7800X3D vs 14900K video by HWUB. What would you choose for gaming?

[Assimilator]

7800X3D is not a Titan, it is a specialized midget very good at what it is specialized at. Usually nobody would make fun of Titan needing more food than a midget...

Your fanboyism is obnoxious.

 

[Dragam1337]

Both CPUs can be used for gaming, but in terms of comparability, these chips are completely different (one has a tripple count of the cores than the other, price, locked/unlocked, frequencies).

That is why I wrote about vibe of the video, not everything is in words and numbers. Steve had a troll gleam in his eyes...

Limiting power / frequencies of both 14900K and 7950X makes perfect sense to prevent overheating and to increase efficiency.

I have no problem accepting that 14900K will have a bit (if I remember correctly it is around a third) lower power efficiency caused by the old process it is made on, and that it is slower for gaming (I have a mid tier graphic card and I am limited by it, so it is not slower for me).

I view a 14900K as a building set you can use to build a CPU you want. I do not like how it is set out of the box.

I also do not like how AMD CPUs have thick small heatspreaders, are hard to cool and are set to hit temperature limits.

I also do not like that you do need to buy the frame for Intel CPUs, because the stock socket mounting mechanism really bends them. On the other hand, they have normal thin heatspreader and are easy to cool even at pretty high power draw, you really do not need to mod them (delid, etc) in any way.

I do not like idle power draw of AMD CPUs.

I have no doubt that the second gen of AM5 chipset/motherboards will be much more mature than the first gen. I think that the last gen LGA1700 is easier go get going and more reliable than the first gen AM5 boards. I think that X670E and 7800X3D are just a prelude to what AM5 can do this year. 7800X3D is not the best thing ever, it is a worst kind of gaming CPU for AM5 socket. (I am cunningly waiting for better things to come while surviving on an adjusted 14900K)

You can think about such stuff as above quite rationally and objectively without any gleam in your eyes.

What a surprise, OP is a 14900k owner who is coping hardcore, and butthurt that steve didn't have nice things to say about it...

 

[izy]

7800X3D is not a Titan, it is a specialized midget very good at what it is specialized at. Usually nobody would make fun of Titan needing more food than a midget...

If the midget does the work that his supposed to do and his only 5% slower than the Titan but his eating only 1/4 of the food we can make fun of the Titan

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Your fanboyism is obnoxious.

I admitted that settings out of the box of 14900K are unacceptable for me, that Intel CPUs are made on an old energy inefficient process, that they have worse gaming performance, that they bend in sockets and need special mounting frames.

Is there even anything else I can admit? I will gladly think about that.

 

[Frick]

I mean.... ok. We can play that game - but anyone with a brain would understand that if you're ONLY GAMING you probably shouldn't spend double the money and add an extra 100W of power for that last 2 fps.

Yeah. I haven't watched the video, but surely that was the point of it.

 

[freeagent]

Huh? Are you saying that a CPU needing more power is a good thing now?

Yup, my 5900X and 5600X perform better with more power

 

[BoggledBeagle]

If the midget does the work that his supposed to do and his only 5% slower than the Titan but his eating only 1/4 of the food we can make fun of the Titan

The old balding hungry Titan has normal hands and can do much more stuff than the midget who has spanners instead of hands and excells only at driving bolts.

 

[wNotyarD]

The old balding hungry Titan has normal hands and can do much more stuff than the midget who has spanners instead of hands and excells only at driving bolts.

The point of the review is precisely the excellence at driving bolts. Nothing else than that.

 

[kapone32]

7800X3D is not a Titan, it is a specialized midget very good at what it is specialized at. Usually nobody would make fun of Titan needing more food than a midget...

Actually let's use cars. In Gaming the 14900K is like a Chevy Grand National. A super fast car that has tons of horsepower. The 7800X3D is like a LMP3 racing car. Designed specifically for the track and designed to be more aerodynamic allowing for more down force and faster overall speed on a racing track. When idle the Intel 14900K is like a Ford Escort. While the 7800X3D is like a Honda Accord but this is about Gaming so the first holds more water. If you want to move up to LMP2 you get a 7900X/7950X3D (Just ask owners) and if you want the new LMDH spec in Desktop CPUs 7900 TR is exactly that. The only thing Intel has in their stable is a Ford GT40 so they cannot compete in endurance racing with that.

They need a real innovation in CPU architecture at Intel. They are not in trouble but new revenue streams are primarily the market of AMD in the part of the space most of us care about. Through marketing they have both created a space where we can argue all day about Intel vs AMD but what is telling is what Intel themselves have been saying lately like the Snake Oil story and this latest Meteor Lake being faster in Gaming for IGPU when that has not been true since AMD launched it's first APU back in 2012 or 14 (I don't remember exactly).

