NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Founders Edition

[Macro Device]

Being cheaper at the same performance level is quite useful, imo.

They ain't even do that!

 

[AusWolf]

They ain't even do that!

Like I said, wait until tomorrow.

 

[biffzinker]

I am not at all a fan of the AMD drivers & control panel, not enough fine-grained controls which is a deal breaker to me, so yes, NVidia software is a driving factor. Then there's the compute side of things, which NVidia has the advantage. So yeah, even though this release is an absolute crap show, NVidia still has the advantage in key areas for me personally.

Intel's ARC GPU's are coming up and are competing. The drivers are getting better and the performance is solid for 1080p/1440p gaming. However, they need to improve in compute and improve their fine-grained driver controls.

AMD's drivers are not there and their compute is ok but trailing behind.

The GPU market is in a weird state right now..

I stopped installing the control panel and instead use MCTool. Before that I was using RadeonSlimmer.

MoreClockTool (MCT) free download: OC attachment for the MorePowerTool | igor´sLAB

With our MoreClockTool (MCT) we want to logically round up the MorePowerTool (MPT) and the Red BIOS Editor (RBE) and replace the Wattman from AMD’s driver packages for simpler overclocking.

www.igorslab.de

 

[Why_Me]

Yeah, that's like 7 FPS more than the 4070 Ti Super. Yay?

It's 24 more FPS than the 4070 Ti along with four more gbs of VRAM and better RT if that's someone's thing. I can live with that. If and when a 5070 Ti Super is released then I'll compare that card to a 4070 Ti Super.

 

[AusWolf]

It's 24 more FPS than the 4070 Ti along with four more gbs of VRAM and better RT if that's someone's thing. I can live with that. If and when a 5070 Ti Super is released then I'll compare that card to a 4070 Ti Super.

Comparing based on model name is wrong. Nvidia's last card within the price bracket was the 4070 Ti Super, so the 5070 Ti should be compared to that.

Edit: If we think about it, it's actually Nvidia that's playing the Nvidia -$50 game this time.

 

[x4it3n]

Well, this was a disappointment. Looks like I'll be sticking with my 3080 for a while longer. What a pathetic showing from NVidia this round.

9070 XT might be your friend! Haha

 

[wheresmycar]

Some of the comments in this thread are more surprising than the 5070s overall performance. I was pretty convinced it would be a mediocre card. I mean.. come on… at this point, having low expectations should just be the norm.

 

[AusWolf]

Some of the comments in this thread are more surprising than the 5070s overall performance. I was pretty convinced it would be a mediocre card. I mean.. come on… at this point, having low expectations should just be the norm.

You'd need to have no expectations at all to say that the 50-series is anything but utter shite compared to last gen.

 

[lexluthermiester]

What fine-grained controls does the NV control panel give you that AMD doesn't?

Oh am I not jumping down THAT rabbit hole. If AMD's drivers/control panel meets with your satisfaction, more power to you.

Since Intel ditched native DX support below version 12 (or 11, I'm not sure), it's a no-go for me, unfortunately.

Um, what? They had issues a few years ago, but all DX11/DX10/DX9 titles work fine these days. They made a delivered effort to make that happen. Your info might be a bit behind the times..

I stopped installing the control panel and instead use MCTool. Before that I was using RadeonSlimmer.

MoreClockTool (MCT) free download: OC attachment for the MorePowerTool | igor´sLAB

With our MoreClockTool (MCT) we want to logically round up the MorePowerTool (MPT) and the Red BIOS Editor (RBE) and replace the Wattman from AMD’s driver packages for simpler overclocking.

www.igorslab.de

Didn't know that existed! Looks nice. However, I already have a 3080. I'm not side-grading to something else, regardless of maker.

9070 XT might be your friend! Haha

Maybe. We'll see.

 

[AusWolf]

Oh am I not jumping down THAT rabbit hole. If AMD's drivers/control panel meets with your satisfaction, more power to you.

I'm not trying to dismantle your argument. I asked because I'm genuinely curious. I seriously don't know about any control that Nvidia's software offers you but AMD's doesn't.

Um, what? They had issues a few years ago, but all DX11/DX10/DX9 titles work fine these days. They made a delivered effort to make that happen. Your info might be a bit behind the times..

Yes, through a translation layer. How does that work these days?

