NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Founders Edition

[medi01]

absolute amounts of VRAM don't matter

 

[SilentPeace]

Other things the braindead are unable to understand:

• ray- and path-tracing are the past and the future of graphics rendering, the only reason they dislike it is because AMD is bad at it
• upscaling and frame generation are here to stay, again the only reason they dislike these features is because NVIDIA is better at them

Plenty of nvidia card owners also think ray-tracing is overrated or a misuse of resources, and/or aren't sold on the benefits of upscaling + frame generation FWIW. The latter has become a crutch for developers as it was always predicted to be.

 

[LukaTCE]

So 5070 is still better then 7090 XT in upscaling ? 5070 is 700€ in Europe 12GB
Why there is no more games with upscaling test?
Please test more games with upscaling
@W1zzard please add pricing also for Europe
It's so hard to buy in Europe while pricing can be even 10-20% bigger first $ to € conversion is direct 1:1 and often in US is just much cheaper. Plus the shipping is 8-10€ + 10€-15€ with parcel forwarding to Slovenia
https://geizhals.eu/ (compare.eu) is price comparison for Europe with a lot of filters and technical details and
pricing. Even VRM details for motherboards for example
https://www.idealo.de/ is another but just for Germany

5070 is 700€ in Europe 12GB 7900 XT is 750€

ZOTAC GAMING GEFORCE RTX 5070 MEMORY 12GB GDDR7 | Preisvergleich Geizhals EU

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MEMORY 12GB GDDR7

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ZOTAC GAMING GEFORCE RTX 5070 MEMORY 12GB GDDR7 | Preisvergleich Geizhals EU

✔ Preisvergleich für ZOTAC GAMING GEFORCE RTX 5070 MEMORY 12GB GDDR7 ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

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MEMORY 12GB GDDR7

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Grafikkarten PCIe mit NVIDIA GeForce: RTX 5070 Preisvergleich Geizhals EU

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7900 XT is 750€

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[Nater]

HD 7950/70: these 3 GB VRAM don't do anything at the launch and when they do, these GPUs run out of juice anyway.
R9 290/X: GTX 980 isn't slower and needs much less power.
R9 Fury: nuff said.
RX 480: doesn't even remotely come close to Pascal in energy efficiency, not to mention it doesn't do anything to segments above the very bottom.
RX 5000 series: "Maybe this time? Please! Eh, black screen and crashes, dang it!"
RX 6000 series: made of pure unobtanium and still don't outclass any of NVIDIA GPUs other than the very worst ones.
RX 7000 series: overpriced, underspecced, failed chiplet implementation, non-existent RT, obscenely worse upscaling.

There were absolutely ZERO successful launches since early 2010s. All AMD do is "NVIDIA minus 50 dollars" or "NVIDIA minus 50 features." Even if RDNA4 is awesome they're showing up for work that does no longer exist.

Realize all AMD has to do is have something on the shelf and it's a better launch than the 5000 series.

 

[Assimilator]

You can keep on being wrong all you like. Doesn't change that you're wrong.

 

[medi01]

You can keep on being wrong all you like. Doesn't change that you're wrong.

Have you seen the "super early, days before anyone else preview of 3080" by PF?

When they seconded Huang's 5070 = 4090 "3080 is 2 times faster than 2080".
Do you know how the actual 1.8 lead in one outlier benchmark was achieved?

By making it NOT fit in 2080's memory.
Which was even more hilarious given how low on VRAM the 3000 series is. (I blame Lisa)

The main reason 3070+ users want to upgrade IS VRAM. Mkay?

If we take spherical horse in vacuum, apply "94% compression" and something something AI something something, it is a lot of fun.

But it does not help 3000 users.
It does not make 5070 with its 12GB and shockingly poor performance any less terrible.
Right here, right now.

Spherical horses in vacuum are different, no disagreement here.

PS

 

[W1zzard]

This review has been updated with data from other non-MSRP cards: heat / noise, cooler comparison, overclocking

 

[Assimilator]

This review has been updated with data from other non-MSRP cards: heat / noise, cooler comparison, overclocking

Legend.

 

[Enterprise24]

DLSS = Deep Lying Strike Shoppers.

