7800X3D vs 14900K video by HWUB. What would you choose for gaming?

[freeagent]

I do not like idle power draw of AMD CPUs.

Like.. you mean low?

Because thats what they are..

Outside of that.. I do not like the way AMD split the market, I think a CPU should be able to do everything well, not just one thing. I do have an LGA1700 board that I will be dropping a 14th gen part into

 

[AusWolf]

I do not like the way AMD split the market, I think a CPU should be able to do everything well, not just one thing.

How about the 7900X3D or 7950X3D?

 

[Frick]

Both CPUs can be used for gaming, but in terms of comparability, these chips are completely different (one has a tripple count of the cores than the other, price, locked/unlocked, frequencies).

Sure. But they're both the best gaming CPUs for their respective platforms, which was the point of the video.

I have no doubt that the second gen of AM5 chipset/motherboards will be much more mature than the first gen. I think that the last gen LGA1700 is easier go get going and more reliable than the first gen AM5 boards. I think that X670E and 7800X3D are just a prelude to what AM5 can do this year. 7800X3D is not the best thing ever, it is a worst kind of gaming CPU for AM5 socket. (I am cunningly waiting for better things to come while surviving on an adjusted 14900K)

I don't know what you mean here. Is the 7800x3d bad because the future AM5 CPUs will be faster than it?

 

[Aquinus]

Like.. you mean low?

Because thats what they are..

Outside of that.. I do not like the way AMD split the market, I think a CPU should be able to do everything well, not just one thing. I do have an LGA1700 board that I will be dropping a 14th gen part into

What makes you think that the 7800X3D can't? From what I've seen, it holds its own fairly well.

 

[izy]

Would be cool if there will be an 8925x3d with 10/12 core single CCD and 4.4Ghzbase / 5.5Ghz boost

On topic , i think for a gaming computer 7800x3d is the way to go , i have an 5700x and it does job at 1080p/1440p dual monitor just fine for gaming and working and im compiling java script (react native) + VMs and stuff and i dont feel that im slowed down too much while compiling stuff because of the CPU (when/if streaming you can use an NVDIA GPU) , ofc would be great for more cores , a 12core with 3D cache single CCD would be ideal for gaming and productivity but i dont think a normal coder loses too much time even with an 7800x3d when his working from home and its easier to cool than Intel, if your main use its working then you can go for i9/7950x, you can game just fine on them while speeding up your work and for bigger workloads i think many coders are using the cloud nowdays anyway.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

I don't know what you mean here. Is the 7800x3d bad because the future AM5 CPUs will be faster than it?

Yes, I believe AM5 socket will bring a lot of VERY interesting stuff in the future. I do not believe it is necessary to jump in this socket in its "prelude phase".

 

[Frick]

Yes, I believe AM5 socket will bring a lot of VERY interesting stuff in the future. I do not believe it is necessary to jump in this socket in its "prelude phase".

And because of that the 7800x3d is "the worst kind of gaming CPU" today?

 

[ratirt]

7800X3D is not the best thing ever, it is a worst kind of gaming CPU for AM5 socket.

That statement is honestly the most ridiculous thing I've read so far this week.
How is it possible that the worst gaming CPU comes out on top for most games, uses lowest power while gaming and costs half of what the other company's best can offer for gaming is mind boggling.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Bruh. You do realize that the 14900k basically jumps on the thermal limiter unless you get something like a 240mm AIO at least. You really can't talk about temperature and expect the 14900k to be winning any brownie points.

At its official power limit of 253W is very easy to cool, provided it is not bent in the socket and the base of a cooler is not bent either. BTW I found that Arctic AIOs can have pretty bent bases too due to overtightened screws. If you put bent cooler on a bent CPU, bad things happen.

That statement is honestly the most ridiculous thing I've read so far this week.

I believe that AMD will bring a special gaming CPU for AM5 socket each year, and they will improve each year. Thus, the first in the line is the worst one.

You are probably of the opinion that Vcache only makes a difference when using something like a 4090.

I have just a 4070 with 1440p monitor. I do not believe a special gaming CPU with V-cache could help me here.

 

[ratirt]

I believe that AMD will bring a special gaming CPU for AM5 socket each year, and they will improve each year. Thus, the first in the line is the worst one.

OK so what does that have to do with comparison to Intel's best gaming CPU when AMD comes on top basically and yet is called the worst processor for gaming? What kind of metric do you use to even say that? Because in the future you will be able to upgrade that CPU to an even faster one (lets say for gaming) and that is discrediting the 7800x3d to be worth buying for gaming considering the 3 basic and crucial aspects, performance, power usage and price. Being able to upgrade does not discredit 7800x3d being one of the best for gaming.
I only hope AMD will release CPUs in the future that will trump 7800x3ds performance for gaming. That is called an advancement and I'm looking forward to it. Instead of buying a new platform you just slap a new CPU and you double the performance. That is great but what you are saying its like a disadvantage for some reason.

 

[AusWolf]

At its official power limit of 253W is very easy to cool, provided it is not bent in the socket and the base of a cooler is not bent either. BTW I found that Arctic AIOs can have pretty bent bases too due to overtightened screws. If you put bent cooler on a bent CPU, bad things happen.

Why are you looking for an excuse to cool 253 W when you can just cool 80-85? (That's how much the 7800X3D consumes under full load)

I believe that AMD will bring a special gaming CPU for AM5 socket each year, and they will improve each year. Thus, the first in the line is the worst one.