 

[Legacy-ZA]

So; where are the naysayers?

I told ya this thing won't be that much faster than a 3070Ti, how many years later, 5? It's just faster RAM, faster clocks, with... the same problem, too little VRAM,.

 

[tpa-pr]

I am not at all a fan of the AMD drivers & control panel, not enough fine-grained controls which is a deal breaker to me, so yes, NVidia software is a driving factor. Then there's the compute side of things, which NVidia has the advantage. So yeah, even though this release is an absolute crap show, NVidia still has the advantage in key areas for me personally.

Intel's ARC GPU's are coming up and are competing. The drivers are getting better and the performance is solid for 1080p/1440p gaming. However, they need to improve in compute and improve their fine-grained driver controls.

AMD's drivers are not there and their compute is ok but trailing behind.

The GPU market is in a weird state right now..

Perfectly understandable, I didn't take you for one of the less-informed "Nvidia is just better OK?!" buyers We can only hope that the 6000 series is a better showing for you to upgrade to at this point because the 5000 series has been, frankly, pathetic.

 

[AleXXX666]

Not even beating the 4070Ti in relative performance,the 50 series is such a disappointment.

the price tag at least on this board seems fair.

 

[Bwaze]

the price tag at least on this board seems fair.

Cheapest RTX 5070 Ti in Europe is still 1000 EUR, and unavailable at that price, others hover above 1100 EUR. So RTX 5070 will be at best 800 EUR card, quite possibly even much more expensive.

Fixed model number typo.

 

[AleXXX666]

Cheapest RTX 1070 Ti in Europe is still 1000 EUR, and unavailable at that price, others hover above 1100 EUR. So RTX 5070 will be at best 800 EUR card, quite possibly even much more expensive.

4070 Ti you mean?

I meant that here provided a table of comparison, and there 4070 Ti was $700 MSRP, and 5070 is $550.
We all know it's just a stupid numbers, but

 

[Darkholm]

Jensen is urinating heavily on it's newest gaming products and it's fans. Every day since the launch of RTX 5000 series, nVidia's reputation sinking like Titanic. Best story so far: at all-hands meeting in nVidia HQ, Jensen opened the meeting with, I quote: "WHO DID THIS TO ME!?!?!", refering to "an incredible" fart-dust launch of RTX 5000 series What a great guy.

 

[Bwaze]

Jensen is urinating heavily on it's newest gaming products and it's fans. Every day since the launch of RTX 5000 series, nVidia's reputation sinking like Titanic. Best story so far: at all-hands meeting in nVidia HQ, Jensen opened the meeting with, I quote: "WHO DID THIS TO ME!?!?!", refering to "an incredible" fart-dust launch of RTX 5000 series What a great guy.

"Gaming and AI PC" is now such a small portion of revenue it's not really important any more. And just the "Gaming", without the AI part, is close to the rounding errors.

Nvidia participates only for historic reasons, and to not wholly abandon this sector - if AI revenue should fail, Nvidia could easily flood the market with widely available gaming cards with good price / performance. But that is the tactic they now can't perform, even if they wanted to - all the available TSMC production must of course go to AI server accelerators, which are propelling Nvidia to the stratosphere now.

 

[londiste]

Some of the comments in this thread are more surprising than the 5070s overall performance. I was pretty convinced it would be a mediocre card. I mean.. come on… at this point, having low expectations should just be the norm.

This is what surprises me as well. I mean, specs have been out there for a while. Looking at what 5070 theoretically is, it actually does slightly but still surprisingly better.
No, it is not a true new generation for anyone on rtx4000 or rx7000 cards and expecting it to was very strange from the get-go. It replaces 4070S in the lineup at $50 cheaper and with small tech upgrades.
For someone on RTX2000/3000, RX5000/6000 or older it is still a decent upgrade. Someone a few posts back commented it isn't an upgrade over 3070Ti - well, 45% faster or so...

As usual, the performance and price level gets defined by technical possibilities as well as competition. This is still on a TSMC 5nm class node so IHVs do not have a bigger transistor budget to play around with, efficiency gains are minimal and nothing helps with power consumption. Not expecting a miracle should be the default here. Lets see if AMD pulls a rabbit out of the hat but I seriously doubt it. On topic of AMD, there is the competition which has not pushed any real boundaries. Based on presentations, RDNA4 kind of follows the Nvidia/Blackwell formula - RT (which AMD seems to have made quite a considerable improvement based on 1st party data) and FSR4 (fake frames). Performance claims are much more modest. At least the prices are supposed to be lower but lets wait for the reviews today to see where everything lands.