 

[yfn_ratchet]

Other things the braindead are unable to understand:

• ray- and path-tracing are the past and the future of graphics rendering, the only reason they dislike it is because AMD is bad at it
• upscaling and frame generation are here to stay, again the only reason they dislike these features is because NVIDIA is better at them
• absolute amounts of VRAM don't matter, what you do with it is what counts
• criticising company A does not automatically mean an endorsement of company B
• there is such a thing as "constructive criticism"

I'll raise ya one.

• Ray/path-tracing are still best employed asynchronously, as it requires some amount of often lossy denoising in order for it to look coherent, realtime or not (see TAA/DLSS denoising/Optix) and despite generations of investment in ray accelerators, using it in realtime bears a heavy performance cost for little visual improvement. Ray acceleration is still nice, but it has trade-offs. Rasterization will not be replaced by it.
• Upscaling/frame-gen are similarly nice-to-haves but it's an enhancement being employed as a crutch when your fancy-pants new card suddenly can't make metrics, and often the use of it as such makes the tech look noticeably worse and exaggerates shortcomings in competing solutions.
• Lmfao. There have been and continue to be consistent and recurring issues with lacking video memory, the least affecting symptoms being the need to turn down memory-hungry settings (including raytracing/frame-gen) to stay under the ceiling. That issue will only persist the more a performance segment is permitted to have lopsided performance compared to memory allowance. 12GB is great for an entry level card (love ya 3060 12GB, B580) but the 5070 is sold and marketed as midrange. It needs to offer more than its older brother the 4070 SUPER, and no amount of software suites will get it there. Even a bare 2GB extra would have been better.
• Yes and no. Ragging on Company A in opposition and furthermore comparison to Company B carries implicit weight. Explicit praises and criticisms are of course of much greater value, but there still exists a bias. It's better to be openly biased than to wax philosophical about how saying one thing does not imply another derived argument. With that said, go AMD. They offer a better product for my use case and semantic wants.
• "Constructive Criticism". Hold on, let me just...

You can keep on being wrong all you like. Doesn't change that you're wrong.

Respect given is respect returned. Just saying 'You're wrong' instead of proposing a reasonable counter-argument is not constructive at all, so don't expect as much from anyone.

 

[lexluthermiester]

embrace your goldfish memory enthusiasm!

Hey, don't be jerk to me just because I offered an alternate perspective that offends your fragile sensibilities.

but today it's largely an AMD fanboy community

While there is some of that, it's not as severe as you make it out to be. And there's just as much NVidia fanboying..

is because AMD is bad at it

Not anymore, or have you not seen the latest reviews? While AMD's offering don't beat NVidia outright, they're close and those two new GPUs offer very reasonable competition this round. You know me, I'm an NVidia guy, and still going to be one, but I have to tip my hat to AMD, they're coming up.

If you want to feel good about buying Nvidia, why bother going on the internet at all to read/watch reviews and comments? Just buy the most expensive Nvidia card you can afford every time and call it a day. That would be the end result for you either way, right?

No, I might just stick it to NVidia this round and do something else.

AMD 9070 should have no problem kicking the crap out of this POS card. That bad.

And the reviews are out. They're competitive and solidly so. However "kicking the crap out of" is a big stretch.

Not considering a 9070XT?

Looks like the better offer thus far...

Nope. As mentioned earlier, I'm "locked" into the NVidia side of things. I don't just game. Compute is important and AMD doesn't have any comparable options currently. However, I might just separate my gaming/compute rig into separate systems if AMD can pull out all the stops. Been thinking about that kind of move anyway. Often find the two tasks overlapping and it's getting cumbersome.

Even with the new reviews about AMD's offerings, I'm not switching sides. The advances offered by AMD are very good and bring them on par with NVidia in those classes of cards, they're not good enough for me to abandon a great deal of work and have to redo it all just to focus on a new hardware platform. I might just skip this round altogether.. It'll be the first time I've skipped an entire generation of GPU's from camp NV, let alone two. Although, it evens out a bit. I have had a card from every NV gen from the Geforce 6000(mid 2000's) series forward.

 

[Ufasas]

This piece of crap gpu is 699.- here on average, and the only in stock is msi for 709.-, lmao! on day one, this garbage cannot get worse