RTX 5080 - premature review - it sucks

[AusWolf]

AAA games has increasingly sucked in recent years due to many of them focusing on agendas or chasing trends, instead of just focusing on making good games.

Also on being big, being full of content instead of any of that content being any good. Large open maps with nothing to do. Endless fetch quests. Boring, meaningless running around. That's what AAA is these days.

Indie games just doesn't appeal to me tbh - i much prefer big epic AAA games like witcher 3 and red dead redemption 2

Those are great games! The Witcher series is my all-time favourite. If that was what AAA gaming is even now, I'd say fair enough.

As for indies, I think I should specify. I wasn't talking about games that Joe put together in a weekend in his dad's garage. More like titles like Abzu, Stray, or even The Talos Principle (in a way that it's not an AAA game in the strict sense). I've had way more fun playing these kind of games lately than AAA titles.

 

[Dragam1337]

Also on being big, being full of content instead of any of that content being any good. Large open maps with nothing to do. Endless fetch quests. Boring, meaningless running around. That's what AAA is these days.


Those are great games! The Witcher series is my all-time favourite. If that was what AAA gaming is even now, I'd say fair enough.

As for indies, I think I should specify. I wasn't talking about games that Joe put together in a weekend in his dad's garage. More like titles like Abzu, Stray, or even The Talos Principle (in a way that it's not an AAA game in the strict sense). I've had way more fun playing these kind of games lately than AAA titles.

Sadly too true... the ubisoft formula. But it looks like they are either improving considerably, or going the way of the dodo.

Same ! Still have the witcher 3 soundtrack running in my head daily

Ahh, ok - yeah i wouldn't have considered those indie games. I played both stray and talos principle 2 - good games. Maybe AA games though ?

 

[redeye]

It is totally a regional thing. 7900XTX is almost 1600 for me, plus tax.

what model?… Canada computers has a 7900xtx for 1299 (approximately)… in Coquitlam, BC…

 

[AusWolf]

Sadly too true... the ubisoft formula. But it looks like they are either improving considerably, or going the way of the dodo.

It's rather the latter the way I see it.

Same ! Still have the witcher 3 soundtrack running in my head daily

Same, just with The Witcher 1. Temple District at night, hmm! And I admit, I'm waiting for The Witcher 1 remake even more than The Witcher 4.

Ahh, ok - yeah i wouldn't have considered those indie games. I played both stray and talos principle 2 - good games. Maybe AA games though ?

Ok, AA, or just A, whatevs.

 

[Dragam1337]

It's rather the latter the way I see it.


Same, just with The Witcher 1. Temple District at night, hmm! And I admit, I'm waiting for The Witcher 1 remake even more than The Witcher 4.


Ok, AA, or just A, whatevs.

Yep, hard to see them changing their ways after this many years - they have just been about bloat for more than 10 years at this point. If it's true that everything is riding on ac shadows being a success, then they might aswell hold the farewell party now.

Me too I reaaaaally hope they make a faithful remake, and don't sanitize it.

Yeah, something inbetween indie and AAA games. It's what i've mostly been playing aswell in recent years, aside of playstation games.

 

[JustBenching]

Yep, hard to see them changing their ways after this many years - they have just been about bloat for more than 10 years at this point. If it's true that everything is riding on ac shadows being a success, then they might aswell hold the farewell party now.

Me too I reaaaaally hope they make a faithful remake, and don't sanitize it.

Yeah, something inbetween indie and AAA games. It's what i've mostly been playing aswell in recent years, aside of playstation games.

Ubi and bio are dead already. Have been for many years, but soon it will be official.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ah the RT argument! Because if a card can do RT, it's worth infinite money, obviously.

You mock, but RTRT is a selling point. For the games that utilize it correctly, the results are stunning. So yes, the RTRT point is a valid one. Neither AMD nor Intel have the same level of performance NVidia offers. It's a very compelling factor in a buying choice.

 

[Dragam1337]

You mock, but RTRT is a selling point. For the games that utilize it correctly, the results are stunning. So yes, the RTRT point is a valid one. Neither AMD nor Intel have the same level of performance NVidia offers. It's a very compelling factor in a buying choice.