Nvidia did the usual corporate thing - they need to release a new set of cards yearly. Ada already had Supers so it was time for a new generation. And architecturally Blackwell is improved enough to consider it a new generation, just not in the silicon. The same applies for AMD. And improvements in silicon are most likely pending on what TSMC does.

 

[Quicks]

Well let's hope Blackwell performance gets better with a few driver updates. Maybe they still need to figure out the new architecture.

 

[Chomiq]

Card shows similar performance to 24GB 3090 in 4K "VRAM is the problem!". It ain't the VRAM.

 

[TheEndIsNear]

I think this is what happened they put every intelligent person they have on a.i. and sent the janitors to make gaming product decisions, drivers, and all the other stuff that has made this what I consider one of the worst releases in the history of video cards. See their market is 3 billion. Gamers made this company. I might sell my stock because of this but they do treat their employees well. But I would've basically made these cards priced as close to what it cost to make them as I could so I could give back to gamers that got you in this position. I wouldn't try to gouge them even more

 

[TheDeeGee]

Where did you get that 375w figure?
My 4090 can pull 600w, I've seen it when I tried to max the power usage.
I have a SuperFlower PSU that has a dual 8 pin to the 12x6 cable.
The Corsair adapter is also a 2x8pin cable, which mean an 8 pin plug can provide atleast 300w on it's own.

Those 2x8-Pin cables are only wired for for 6 cables (3x 12V and 3x Ground), meaning 6-Pin can handle over 300 Watts.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Well let's hope Blackwell performance gets better with a few driver updates. Maybe they still need to figure out the new architecture.

I expect it will, especially in A.I related tasks in game, it has more TOPS than previous generations at this tier.

Then again, if they can give you the middle finger by dropping 32-bit PhysX that tanks performance in older titles, who knows.

All I know is, I am scared as hell to update my drivers at this point, everything is running fine on my current hardware but until I see better news related to them, I am sticking to the .60

 

[Bwaze]

I think this is what happened they put every intelligent person they have on a.i. and sent the janitors to make gaming product decisions, drivers, and all the other stuff that has made this what I consider one of the worst releases in the history of video cards. See their market is 3 billion. Gamers made this company. I might sell my stock because of this but they do treat their employees well. But I would've basically made these cards priced as close to what it cost to make them as I could so I could give back to gamers that got you in this position. I wouldn't try to gouge them even more

I don't think there's any room for such sentimentalism in modern day economics.

Shareholders might take offence - and the goal of the company is to keep them happy.

And really prioritizing AI, even if it wasn't such a clear breadwinner, was expected - historically Nvidia jumped on every opportunity to present themselves as more than just toymakers, which they predominantly were until couple of years ago - but you wouldn't know that from their focus in revenue reports and their own descriptions of themselves. For instance a couple of years ago it was Automotive which they presented as a limitless opportunity, but nothing came of it. They couldn't publicly focus on cryptomining during crazes, but internally they of course completely did. Etc.

Gaming was always a limited market, with little possible growth. They were in perfect position for this AI craze, and they're gonna milk it while they are the best option - even if they have to completely sacrifice other sectors. In fact, sacrificing Gaming only gives AI market assurance on how important they are, and right now AI craze is more of a fad and FOMO than anything really useful - very sensitive to marketing.

 

[Quicks]

Card shows similar performance to 24GB 3090 in 4K "VRAM is the problem!". It ain't the VRAM.

Keep telling yourself that...

Just check Techspot review:

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 Review

Nvidia hyped up the RTX 5070 as delivering RTX 4090-level performance for just $550, but the reality is far from it. Misleading marketing and not enough VRAM...

www.techspot.com

"RTX 4090 vs. RTX 5070
In reality, the RTX 4090 is, on average, 63% faster than the RTX 5070 across our 16-game sample at 1440p. But the deception gets even worse when we turn to ray tracing, as there are cases where the RTX 5070 doesn't work at all due to its much more limited 12GB VRAM buffer".