14900k - Tuned for efficiency - Gaming power draw

[A Computer Guy]

We buy hardware, we tweak it, we use it, we should enjoy it. Shouldn't need to be a debate of what's better or worse. Its not life threatening that I'm aware of if you use a little more power than your neighbour... At least I don't think it is??!

Well at the moment we are safe that is until the save the planet lobby starts going after PC's power usage and your required to report your neighbor or be held as an accessory to planetcide.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

IccMax limitation.
By limiting the amount of current to a K processor (completely unlocked leads to a huge waste of electricity), the driver will treat it as a non-K processor.
Light tasks will not be affected because there is enough power for them. The heavy loads will be solved by the driver (via W11) by balancing P+E cores to fit within the allocated amperage limit and obtain the maximum possible performance. You don't have to beat your head with billions of settings, anyway you will be below the performance obtained by the driver. Thanks to those E-cores, blamed by many, the 14700K@~80W crushes the 7800X(3D) in all CPU-intensive tasks.


720p, 1080p, 1440p and 4K. It is good like this?

You got the review wrong. I don't see the new processors in that capture.
See below where the 5800X3D is now

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Ah yes, I have that problem with my B660-G and W11. It's the IME drivers that do that crap. No good imo.

The z690 I have doesn't care what I set when running W10 22H2 right now. So thankfully I don't have a degrade of performance when under-volting. Which, LLC seems to work wonders without changing anything else.

Not sure if I should grab a 14700K or not. Contemplating it, not sure the single percent gains are worth the dollars.

I mean who's gonna want to by my 13700K after it's had 1.6700v jammed through it on DryIce?? Hah!

 

[InVasMani]

This thing is wild copying over about 100GB from a portable HDD to 1TB M.2 while also LZX compressing like 170GB or so storage of Steam folder and it's barely breaking a sweat at like 35%-40% CPU utilization, but the M.2 is sweating bullets on utilization. Coming from a dual core i3-6100 to this CPU is unbelievable this compression would absolutely killed the CPU and 14700K doesn't even flinch.

 

[Schlessmonkey]

It's a dumb choice. Let's be real.

Yeah no one here is debating this. I had 600$ to throw around and i spent it on a CPU that wasn't designed for my needs because I wanted to. we covered this 20 posts ago lol
on that note I'm running 6.2/5.7 GHz with HT off and an undervolt. It absolutely destroys any task or game i could ever throw at it with no stability or thermal issues whatsoever. got ram at 7200 with no effort.

And with ALMOST the best systems commercially available I couldn't be happier with the results. It's super dumb heh.
an i5 and 3060 could probably meet my demands IF AND OLY IF i didnt decide i needed 144hz 2k in every tarkov map. yes i saw performance increase between in i7 and i9 with everything else the same. an i5 couldn't do what i need it to in 2 specific tarkov maps lol

 

[freeagent]

Not sure if I should grab a 14700K or not.

I plan on slapping one into that little Strix board.. think it would be an ok match?

I have the Thermalright contact frame, just need the rest..

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I plan on slapping one into that little Strix board.. think it would be an ok match?

I have the Thermalright contact frame, just need the rest..

That board should handle it ok. I'm on the fence about contact frames.

All the screen shots you've seen in here is with an unclamped wraith prism cooler.

 

[freeagent]

That board should handle it ok. I'm on the fence about contact frames.

All the screen shots you've seen in here is with an unclamped wraith prism cooler.

Then why does everyone complain about how hot they are if they are that easy to cool?

Lol this should be interesting..

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Then why does everyone complain about how hot they are if they are that easy to cool?

Lol this should be interesting..

Oh it's hot. No doubt, it will throttle at defaults, but these are designed that way.

My air cooler runs a higher temp gradient. Like most air coolers, they are more effecient when warmed up. The stock fan however is not great for cfm. So I have a delta that I use for those higher frequencies to help keep under that throttle temp.

Water cooling should be a Lower temp gradient. Low idle temps and lower load temps are desired.

The contact frame is from people over tightening and the board warps. Then the cpu doesn't make contact with the pins which results in a no post. This has been true since socket 775, but these days people will market anything to make a buck.

 

[InVasMani]

I wouldn't upgrade a 13700K to 14700K not unless you can pawn that other CPU off on some poor fool on Ebay or like FB marketplace "lightly used" 24/7 365 on dry ice $333 FIRM + $25's shipping.

