NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Founders Edition

[Chomiq]

Keep telling yourself that...

I'm not defending the card, even if it had 30 GB of VRAM it would still not be a 4K card.

 

[londiste]

Keep telling yourself that...

Just check Techspot review:

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 Review

Nvidia hyped up the RTX 5070 as delivering RTX 4090-level performance for just $550, but the reality is far from it. Misleading marketing and not enough VRAM...

www.techspot.com

"RTX 4090 vs. RTX 5070
In reality, the RTX 4090 is, on average, 63% faster than the RTX 5070 across our 16-game sample at 1440p. But the deception gets even worse when we turn to ray tracing, as there are cases where the RTX 5070 doesn't work at all due to its much more limited 12GB VRAM buffer".

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The "doesn't work at all due to its much more limited 12GB VRAM buffer" is slightly funny when it is next to 7900XTX in that graph
True that VRAM size is holding the card back in this situation but still.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes, through a translation layer. How does that work these days?

From what I've seen, it seems to work fine.

Keep telling yourself that...

Just check Techspot review:

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 Review

Nvidia hyped up the RTX 5070 as delivering RTX 4090-level performance for just $550, but the reality is far from it. Misleading marketing and not enough VRAM...

www.techspot.com

"RTX 4090 vs. RTX 5070
In reality, the RTX 4090 is, on average, 63% faster than the RTX 5070 across our 16-game sample at 1440p. But the deception gets even worse when we turn to ray tracing, as there are cases where the RTX 5070 doesn't work at all due to its much more limited 12GB VRAM buffer".

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That is a single game example. Nice, narrow, cherry pick from ANOTHER site. If you're going to bother with a graph, at least be objective and show the game average graph. Such as;

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Founders Edition Review

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5070 comes at highly competitive pricing of $550 yet offers performance that rivals the much more expensive RTX 4070 Ti. In our review we found out that overclocking works extremely well on these cards and you'll be able to push it to the next tier with just some quick OC.

www.techpowerup.com

Yeah.

I'm not defending the card, even if it had 30 GB of VRAM it would still not be a 4K card.

While I'm with you on the not defending this disappointing card, less be honest shall we? If I can do 4k in a playable way on my 3080, this 5070 will have a easier time. Granted that is with some settings turned down or off, a few more than even I like. But it's doable.

 

[N/A]

Those cards with narrow buses and tiny buffers will exist, because the outside surface can only fit that many memory channels and the densities are lagging behind without something like piggybacked soldering so there's only a bad price. But with 18K per wafer not much can be done,
Ideally 5070 should have 10752 Cuda/256 bit and 5080 12288 both 400mm2 like the GTX 970/980 barring the 3.5 fiasco. sadly Nvidia is not willing to do that and keeps doing the same 6144 Cuda since 3070 and even 2080 super with dual issue shaders.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Perfectly understandable, I didn't take you for one of the less-informed "Nvidia is just better OK?!" buyers We can only hope that the 6000 series is a better showing for you to upgrade to at this point because the 5000 series has been, frankly, pathetic.

I'm looking at a 5070ti and it's tempting me. It's a solid improvement above my 3080 and about the same wattage. We'll see how availability turns out.

 

[Vayra86]

Appropriate choice.

Note also that by the time of the later movies they were fighting literal ass blasters. No, that is not a joke. The evolution of the evolution of a giant sandworm was a small biped with leathery wings, that flew by literally farting and igniting said flatulence to fly.


Seems oddly appropriate that Nvidia would be the ones to get high off of the smell of their own farts, and extend their dominance of the market by proposing that they use said farts to provide unlimited and impossible levels of energy.

MULTI FART GENERATION

 

[Quicks]

From what I've seen, it seems to work fine.

That is a single game example. Nice, narrow, cherry pick from ANOTHER site. If you're going to bother with a graph, at least be objective and show the game average graph. Such as;

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Founders Edition Review

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5070 comes at highly competitive pricing of $550 yet offers performance that rivals the much more expensive RTX 4070 Ti. In our review we found out that overclocking works extremely well on these cards and you'll be able to push it to the next tier with just some quick OC.

www.techpowerup.com

Yeah.


While I'm with you on the not defending this disappointing card, less be honest shall we? If I can do 4k in a playable way on my 3080, this 5070 will have a easier time. Granted that is with some settings turned down or off, a few more than even I like. But it's doable.

Well I was more referring to the 12GB VRAM that might not be so future proof. If games start to struggle now with 12GB in the next 2 years it might become a serious problem. That doesn't matter if you're playing 4K, 1440p or 1080p.

 

[Vayra86]

I'm looking at a 5070ti and it's tempting me. It's a solid improvement above my 3080 and about the same wattage. We'll see how availability turns out.

Not considering a 9070XT?

Looks like the better offer thus far...

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well I was more referring to the 12GB VRAM that might not be so future proof.

