Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+

[AusWolf]

We shouldn't be comparing to Nvidia we all know how bad there release has been. Instead compare it to 7700 and 7700xt and see how it stacks up. At the end of they day I'm not saying they are bad cards just the the price increase on the new generation is no good.

Sure. The 9070 offers 49% more performance over the 7700 XT for a 22% higher price, while the 9070 XT offers 36% more performance over the 7800 XT for a 20% higher price. Better?

 

[Spunjjatron]

and 1,169 € in Europe (if you live there)
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I think the point being made there was not that there is no gouging, but that even if Nvidia's prices weren't being gouged, they'd still be poor value - the poster they were replying to was seeming to insist that we ignore the actual prices Nvidia cards are currently selling at, perhaps because it's unfair or something? I don't feel so charitable, because it's Nvidia that control pricing and supply and they're doing a shite job of both.

 

[Broken Processor]

Why not? It's competition to Nvidia so I'm not just going to ignore the 50 series no matter how bad it is. The 9070XT is 30-40% faster than the 7700XT depending on the game, and much better RT and upscaling performance. A 30% gain is much better than what the 50 series has provided comparing it to previous gen cards.

Yes but I think the point is being missed. Nvidia generational uplift is pathetic and they have zero supply and what they have is 50-100% over MSRP and people will still buy because reason's. The 9070 series is a proper generation uplift but so is the cost and that's bad. It's like AMD patting themselves on the back and saying we deserve this price increase because we released a product with the proper amount of performance uplift where instead Nvidia released a 4000+ series and said give us all your money. I don't like to talk about Nvidia because they excluded themselves.

What gouged prices? The MSRP on the 5080 is $1000. You don't have to gouge that to make it sound bad.

I'm including MSRP sorry I should have clarified.

 

[Krit]

The 9070XT is 30-40% faster than the 7700XT depending on the game, and much better RT and upscaling performance. A 30% gain is much better than what the 50 series has provided comparing it to previous gen cards.

 

[AusWolf]

I'm including MSRP sorry I should have clarified.

Exactly. I'm talking about MSPR, too. $600 is not $1000. The 9070 XT is nowhere near x80 territory.

 

[Broken Processor]

Exactly. I'm talking about MSPR, too. $600 is not $1000. The 9070 XT is nowhere near x80 territory.

It's not an 80 class card.

 

[TSiAhmat]

It's not an 80 class card.

well yes. The 5080 is just straight up a bad deal.

I think the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good, especially right now where almost every new card looks bad (money/performance wise)

we just have to hope msrp/price & stock is good enough.

 

[Metroid]

Maximum 500 usd for this card and yet 3rd parties charging 750 usd.

 

[Hecate91]

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A 50% increase in 4K raster is impressive, IMO.
Also an 18% better value over the 5070 at MSRP.
I liked Techyescity's review of the Powercolor Hellhound, a nice mid level version of the XT instead of an expensive high end one.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You've added zero to the thread. Instead of saying anything intelligent you're just attacking.
The quote sum's you up nicely.

Ok. If you say so.

 

[AusWolf]

It's not an 80 class card.

Of course it's not. But you said it costs like one, which doesn't make sense.

The performance for a 70 class is fine but I'm concerned for future pricing. Just because these cards are cheaper than Nvidia offering doesn't mean they are good value. They priced these cards like they are 80 series cards.

 

[Chrispy_]

it's -30% to +10%

Yay! \o/

304W (regular MSRP models like the Pulse) -30% = 213W!

I'm going to undervolt mine to the limit of stability and then benchmark TDPs from 213-304W and work out how many of those extra 91W are actually useful

Historically RDNA2 and RDNA3 have been pushed waaaaay too hard out of the factory just to get those last 3-5% marginal gains.

 

[regs]

It's often the same route cause, generally-speaking, and I think you know that. Sometimes it isn't.

1% does not reflect stuttering in any way. Stuttering is far more consistent than 1%. And you need more than 1 absolute number to expose it.

 

[TSiAhmat]

Yay! \o/

304W (regular MSRP models like the Pulse) -30% = 213W!

I'm going to undervolt mine to the limit of stability and then benchmark TDPs from 213-304W and work out how many of those extra 91W are actually useful

Historically RDNA2 and RDNA3 have been pushed waaaaay too hard out of the factory just to get those last 3-5% marginal gains.

enticed to see the results. stock rx9070 seems to be very efficient.

 

[Guwapo77]

I think ill be ordering mine with a 9800X3D from Newegg in the morning. Microcenter is like an hour and a half away from me.

Well that's fair. When I use to live in Cheyenne (2-3 hrs depending on I-25 traffic), I dreaded that drive too, but now I'm in the big city. *cartwheels* In dire times, you have a connect close to it.

I read both your posts, in which you point out that this specific Nitro card isn't worth 730 because there are 5070Ti's to be had for 750. There aren't though, a quick search reveals that and Microcenter doesn't even have any in stock at most of the stores I checked. You'd have to live near one, queue up on drop day and get one. That's not representative of supply because 99% of people don't have a chance of obtaining one at MSRP or even AIB models with the insane markups.

Then you stated that AMD better 'cash in while it can'. Which was strange, because the MSRP is 600. That's what they're 'cashing in', so to speak. So even if 5070Ti's at some point in the future become readily available at $750, they still won't really be cashing in. It would've made some sense if you said Sapphire I suppose.