I will add this. I watched the Level 1 review of the Minisforum BD770I and realized that AMD has in Minisforum a way to destroy budget Gaming. That is a Mini-ITX board loaded with a 7745HX chip. 2 5.0 M2 slots, 2 DIMM slots and a full 5.0 x16 PCIe slot (wired) for $399 (Currently) is crazy value for money. In this fever that is taking SFF that should be quite popular as knowledge of it grows. If it goes the way of handhelds we may actually have a true cost effective Mini ITX solution for enthusiasts. Hooking this back to the thread that is what makes the 7800X3d a better buy. We have seen improved performance on every generation of Ryzen since 2017 and they are a much richer company today than then. It is obvious V-cache works. Imagine if the 8800X3D could do 5.5 GHZ all cores. If that is true all you have to do is buy a CPU. That is from A620 to X670E and every price you can think of in between. Sell your 7800X3D for like $200 and enjoy the $200 upgrade that gives you that smile, when you install compelling hardware and use it for the first time.

 

[Bill_Bright]

But it's literally an entirely gaming focused video the title says it, the testing shows it, and even the power is limited to the game test suite (which incidentally also makes the 14900K look better than it is). Not sure why all the cope

however I will point out that products can compete even if Intel or AMD doesn't say that it's competing with a particular segment.

Yes, the video says the comparison is gaming focused. And yes, products can compete even if not marketed as competing products.

Not the point. The point is, just because the reviewer claims the focus is on a particular task, does that make it a fair comparison when the products being compared are not marketed for that task? I say, "no".

I use trucks, sedans and SUVs again as an example. Is it fair to compare them all against each other and declare, just to illustrate, the sedan as best because it has a smoother ride? No.

If you look at the marketing hype for just the trucks, each claim to be #1 - and they are. Truck A gets the best gas mileage. Truck B can haul more and Truck C gets to 60mph faster.

Paper towels and toilet paper are both paper products, is it fair to claim toilet paper best because paper towels are too scratchy on our sensitive regions?

FTR - just because the reported results/findings in a comparison review are 100% factual (and I am not disputing those), that does not mean the reviewer, or tests are not biased or totally objective.

Yes, the AMD in this review is better at gaming. Does that make it the best CPU? Nope

 

[kapone32]

Yes, the video says the comparison is gaming focused. And yes, products can compete even if not marketed as competing products.

Not the point. The point is, just because the reviewer claims the focus is on a particular task, does that make it a fair comparison when the products being compared are not marketed for that task? I say, "no".

I use trucks, sedans and SUVs again as an example. Is it fair to compare them all against each other and declare, just to illustrate, the sedan as best because it has a smoother ride? No.

If you look at the marketing hype for just the trucks, each claim to be #1 - and they are. Truck A gets the best gas mileage. Truck B can haul more and Truck C gets to 60mph faster.

Paper towels and toilet paper are both paper products, is it fair to claim toilet paper best because paper towels are too scratchy on our sensitive regions?

FTR - just because the reported results/findings in a comparison review are 100% factual (and I am not disputing those), that does not mean the reviewer, or tests are not biased or totally objective.

Yes, the AMD in this review is better at gaming. Does that make it the best CPU? Nope

It all depends on your use case. for me the best CPU is that monster with 96 cores that you buy and use at home. These review sites subsist on clicks and they designed social media to reward acrimony. That is why you will hear words like useless and worthless in his reviews.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

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They need a real innovation in CPU architecture at Intel. ...

They could have built some new CPUs with already existing elements on a new modern process. In fact, they could have built some very interesting CPUs if they were willing to invest some money in it, but they probably calculated it is not worth it. Renaming and increasing frequencies are free.

 

[harm9963]

Playing at 4K RT max for my games , my tuned Asus DOCS 5950X with 3600cl14 - 4X8GB serving me well , my 4090 is giving 100 percent .

 

[thesmokingman]

PPL acting like AMD doesn't have cpus with a stupid amount of cores when they saying but it destroys the 7800X3D in applications dude!

 

[Frick]

They could have built some new CPUs with already existing elements on a new modern process. In fact, they could have built some very interesting CPUs if they were willing to invest some money in it, but they probably calculated it is not worth it. Renaming and increasing frequencies are free.

Just more big cores you mean?

 

[kapone32]

Just more big cores you mean?

Is that even possible with the TDP concerns?

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Just more big cores you mean?

I believe that with given area of current silicone they could fit 10 P cores with enlarged cache there.

Power draw would be reduced if they used a new efficient process.

 

[R0H1T]

The old balding hungry Titan

Are you fan of Shingeki no Kyojin or JHH, never seen someone mention so many Titans in the same thread

 

[wNotyarD]

Are you fan of Shingeki no Kyojin or JHH, never seen someone mention so many Titans in the same thread

Haven't ever seen a GTX Titan review discussion?

 

[R0H1T]

Titans are history & that's why I said either a fan of JHH?

