone is actually going to compete with the 5080

Haven't you heard? Latest story from the amd camp, the XTX is faster than the 5080.....

Spider-Man 2 Performance Benchmark

The 12GB and the 16GB (4070, 4080 etc.)will not save you because the cars will run out of juice first (see Indiana Jones PT) and then out of vram. I don’t see the point having a truckload of vram when the actual arch does not let you run demanding RT or PT. And I repeat that more and more games...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Haven't you heard? Latest story from the amd camp, the XTX is faster than the 5080.....

Spider-Man 2 Performance Benchmark

The 12GB and the 16GB (4070, 4080 etc.)will not save you because the cars will run out of juice first (see Indiana Jones PT) and then out of vram. I don’t see the point having a truckload of vram when the actual arch does not let you run demanding RT or PT. And I repeat that more and more games...

www.techpowerup.com

Max settings in Indiana Jones is a stutter fest on a 5080 also at 4k you got to drop the texture setting or else it gets like 3fps lmao.... The thing is in that game it would actually be playable otherwise.

 

[Dragam1337]

All I have to add is indie gaming is where I see the future. The disappointment in AAA from big studios is at an unprecedented level. And when you realise that those AAA games make up maybe 5% of all the titles out there, the world opens in front of your eyes.

AAA games has increasingly sucked in recent years due to many of them focusing on agendas or chasing trends, instead of just focusing on making good games.
Fortunately we pc gamers now get the playstation games, but otherwise it would have been dire in recent years.

Indie games just doesn't appeal to me tbh - i much prefer big epic AAA games like witcher 3 and red dead redemption 2

 

[oxrufiioxo]

AAA games has increasingly sucked in recent years due to many of them focusing on agendas or chasing trends, instead of just focusing on making good games.
Fortunately we pc gamers now get the playstation games, but otherwise it would have been dire in recent years.

Indie games just doesn't appeal to me tbh - i much prefer big epic AAA games like witcher 3 and red dead redemption 2

The problem is games like those take 5+ years it might be 7-8 years for Witcher 4 post CP2077 that Nvidia has been showing at every conference for the last 3-4 years lmao

 

[Dragam1337]

The problem is games like those take 5+ years it might be 7-8 years for Witcher 4 post CP2077 that Nvidia has been showing at every conference for the last 3-4 years lmao

True, but those good games still make bank - customers do reward good products.
Same with hogwarts legacy, eventhough some were trying to sabortage it for not following the agenda - people still bought it in huge numbers.

But yeah, in the last 5 years, i can count on 1 hand the amount of good AAA games that weren't Playstation games.