Strix ITX would probably be fine on just about anything outside of a mid range tower cooler or a 120 AIO. It seems to do better on MT anyway w/o sacrificing a ton in ST if you drop the all core ratio on P-core to 54 actually.

Almost...if only it were x46 on E-floors it might close the gap.

 

[freeagent]

"lightly used"

You have to try real hard to hurt it.

 

[Gica]

eeeeehhhhhhh different cards were used in the reviews. That's why the 5800x3D is behind in the newer ones.

RTX 4090 was used in both, probably the same models. The difference is made by the newly launched processors (13/14th and 7000X3D) and, probably, the new games tested.
The reality shows us that a year and a few months after the launch it is at the level of a Ryzen 5@200$. Great deal, what can I say.

So thankfully I don't have a degrade of performance when under-volting.

Undervolting = Voltage
IccMax = Amperage.
There is a big difference between them. For example, high voltage cannot kill you if the amperage is very low (electrostatic discharges can reach a million volts).

 

[ShrimpBrime]

RTX 4090 was used in both, probably the same models. The difference is made by the newly launched processors (13/14th and 7000X3D) and, probably, the new games tested.
The reality shows us that a year and a few months after the launch it is at the level of a Ryzen 5@200$. Great deal, what can I say.


Undervolting = Voltage
IccMax = Amperage.
There is a big difference between them. For example, high voltage cannot kill you if the amperage is very low (electrostatic discharges can reach a million volts).

Yessir, noted.

Can pull more or less amps at a given voltage. The IccMax is what people limit I suppose.

I can get 2 to 3 cores well over 150w. No Iccmax limits.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Then why does everyone complain about how hot they are if they are that easy to cool?

Lol this should be interesting..

People confuse temperature with watts? Oh noes it's 95 degrees...panic...at 65 watts!

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I wouldn't upgrade a 13700K to 14700K not unless you can pawn that other CPU off on some poor fool on Ebay or like FB marketplace "lightly used" 24/7 365 on dry ice $333 FIRM + $25's shipping.

Strix ITX would probably be fine on just about anything outside of a mid range tower cooler or a 120 AIO. It seems to do better on MT anyway w/o sacrificing a ton in ST if you drop the all core ratio on P-core to 54 actually.

Almost...if only it were x46 on E-floors it might close the gap.

I'd rather sell it here as a damaged cpu for dirt cheap as to give back to the community honestly. 2 hundo- shipped.

It's the deal where I could obtain a 5.5ghz all core at stock in the same power envelope or lower than a 13700K.

Or I could build an AM5 rig instead and see what everyone gloats about with X3D chips. I would overclock it too. And then probably break it. Lol. Not sure this is a platform I'd like to have for this reason.

 

[InVasMani]

That price seems plenty fair for someone looking to snag a 13700K. Not sure that would be worth it for you though to upgrade to a 14700K. Waiting on the next AMD/Intel chips to me seems most sensible in your situation.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

That price seems plenty fair for someone looking to snag a 13700K. Not sure that would be worth it for you though to upgrade to a 14700K. Waiting on the next AMD/Intel chips to me seems most sensible in your situation.

Probably not totally worth it. I buy several of cpus on any given platform usually. So it wouldn't be out of my normal.

Wants and needs lol.

 

[AusWolf]

Plural, PC with an S at the end. I have several.

Same here. That's why I don't get the Intel vs AMD vs Nvidia chicken fights.

It is debatable. The 5800X3D, last year's gaming king at over $400, is now on par with the 7600X@$200 at 720p at 4K, with the most powerful card of the moment (see TPU review at 14900K).
You can't talk about longevity in this field. You buy a "king" and in a very short time he turns into the king's jester.

That's just the evolution of computing. I don't see how the X3D is an outlier.

Or I could build an AM5 rig instead and see what everyone gloats about with X3D chips. I would overclock it too. And then probably break it. Lol. Not sure this is a platform I'd like to have for this reason.

It may be possible to tune an X3D with PBO, I guess, but I'm not sure if I'd buy one specifically for overclocking.

People confuse temperature with watts? Oh noes it's 95 degrees...panic...at 65 watts!

This! People forget that different CPUs dissipate heat differently. Chiplet CPUs actually need the lower power consumption, because they're harder to cool at the same wattage.