 

[A Computer Guy]

Steve is right and has no reason to be embarrassed, he made the video about gaming performance and even mentioned if you have any productivity workloads the 14900K is superior...

One exception to this might be in cases of virtualization and using virtual machines. To my knowledge users of VMWare Workstation would need to set special config options to deal with big.little to ensure their VM's hit the correct cores. To me it seems ultimately you are more limited in the number of performance cores with Intel at the consumer level 12th,13th,14th gen compared to AMD's more uniform core design (excluding x3d/non-x3d CCD mashup cpus) where 3950x/5950x/7950x would be more suitable. I imagine there must be similar headaches running ESXi or other virtualization platforms on a big.little based CPU.

 

[rv8000]

I never doubt the numbers that they present, they seem very reliable.

I do however think Steve adds far too much personal flair to the whole thing for my liking, his derogatory comments and general attitude is inflammatory and borderline trollish. I don't think he'll ever regret it though, it's been his style for years, and it's his platform.... I tend to skip his lengthy monologues and dribbling's at the end and just absorb the objective parts of the reviews, the charts

I will also add however that while I don't doubt the numbers he gets, he gets certain numbers by carefully crafting the testing methodology to show the result that he wanted to show all along. For example some 8GB VRAM stuff recently, some beautifully constructed tests to purposely cripple 8GB cards, largely using scenario's no sane person would, just to make his uhh... point.

If you want to talk about inflammatory and trollish content when it comes to reviews, look no further than the king of smelling his own… I mean gamers nexus.

HW unboxed is, on average, pretty neutral and will call out any brand when they find it necessary. They regularly roast AMD when it comes to anything driver related lately (FSR Frame gen, etc..)

The OP clearly wanted an echo chamber to rant about absolutely nothing as the entire premise of the review/video was the best “gaming” cpu; every review online will show the that the 7800X3D is in fact that. And sadly enough theres now a 5 page thread I’m adding to where the local intel fanbois are making pointless justifications or moving goal posts.

 

[A Computer Guy]

He also literally says "I tried to think of some cons of the 7800x3d and couldn't come up with any!" -- guy who failed a 7800x3d build on livestream due to motherboard/platform issues.

Potential Cons (tangential to the CPU)

• Generally higher priced motherboards if you want a lot better I/O options.
• DDR5 memory growing pains?

But they are testing the fastest for gaming from the two camps. What is it that you dont understand?
14600K still loses to 7800x3d in gaming and consumes more power than 7800x3d. What they did is test the fastest FOR GAMING from both camps. What that means is, their main focus is gaming performance in that comparison.

I remember reading somewhere that Intel 12th, 13th (and 14th gen assumed) do really well in emulation gaming.
Specifically RPCS3 as an example: https://hothardware.com/photo-galle...on-3-emulator-performance-chart.jpg&tag=popup
I wish GN and HW covered topics on emulation performance.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Playing at 4K RT max for my games , my tuned Asus DOCS 5950X with 3600cl14 - 4X8GB serving me well , my 4090 is giving 100 percent .

There are a few games that have issues especially with heavy RT but otherwise same for me at least not enough to make me want to upgrade although a 5800X3D with it being so cheap has been tempting.

I remember reading somewhere that Intel 12th, 13th (and 14th gen assumed) do really well in emulation gaming.
Specifically RPCS3 as an example: https://hothardware.com/photo-galle...on-3-emulator-performance-chart.jpg&tag=popup
I wish GN and HW covered topics on emulation performance.

It was really good till intel decided avx 512 was not for regular consumers and as much as I would love them to do the testing it is probably way to variable game to game to get a good idea what is the best option and emulating old games is probably pretty niche as it is.



Again to the OPs original post it is a fun comparison nothing more nobody in the market for an i9 unless they are stupidly buying it just for gaming is gonna look at the 7800X3D and go jeez that is the cpu to buy it's the same with people in the market for a 7950X/7950X3D..... At the end of the day we are all spending our own hard earned money so even if we want to buy a ridiculous cpu just for gaming that's up to the person making the purchase who cares otherwise. Some people like red coolaid some like blue others prefer green or a mix of the two nothing wrong with having a preference.

 

[wNotyarD]

I remember reading somewhere that Intel 12th, 13th (and 14th gen assumed) do really well in emulation gaming.
Specifically RPCS3 as an example: https://hothardware.com/photo-galle...on-3-emulator-performance-chart.jpg&tag=popup
I wish GN and HW covered topics on emulation performance.

There's at least a bit on it here on TPU (RPCS3 and Ryujinx):

Intel Core i5-14600K Review - Impressive OC Potential

Intel Core i5-14600K is the most affordable new processor released today. While it may look weaker on paper it still packs an impressive punch, especially for gaming. In our review we reached an impressive 5.7 GHz on all cores, which unlocks quite a bit of additional performance.

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