That depends highly on the game and resolution. Remember, most people(myself included currently because of scaling issues with 1440p) are still on 1080p. For that resolution, 12gb is more than enough and will be for a few years yet. So for those buyers, IF they can get one, the 5070 GPUs will be a solid upgrade to performance.

Not considering a 9070XT?

Looks like the better offer thus far...

Nope. As mentioned earlier, I'm "locked" into the NVidia side of things. I don't just game. Compute is important and AMD doesn't have any comparable options currently. However, I might just separate my gaming/compute rig into separate systems if AMD can pull out all the stops. Been thinking about that kind of move anyway. Often find the two tasks overlapping and it's getting cumbersome.

 

[N/A]

All that doesn't mean anything if 5070 cost $750 before taxes and we have to wait a while, months and years to verify there aren't any missing raster backend and slowly get down to MSRP. Only to have 6070 just around the corner and start all over.

 

[Quicks]

All that doesn't mean anything if 5070 cost $750 before taxes and we have to wait a while, months and years to verify there aren't any missing raster backend and slowly get down to MSRP. Only to have 6070 just around the corner and start all over.

Well one + point is that you will be able to sell your second hand card at MSRP 1.5 years after launch.

 

[Macro Device]

12GB VRAM that might not be so future proof

It's only a problem because dudes don't know how to go from "the pure embodiment of insanity" settings to something more reasonable. You still insist on using 77 gigapixel textures and 9 quadrillion poly models? You do you but it's not how it's intended to play video games. Screenshot them, perhaps, but not play.

For us 150+ FPS gamers it matters even less because settings allowing for such framerates usually are very democrat on VRAM and even 8 GB feels overengineered.

Game developers are also to blame. Waste management isn't the strongest of their suits.

NB: I still hate how the market flows. 550 USD for a GPU barely beating an xx80 Ti from five years ago is ridiculous. Street prices will make it the CEO of red flags.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ok, Jeff over at Craft Computing has some interesting, and mostly positive, perspectives to offer.

This info is making me rethink my own perspective. In reality, the 5070 beats out the 4070 and at more or less the same price.
Maybe the 5070 isn't so bad after all?

What do you all think?
Also;
"Skicty Sylines" Craft Computing March 2025

 

[Bwaze]

This info is making me rethink my own perspective. In reality, the 5070 beats out the 4070 and at more or less the say price.
Maybe the 5070 isn't so bad after all?

What do you all think?

Sure, let's just forget we got much higher generational uplifts, better price / performance and better efficiency in the past - that was the past, now is now, embrace your goldfish memory enthusiasm!

Also, it doesn't matter that you could get cards at MSRP in the past, and now it's just a fake marketing figure that nobody expects in stores any more - it's not so bad, compared to let's say cancer.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Oh, look, a 350$ card being callously scalped by nVidia for 200$ more.
We have a word in my country: " Is not a fool the one who asks, it's a fool the one that pays "

 

[Daven]

Ok, Jeff over at Craft Computing has some interesting, and mostly positive, perspectives to offer.

This info is making me rethink my own perspective. In reality, the 5070 beats out the 4070 and at more or less the say price.
Maybe the 5070 isn't so bad after all?

What do you all think?
Also;
"Skicty Sylines" Craft Computing March 2025

If you want to feel good about buying Nvidia, why bother going on the internet at all to read/watch reviews and comments? Just buy the most expensive Nvidia card you can afford every time and call it a day. That would be the end result for you either way, right?

 

[Quicks]

Ok, Jeff over at Craft Computing has some interesting, and mostly positive, perspectives to offer.

This info is making me rethink my own perspective. In reality, the 5070 beats out the 4070 and at more or less the say price.
Maybe the 5070 isn't so bad after all?

What do you all think?
Also;
"Skicty Sylines" Craft Computing March 2025

No, it's really bad.
Like really, really, bad.

AMD 9070 should have no problem kicking the crap out of this POS card. That bad.

 

[londiste]

If you want to feel good about buying Nvidia and nothing else, why bother going on the internet at all to read/watch reviews and comments? Just buy the most expensive Nvidia card you can afford every time and call it a day.

TPU is largely an enthusiast community. We are not really acknowledging the practical or goal-oriented mindset of swaths of casual GPU buyers. What we want to see are high-end products and big generational improvements. Whether we even actually want to buy a new GPU every generation is very doubtful and I seriously doubt most of us do that. Maybe over 1-2 generations or so.

People in general will look at what they can get in certain price range. The conditions are flexible to some degree but still. They also do not upgrade every generation and mostly not even over two generations, maybe they upgrade once 3-4 generations. That is what 5-6 years? And cards from some Pascal, Turing, Polaris, Vega or RDNA1 eras? People like this at some point go and find whatever seems suitable for them, buy it and use that another such cycle. From that perspective it does not matter that 5070 did not improve that much over 4070(S). Better price/performance plus succumbing to some marketing stuff (say, DLSS) and it gets bought. And from same perspective it is not a bad buy. Yes, 9070 is here soon and we will see if/how it changes things but the principle is the same.