 

[Toothless]

RTX 4090 was used in both, probably the same models. The difference is made by the newly launched processors (13/14th and 7000X3D) and, probably, the new games tested.
The reality shows us that a year and a few months after the launch it is at the level of a Ryzen 5@200$. Great deal, what can I say.


Undervolting = Voltage
IccMax = Amperage.
There is a big difference between them. For example, high voltage cannot kill you if the amperage is very low (electrostatic discharges can reach a million volts).

It literally says RTX3080 in the one I pulled.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Same here. That's why I don't get the Intel vs AMD vs Nvidia chicken fights.

It may be possible to tune an X3D with PBO, I guess, but I'm not sure if I'd buy one specifically for overclocking. .

Because people like to share opinions while bashing others opinions. It happens, but would be more productive without feelings being involved.

Nope, I'd overclock and break it for sure.

 

[Gica]

It literally says RTX3080 in the one I pulled.

And, in both scenarios (3080 and 4090), 5800X3D = 7600(X). If you want us to expand, in your scenario, 5800X3D is 1% better than... 12100F.
The tragicomedy of a processor launched a year ago and which lost the top 10. This will also be the fate of the 7800X3D in 12-16 months. Until then, hard marketing for the victims to buy as many processors as possible with a minimum 30% higher price and for which they offer, in the perfect scenarios, 1% extra performance. AMD win, but I have great doubts about the "victory" of the marketing victims.

 

[AusWolf]

And, in both scenarios (3080 and 4090), 5800X3D = 7600(X). If you want us to expand, in your scenario, 5800X3D is 1% better than... 12100F.
The tragicomedy of a processor launched a year ago and which lost the top 10. This will also be the fate of the 7800X3D in 12-16 months. Until then, hard marketing for the victims to buy as many processors as possible with a minimum 30% higher price and for which they offer, in the perfect scenarios, 1% extra performance. AMD win, but I have great doubts about the "victory" of the marketing victims.

Zen 5 will be faster than Zen 4? You don't say?

Seriously though, Coffee Lake launched two months after I bought my 7700K, essentially relegating it to Core i5 status. Then a year later, Coffee Lake Refresh came, then Comet Lake, and my 7700K was suddenly competing with an i3. Then AMD launched the R3 3100 and 3300X which ran miles around the 7700K while costing a fraction of what I paid for it, and using half as much power. It's normal, it's called progress.

Or do you think the 14900K will remain the fastest Intel CPU forever? Look at the charts again and see where the 12900K, 11900K, or the 9900K are now.

Nobody in their right mind is expecting X3D CPUs to hold up against future generations. But we do expect them to fare a little bit better in the long run than their non-X3D siblings.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Zen 5 will be faster than Zen 4? You don't say?

Seriously though, Coffee Lake launched about two months after I bought my 7700K, essentially relegating it to Core i5 status. Then a year later, Coffee Lake Refresh came, then Comet Lake, and my 7700K was suddenly competing with an i3. Then AMD launched the R3 3100 and 3300X which ran miles around it while costing a fraction of what I paid for the 7700K and using half the power. It's normal, it's called progress.

Or do you think the 14900K will remain the fastest Intel CPU forever? Look at the charts again and see where the 12900K, 11900K, or the 9900K are now.

Nobody in their right mind is expecting X3D CPUs to hold up against future generations. But we do expect them to fare a little bit better in the long run than their non-X3D siblings.

There are some things that I am curious about though. Is the rate of new games being accelerated by X3D increasing or decreasing? Do we know what contributes to games being accelerated by X3D and is AMD working with game developers and compiler/framework devs to ensure people can take advantage of X3D going into the future?

 

[AusWolf]

There are some things that I am curious about though. Is the rate of new games being accelerated by X3D increasing or decreasing? Do we know what contributes to games being accelerated by X3D and is AMD working with game developers and compiler/framework devs to ensure people can take advantage of X3D going into the future?

As always, that will depend on which direction consoles take, I guess.

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

As always, that will depend on which direction consoles take, I guess.

I think its likely that X3D WILL benefit games in the mid to long term purely due to the fact that games have been getting sloppier in memory management and cache sizes have no real way of catching up. Until we see things like Quad+ channel memory become mainstream on desktops the bandwidth/latency penalty going to DRAM is always going to be a bottleneck, even if its only from a .1/1% lows beneift vs outright FPS increase.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Current AMD 3D technology is a repurposed server stuff for gaming and as such is not ideal - see problems with cooling and lower frequency. Much better would be the cache on the same piece of silicone as cores.