Also, unlike 5070/5070Ti, there will be a lot more more 9070XT's available tomorrow at $600 than 5070Ti's at $750. So comparing a top tier 9070XT to an unobtainable 5070Ti is strange at best. The only 5070 that I see readily available is a ASUS TUF 5070 for $730. MC at TX-Dallas have a whole bunch of them.

You know what is strange... You nothing thinking about the price increase that will be slapped on us because there aren't any. Look at the prices of the local Bestbuy, prices up to $250 dollars over the MSRP. Nitro+ is looking like the wholesale. Do you think this card is worth $850? Hell to the naw naw naw. AMD and its patterners better cash in while they can before Nvidia stock replenishes. The best models should be more than $600 - we had this performance for $800 with the 7900 xtx. What's strange is Nvidia's 5080 & down the stack and AMD 9070XT & down the stack are offering the same performance at/or more than the performance we had two years ago. Excitement is dead.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?st=9070xt&_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=&id=pcat17071&type=page&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=&sp=&qp=&list=n&af=true&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys

The Nitro+ is a high end AIB version, the only 5070Ti available anything close to MSRP is a Microcenter exclusive.
It's strange to compare a high end card to an entry level 5070Ti, and saying the 5070Ti is a better value when it isn't at MSRP for most people.

Geez... lets wait till these cards launch. I'm already seeing top end cards 9070XTs at $850. I hope for ya'lls sake they have plenty of $600 versions because I think they will pull a Nvidia and only sell the high ends.

 

[Spunjjatron]

Yay! \o/

304W (regular MSRP models like the Pulse) -30% = 213W!

I'm going to undervolt mine to the limit of stability and then benchmark TDPs from 213-304W and work out how many of those extra 91W are actually useful

Historically RDNA2 and RDNA3 have been pushed waaaaay too hard out of the factory just to get those last 3-5% marginal gains.

Same! I currently do okay with a 6800M (basically an underclocked 6700 XT) and have a sneaking suspicion that, silicon gods willing, for some 60-80% of my gaming needs I'll be able to run a 9070 XT a power profile in the 220-250W region. For the really gnarly titles that demand a bit more, I can loosen the leash a little.

One of the reasons I'm upgrading is because MechWarrior 5 Clans runs like unwashed ass on my current system, so with roughly double the performance and FSR4 in play, I might actually be able to run that unoptimised heap at a quality level that doesn't make me hate my eyes for the curse of being able to see.

This is all angels on the eyes of pinheads until I get a card in my hand, though. Just over two hours remaining...

 

[Broken Processor]

Of course it's not. But you said it costs like one, which doesn't make sense.

I agree charging 80 series money for a 70 class card doesn't make sense yet they are doing exactly that.

 

[TSiAhmat]

I agree charging 80 series money for a 70 class card doesn't make sense yet they are doing exactly that.

So if it was named 9080 xt you would be fine with it??

oh you meant the predecessors (7700xt & 7800xt)

the 7800xt & 9070xt gain price to performance parity in Europe at about 700 € (not including ray tracing, FSR4 & on 1080p).

Yes not a great deal, but still quite good (IF you can get the card at 700 or lower)

 

[AusWolf]

I agree charging 80 series money for a 70 class card doesn't make sense yet they are doing exactly that.

So $600 = $1000. Awesome logic.

 

[Thimblewad]

Does anyone know availability in Europe? I've been smashing the F5 button on Amazon.de all morning and still nothing :')

 

[Broken Processor]

So $600 = $1000. Awesome logic.

But it's not 600 Vs 1000 is it? Its 700+ which is what the majority of what 9070xt's will cost after the AMD rebate runs out versus 499+ that the 7800xt cost or even worse the 399 the 7700xt cost. So yes I question some logic here but not my own. I honestly wish people would stop supporting price gouging from ANY manufacturer and stop this dumb tribalism.

Does anyone know availability in Europe? I've been smashing the F5 button on Amazon.de all morning and still nothing :')

2pm release in the UK check your region equivalent.

 

[Thimblewad]

2pm release in the UK check your region equivalent.

Thank you!

 

[Ultron1337]

As a LLM use case major I am personally not that excited about 9070XT. Poor inference capping 644GB/s GDDR6 bandwidth and from LLM perspective small 16GB VRAM unfortunately means it offers almost nothing over last gen 7800XT. Missing ROCm support at launch date is typical AMD AI approach. Great bang-for-buck hardware, but again software takes time to mature.
However for gamers AMD has done a very good job here. FSR4.0 looks way better than FSR3.1 despite using same API. Surprisingly, 60 vsync power efficiency is miles better that nVidia's 5070Ti. RT is vastly improved. Overall bang for buck for gamers is great. There seems to be many cards on stock. I don't get the haters here. Competition is pushing prices down, that benefits all consumers. Quit whining

 

[AusWolf]

But it's not 600 Vs 1000 is it? Its 700+ which is what the majority of what 9070xt's will cost after the AMD rebate runs out versus 499+ that the 7800xt cost or even worse the 399 the 7700xt cost. So yes I question some logic here but not my own. I honestly wish people would stop supporting price gouging from ANY manufacturer and stop this dumb tribalism.

On that logic, the 5080 isn't $1000, either, but $1200-1400+. It's either MSRP vs MSRP, or retail vs retail. You can't compare one card's MSRP against another one's retail pricing.

 

[LittleBro]

Buy from international shops. This prices is scalped highly. VAT 20% isn't enough to make them so much.

Do you have some trusted sources?