On that logic, you should never buy a CPU because the one coming a year later will always be better. Also, selling and upgrading are a thing, especially on AMD.

 

[phanbuey]

What makes you think that the 7800X3D can't? From what I've seen, it holds its own fairly well.

Dude it has the workstation / application performance of a non-k i5, and is slower than a 7700x...

It can't do everything - it's a gaming processor. It gets smoked by 45W laptop chips in applications.

 

[ratirt]

On that logic, you should never buy a CPU because the one coming a year later will always be better. Also, selling and upgrading are a thing, especially on AMD.

for Intel you can, there is rarely anything coming out on the same platform that would be considered worthy. 13th and 14th gen is a good example. there's also few in the past that would stick with the notion.
I can't understand people defending the company by making a statement like 'it is bad because you can upgrade to a faster later in the future'.
All I can say is WTF to that.

It can't do everything - it's a gaming processor. It gets smoked by 45W laptop chips with more cores.

you are mistaken. It is a gaming CPU but you can literally do anything other CPUs can do.

 

[AusWolf]

Dude it has the workstation / application performance of a non-k i5, and is slower than a 7700x...

That doesn't mean it's unusable for anything other than gaming. There's nothing wrong with using that non-K i5 for workstation purposes, either.

 

[phanbuey]

you are mistaken. It is a gaming CPU but you can literally do anything other CPUs can do.

Obv you CAN... you CAN do workstation tasks on an all e-core N class cpu. But it's not ideal.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Why are you looking for an excuse to cool 253 W when you can just cool 80-85? (That's how much the 7800X3D consumes under full load)


On that logic, you should never buy a CPU because the one coming a year later will always be better. Also, selling and upgrading are a thing, especially on AMD.

I have two stages of taming 14900K, one is 5500/4200/180W and the second 5000/4000/150W. I do not want a 250W CPU and so I did not adjust it that way.

I made a decision not to buy a first gen stuff for AM5.

 

[AusWolf]

for Intel you can, there is rarely anything coming out on the same platform that would be considered worthy.

How is that a good thing? You're stuck with what you have until you upgrade the whole platform, while on AMD, you can have the fastest gaming CPU and swap it for something even faster in the future.

 

[freeagent]

How about the 7900X3D or 7950X3D?

I already have the board

What makes you think that the 7800X3D can't? From what I've seen, it holds its own fairly well.

Sure, its a CPU.. but it cannot compare to a dual CCD chip when it comes to work.

 

[ratirt]

Obv you CAN... you CAN do workstation tasks on an all e-core N class cpu. But it's not ideal.

That is why it is a gaming CPU right? Because it excels in this task with a top notch Intel counterpart which costs way more and uses way more power.

 

[AusWolf]

I have two stages of taming 14900K, one is 5500/4200/180W and the second 5000/4000/150W. I do not want a 250W CPU and so I did not adjust it that way.

I made a decision not to buy a first gen stuff for AM5.

And that's cool! I just don't see how any of this takes away from the 7800X3D's value.

 

[phanbuey]

That is why it is a gaming CPU right? Because it excels in this task with a top notch Intel counterpart which costs way more and uses way more power.

It excels in gaming - it loses non-gaming to everything else 7700x and up. If you're sitting waiting around for renders to finish before you can start gaming... well... that makes a difference.

It's a gaming focused CPU -- if they put 512 mb of cache on a i5 - 14600F and it rocked in gaming, and then HWUB did a video of it compared to the 7950X in gaming, I would say the same thing.

Notice they didn't compare the 7950X3D - because that would have been much more of an apples to apples comparison.

 

[ratirt]

And how is that a good thing?

For me it isn't for people stating AMD's 7800x3d is crap for gaming because you will be able to upgrade is like a dream come true to get an intel top cpu and be stuck with it unless you spend some serious buck to get a new platfrom

 

[AusWolf]

For me it isn't for people stating AMD's 7800x3d is crap for gaming because you will be able to upgrade is like a dream come true to get an intel top cpu and be stuck with it unless you spend some serious buck to get a new platfrom

Exactly! Like more freedom and more choice became the enemy all of a sudden. Absolutely mind-boggling.

 

[Aquinus]

Sure, its a CPU.. but it cannot compare to a dual CCD chip when it comes to work.

Example of a real world use case that a consumer would be doing that the 7800X3D can't handle?

I'm not saying that you're wrong and the 7900X3D is more in line with the price of a 14900k, however I think we need to be realistic in our analysis of "if it's good enough." I'd say that 9/10, it probably is.

For me it isn't for people stating AMD's 7800x3d is crap for gaming because you will be able to upgrade is like a dream come true to get an intel top cpu and be stuck with it unless you spend some serious buck to get a new platfrom

This is a good point. At least if you get a 7800X3D you have an upgrade path. What's the upgrade path for the 14900k? Zilch. Hell, AMD will probably reuse AM5 for the 8000-series chips too. Intel likes switching sockets every other year it feels like.

 

[ratirt]

It excels in gaming - it loses non-gaming to everything else 7700x and up. If you're sitting waiting around for renders to finish before you can start gaming... well... that makes a difference.

That is why it is called gaming CPU. For the price you pay for that one just for gaming, you get excellent performance for half the price of Intel's. You can also do other stuff with it as you please although a tad slower. I don't mind that considering the price.