AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

[Xzibit]

Very true. And why did they recommend B450's? Because there was nothing better in the market to recommend (for the majority of their audience). And why did they think B450's had longevity? Because AMD has been selling the whole platform with longevity. And MSI went as far as to launch a whole series of B450 MAX motherboards, marketing them as future proof products.

So where did HWU do wrong?

Its been said but still escapes the mind. AM4 Socket support doesn't equal Chipset support. The intro to the video makes it clear then it goes on to, Well they should do this or we think they should do that because of this and that.

BTW, Didn't they (HWU) have a poll and the majority of their audience/replies said it was unfortunate not bothered or will upgrade the motherboard. Only 1/4th were upset.

So its the people who take their recommendations to heart

 

[Super XP]

Wait? No. So my planned 3 generation CPU path on one, original mobo is shafted? I'm pretty sure it was never promised but I'm certain future upgrade on the old X370 was spoken on for Zen 3?

If true, this sucks big time.

Speculation and all, but I believe AMD had issues ensuring full ZEN3 utilization with x370 mobo's. They did mention Socket AM4 compatibility back in the day, though I don't remember them talking about chipset clarification. A lot can happen in 3 years.

 

[specopsFI]

Its been said but still escapes the mind. AM4 Socket support doesn't equal Chipset support. The intro to the video makes it clear then it goes on to, Well they should do this or we think they should do that because of this and that.

BTW, Didn't they (HWU) have a poll and the majority of their audience/replies said it was unfortunate not bothered or will upgrade the motherboard. Only 1/4th were upset.

So its the people who take their recommendations to heart

I'm sure you, in principle, agree that socket support is completely pointless without chipset support? Denying compatibility for a pin-compatible product is in no way different from actually changing the socket. But that's pedantic at best.

The poll showed a rather big unhappy camp compared to market penetration of the B450/X470 chipsets. People who are not affected by any of this have a low tendency to be very upset about it...

 

[bug]

I'm sure you, in principle, agree that socket support is completely pointless without chipset support? Denying compatibility for a pin-compatible product is in no way different from actually changing the socket. But that's pedantic at best.

The poll showed a rather big unhappy camp compared to market penetration of the B450/X470 chipsets. People who are not affected by any of this have a low tendency to be very upset about it...

Turning this upside down, how can anyone ever be happy because of lack of support?
But there's a difference between "this doesn't work. bummer" and pulling out the pitchforks.

 

[trparky]

I know that I said earlier that I was going to back out of this thread but I'm just going to leave this here...

Got to love the thumbnail pic for this one. Steve, you're hilarious.

 

[windwhirl]

Got to love the thumbnail pic for this one. Steve, you're hilarious.

Honestly, I was tired of all the debate and back-and-forth about this matter, but I'm gonna watch that video just because of the thumbnail

 

[Melvis]

Ah, my bad. I thought that was the poster's point. Do I feel silly now...

Thats ok! we all realised how silly you where for your comments and not having the intellect to be able to view Videos or read comments, so all good! At least now you know

 

[ValenOne]

The pure, kind, patron saint AMD took off her veil to spite all the loyal followers?

The law has a term for this... bait and switch.

There's another term for presenting themselves as virtuous but has similar behavior has their condemned targets... hypocrites.

 

[NoJuan999]

I still have hope that MB manufacturers will offer support for 4000 Series CPUs on B450 and X470 motherboards via BIOS updates.

AMD Ryzen 4000 Series "Vermeer" CPUs to be Compatible with B450 Motherboards

AMD's upcoming Ryzen 4000 series "Vermeer" lineup of CPUs based on the new Zen 3 core is slated to launch sometime in late 2020, and we have information about the chipset support of 4th generation of Ryzen CPUs. The laptop manufacturer XMG, known for its crazy Apex 15 laptop with 16 core AMD...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[bug]

There's another term for presenting themselves as virtuous but has similar behavior has their condemned targets... hypocrites.

Come on. This is not hypocrisy, it's just business. When you're not at the top of your game, you pretty much have to play nice (since your products are not competitive enough). And when you get on top, your shareholders will make sure they're getting paid.
And that's disregarding the possibility Zen3 is actually incompatible with chipsets built for CPUs two iterations older.

If there's anything amiss here, it's people building a mental image of a company based on company's own PR and kind words.