 

[AusWolf]

Well one + point is that you will be able to sell your second hand card at MSRP 1.5 years after launch.

Who said that prices won't normalise by the time you're trying to sell it?

In reality, the 5070 beats out the 4070 and at more or less the say price.
Maybe the 5070 isn't so bad after all?

What do you all think?

In reality, the 5070 is within margin-of-error distance from the 4070 Super with a similar MSRP. It's Nvidia playing the Nvidia -$50 game this time, just across different generations = ultimate stagnation.

Why anyone would compare any 50-series card to a similarly named 40-series non-Super card, pretending that 40 Super cards never existed is beyond me.

A bigger jump - if you're upgrading from something like an FX 5700 Ultra (I'm exaggerating a bit), and you find one at, or very close to MSRP, then sure, it's not bad.

 

[SilentPeace]

TPU is largely an enthusiast community. We are not really acknowledging the practical or goal-oriented mindset of swaths of casual GPU buyers. What we want to see are high-end products and big generational improvements. Whether we even actually want to buy a new GPU every generation is very doubtful and I seriously doubt most of us do that. Maybe over 1-2 generations or so.

People in general will look at what they can get in certain price range. The conditions are flexible to some degree but still. They also do not upgrade every generation and mostly not even over two generations, maybe they upgrade once 3-4 generations. That is what 5-6 years? And cards from some Pascal, Turing, Polaris, Vega or RDNA1 eras? People like this at some point go and find whatever seems suitable for them, buy it and use that another such cycle. From that perspective it does not matter that 5070 did not improve that much over 4070(S). Better price/performance plus succumbing to some marketing stuff (say, DLSS) and it gets bought. And from same perspective it is not a bad buy. Yes, 9070 is here soon and we will see if/how it changes things but the principle is the same.

Yep and as someone who only bought an RTX 4000 series this year, I'm glad the 5000 series is not much quicker because it gives my card more longevity. Time for developers to stop relying on ever faster hardware to make up for their lack of optimisation and skill.

 

[Assimilator]

So; where are the naysayers?

I told ya this thing won't be that much faster than a 3070Ti, how many years later, 5? It's just faster RAM, faster clocks, with... the same problem, too little VRAM,.

Stop posting this deliberately misleading bulls**t. Compare the 5070 Ti to the 3070 Ti, or the 5070 to the 3070, and tell me what those performance differences are.

TPU is largely an enthusiast community.

It used to be, but today it's largely an AMD fanboy community, most of whom neither understand the realities of silicon engineering and why it's no longer possible to get massive generational performance improvements, nor want to understand it. Because it's far easier to post "ngreedia" and get circle-jerk agreed with by other similarly braindead members.

Other things the braindead are unable to understand:

• ray- and path-tracing are the past and the future of graphics rendering, the only reason they dislike it is because AMD is bad at it
• upscaling and frame generation are here to stay, again the only reason they dislike these features is because NVIDIA is better at them
• absolute amounts of VRAM don't matter, what you do with it is what counts
• criticising company A does not automatically mean an endorsement of company B
• there is such a thing as "constructive criticism"

Time for developers to stop relying on ever faster hardware to make up for their lack of optimisation and skill.

Good luck with that, considering almost every PC game is a console port nowadays.

 

[medi01]

Lackwell...

About 20% faster than its predecessor but about 15% thirstier. nVidia is really banking on AI compute I guess??

More like counting on "they'll buy it anyhow".

4090 Performance LMFAO?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896925501593461204

ray- and path-tracing are the past and the future of graphics rendering, the only reason they dislike it is

That 7th year into "it", we are somehow still not quite "in it".

HWUB: 6 Years of Ray Tracing...On vs Off 37 Game Comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBNH0NyN8K8 my takeaways: AMD RT implementation sucks, the best RT is path tracing so pretty much go big or go home with full ray tracing...games like Doom Eternal and Elden Ring look better with RT but you really have to pause and look closely with a...

www.resetera.com

That 7th year into "it" NONE of the stated promises stand:
1) Ease of development
2) Unseen effects
3) "When new cards will have enough RT, enabling RT won't tank FPS"

It is a huge resources sinking lie at this point.

That "one day" the "it" might finally arrive is irrelevant here and now.

 

[Chrisy]

My local MicroCenter:

MSRP: 6pcs
$700: 3pcs
$740(!): 24pcs

I think this makes the mean price well above $550...
Btw $740 is $10 less than 5070Ti MSRP

 

[Bwaze]

Geizhals.eu shows only one card available, Palit GeForce RTX 5070 for 920 EUR. Expected, since RTX 5070 Ti are mainly above 1100 EUR

 

[Krit]

LoL so 5070 is slightly better than 4070 Super, that's slightly better than I expected.

In some cases RTX 5070 actually may be even worse look at digital foundry review. Gen on Gen and not exactly always better!