Largely depends on what kinda games you play. The vast majority of people only really play multiplayer games, where you essentially do not want to use rt.. more like lowest settings you can use.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

And will be for at least another two years - wild! 4.5 years at more or less the same level of performance around ~$1000 mark. If games continue to up the requirements at the same rate they do now, everyone and their dog will be using framegen, lol.

Maybe that's what Nvidia wants? Kinda makes you wonder....

 

[lexluthermiester]

Largely depends on what kinda games you play.

Um..

For the games that utilize it correctly, the results are stunning.

...yes, that is what I implied..

The vast majority of people only really play multiplayer games, where you essentially do not want to use rt.. more like lowest settings you can use.

That is an assumption on your part, a very poor one.

 

[Dragam1337]

That is an assumption on your part, a very poor one.

Yeah, super poor - it's totally not like multiplayer games like csgo are miles ahead of any singleplayer game on steam charts over how many people are playing the games.

 

[AusWolf]

You mock, but RTRT is a selling point. For the games that utilize it correctly, the results are stunning. So yes, the RTRT point is a valid one. Neither AMD nor Intel have the same level of performance NVidia offers. It's a very compelling factor in a buying choice.

Yes, at the same price or a little bit more. But for $200 (20%) more? I'd argue that (the comment was about 4080 vs 7900 XTX).

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yes, at the same price or a little bit more. But for $200 (20%) more? I'd argue that (the comment was about 4080 vs 7900 XTX).

When somebody is already paying 1k on a gpu it better be good at everything not just raster this is probably half the reason amd gave up in this segment.


If rdna4 is as good as the rumors amd is probably kicking themselves if a 9900XTX was 30% better tha. A 7900XTX and actually good at RT it would sell like hotcakes at 1k.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes, at the same price or a little bit more. But for $200 (20%) more?

The price is less the concern when someone just wants something.

I'd argue that (the comment was about 4080 vs 7900 XTX).

Because the thread is about the 5080? I'll admit I might have missed a finer point somewhere in that discussion..

 

[AusWolf]

The price is less the concern when someone just wants something.

Just wanting something is not a reason to forget about price and value. That's the dividing line between an educated consumer and an idiot.

Because the thread is about the 5080?

Yes. Check out the context of said conversation. In short, it began with comparing the 5080 to the 4080 or 4080S. I argued the 4080S makes more sense because the 4080 was bad value compared to the 7900 XTX.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That's the dividing line between an educated consumer and an idiot.

While that is a valid point, there is another class of buyer, Educated but doesn't care about the price as much as the features/performance. There are a lot of those types of buyers out there.

In short, it began with comparing the 5080 to the 4080 or 4080S. I argued the 4080S makes more sense because the 4080 was bad value compared to the 7900 XTX.

Fair enough. I did miss that in the exchange earlier..

 

[Vayra86]

Maybe that's what Nvidia wants? Kinda makes you wonder....

Obviously. Its the same trick as Netflix. You get used to it, but the subscription price rises faster than inflation. At some point you just feel you can't go without, but the price has exceeded your comfort zone.

 

[JustBenching]

Are we really arguing that 20% higher price for ~45% more RT performance is too much? I think that's cheap actually.

 

[AusWolf]

Are we really arguing that 20% higher price for ~45% more RT performance is too much?

Considering that RT isn't necessary to play 99% of games? Absolutely.

It's not cheap. It's called not paying for something you don't need.

 

[8tyone]

What is this?! What kind of improvement is this after 2,5 years?

Performance according to their terms. DLSS4 will have to be turned on.

 

[JustBenching]

Considering that RT isn't necessary to play 99% of games? Absolutely.

It's not cheap. It's called not paying for something you don't need.

High raster perofmenace isn't needed to play 99% of games either, a 300$ gpu plays most games just fine. That doesn't mean that the 1k$ xtx is expensive.

You don't buy a 1k high end gpu to play 99% of games that run just as well on a toaster.