 

[authorized]

Its been said but still escapes the mind. AM4 Socket support doesn't equal Chipset support. The intro to the video makes it clear then it goes on to, Well they should do this or we think they should do that because of this and that.

AM4 support equals chipset support in context of cpu upgrades so that kind of defense seems childish. "Technically" they didn't say that, who cares, they misled people.

I agree with what he's saying in the video, but presenting that "what they should have said" statement was very cringy.

There's a silver lining for everyone who bought a bugdet oriented B450 motherboard - even if you have to buy a new B550 motherboard, a total cost will be about the same as if you bought an X570 in the first place.

 

[ValenOne]

Come on. This is not hypocrisy, it's just business. When you're not at the top of your game, you pretty much have to play nice (since your products are not competitive enough). And when you get on top, your shareholders will make sure they're getting paid.
And that's disregarding the possibility Zen3 is actually incompatible with chipsets built for CPUs two iterations older.

If there's anything amiss here, it's people building a mental image of a company based on company's own PR and kind words.

Business entity = separate legal entity from owners.

Being in business is not an excuse for behaving badly or opening the business for a class action e.g. https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...ertising-class-action-lawsuit-bulldozer-chips

It looks like AMD deserves another class action. LOL. https://community.amd.com/thread/252855

 

[bug]

Business entity = separate legal entity from owners.

Being in business is not an excuse for behaving badly or opening the business for a class action e.g. https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...ertising-class-action-lawsuit-bulldozer-chips

It looks like AMD deserves another class action. LOL. https://community.amd.com/thread/252855

You really think "socket support should equal chipset support" will stand in court?

 

[las]

Just in time to cut 300 and 400 series chipset support for 4000 series

2 gens of support on a consumer platform is enough. Lets go. Focus on new stuff and stop wasting time on supporting old stuff. Can't blame AMD for this.

 

[ValenOne]

You really think "socket support should equal chipset support" will stand in court?

"Upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard".

 

[EarthDog]

"Upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard".

"subject to future roadmap modifications"

 

[Caring1]

"Upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard".

Cherry picking what the slide says doesn't help your argument.
It clearly shows until 2020.
Guess what year it is now!

 

[ValenOne]

Cherry picking what the slide says doesn't help your argument.
It clearly shows until 2020.
Guess what year it is now!

Not my problem since I don't own B450 and X470.

AMD Community | AMD

community.amd.com

"subject to future roadmap modifications"

MSI is in legal hot water.

 

[bug]

@rvalencia You're grasping at straws at this point. Let it rest.

 

[las]

"Upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard".

Yes, feel free to upgrade to 3000 series. They did not really lie.

 

[Super XP]

"Upgrade your processor without buying a new motherboard".

It says Socket AM4 compatibility, but mentions nothing about chipsets. I think AMD is making a good decision here IMO. Sometimes trying to support old chipsets with new processors hinders the overall system performance or that old chipset hinders the new CPU potential.
Some might call this a cash grab, I don't, I believe AMD wants Zero performance compromise and if that's not supporting x370 then so be it. IMO

 

[bug]

It says Socket AM4 compatibility, but mentions nothing about chipsets. I think AMD is making a good decision here IMO. Sometimes trying to support old chipsets with new processors hinders the overall system performance or that old chipset hinders the new CPU potential.
Some might call this a cash grab, I don't, I believe AMD wants Zero performance compromise and if that's not supporting x370 then so be it. IMO

It's also not supporting X470, but I'm still not going to burn AMD to the stake for that

AMD shot themselves in the foot because now more people will realize they may not be the dreamy company they paint themselves to be: they did not shy away from making vague/borderline misleading statements, first chance they got. But that's AMD's problem to deal with.

 

[ARF]

And now what...... B550 will support only one generation because next year is AM5 and something completely different?!
Well, bad timing for a poor decision.

 

[BerserkerGuts]

Fuuu you @#$% AMD will skip this piece of @#$% series 4xxxx not doing intel thing every mainboard need new

 

[bug]

And now what...... B550 will support only one generation because next year is AM5 and something completely different?!
Well, bad timing for a poor decision.

B550 will support Zen2 and Zen3. Sure, it's ridiculously late for Zen2, but two generations on the same socket is about par for the course.
And I'm not sure if a Zen3+ is in the cards, that may also run on the B550.