 

[AusWolf]

High raster perofmenace isn't needed to play 99% of games either, a 300$ gpu plays most games just fine. That doesn't mean that the 1k$ xtx is expensive.

You don't buy a 1k high end gpu to play 99% of games that run just as well on a toaster.

Because your resolution and other graphical settings absolutely don't influence your performance, only RT does. Obviously.

Maybe we should stop here. Your arguments make less and less sense as this conversation keeps devolving.

 

[Vayra86]

High raster perofmenace isn't needed to play 99% of games either, a 300$ gpu plays most games just fine. That doesn't mean that the 1k$ xtx is expensive.

You don't buy a 1k high end gpu to play 99% of games that run just as well on a toaster.

You don't need to, you can cripple mid-to high end GPUs just fine on just raster these days all the same, especially at 4K but even below.

The world hasn't changed all that much really, we just have RT on top of it. Especially if you consider GPUs haven't gotten cheaper: there's really just another extra level of bullshit you can blow cash on. The picture you paint isn't the reality: the reality is that the majority is in the market for that $300,- GPU. In your high-end bubble a 45% uplift on RT perf is something to pay for. That's fine. But its not the overwhelming majority of the gaming market. Its a sliver of it. And even people who DO own a much more powerful GPU than a $300,- one are turning off RT in quite a few titles, quite simply because its just not worth it. Its quite telling if people who can actually run RT still turn it off in favor of 40% more FPS, or less heat and noise. It tells you RT is a gimmick (in those games) and/or the cost of it is still considered too high.

To each their own, they say, and I think it applies more and more to the gaming market. It is as predicted. If the cost of RT doesn't go down significantly, gen over gen, its not gaining traction, and devs won't force people into it. There are still just what, two? releases that really need some ray tracing all the time? What you might want to consider is why Nvidia is so keen on pulling your organs out one by one for upgrades when in fact they 'say' they have a lot riding on their RT push. I call it selective blindness if you cannot see the clusterfuck Nvidia is drawing you into, and how naive you are for buying into it. They designed this market reality for you. Its not the end of Moore's Law being the issue. Its Nvidia aggressively pushing that new frontier being the issue and reason chips 'must' get more expensive. You therefore also owe it to Nvidia for the divide you will see growing now and in the future. All gamers will be gaming regardless, whether with or without RT is a total and utter non issue. This, in a nutshell, is the other way to explain Nvidia's leading push on featureset. It is their strategy to actively keep you buying - not because it supports better games, heck the content doesn't even exist when they start pushing. They don't do this for you.

 

[InVasMani]

I feel like RT is moderately following the same general initial overhype path we saw with Physx and then developer regression and general lack of targeted implementation that a initial hype demonstrative push. Like looking PhysX today it's still not even close to what was projected. Like where are our hundreds of thousands of leaves that blow around and get kicked around and fall off tree's in games that add to the immersion factor? Like I can't think of a single game I've encountered that has done that on any significant level that was impressive at all in terms visual effect let alone done so in a manner that has minimal impact due to hardware acceleration.

 

[Frizz]

I feel like RT is moderately following the same general initial overhype path we saw with Physx and then developer regression and general lack of targeted implementation that a initial hype demonstrative push. Like looking PhysX today it's still not even close to what was projected. Like where are our hundreds of thousands of leaves that blow around and get kicked around and fall off tree's in games that add to the immersion factor? Like I can't think of a single game I've encountered that has done that on any significant level that was impressive at all in terms visual effect let alone done so in a manner that has minimal impact due to hardware acceleration.

I can't think of a game that I ever wanted RT on, I see it as an annoyance to performance. DLSS and Frame Gen seem good until you find out that its needed to run a cool game like Dragon's Dogma comfortably on 4k.

Most gamers are still on 1440p which 3060/4060 and up easily handles just by turning down some settings that barely impact gameplay and visual fidelity. I see alot of people arguing about online benchmarks and buying into social media opinions.. this isn't console gaming ffs, please stop assuming and basing every opinion on a benchmark with ULTRA settings.