AMD Contemplates Bundled Water-Cooling for Some FX-Series Processors

[Wile E]

i disagree... people who buy the fastest processor are usually people who dont overclock but want the highest speed... if you overclock you can buy a slower chip for less and get faster speeds

I disagree.

Enthusiasts who can afford the best generally do buy the best and overclock.

Rarely do you have an average gamer or non enthusiasts drop thousands or hundreds of dollars for a CPU or GPU and won't overclock.

Yep. I bought the best to OC it. At the time, nothing else even came remotely close.


That said, what about those of use that already have high end cooling? I am only for this if it is just an option, and there's a cheaper retail package (with associated retail warranty) that leaves this out.

 

[twicksisted]

I disagree.



Yep. I bought the best to OC it. At the time, nothing else even came remotely close.


That said, what about those of use that already have high end cooling? I am only for this if it is just an option, and there's a cheaper retail package (with associated retail warranty) that leaves this out.

You build your own rigs and overclock so of course for you would not buy a chip to keep it stock... we are the whole market... a lot of OEM's use the fastest CPU equivalents in their high end rigs and these are generally non-overclockable systems. Theres also a lot of business users, designers, sound/video editors etc who wouldnt dream of building their own pc or overclocking it but need the fastest available for their work.

 

[Wile E]

You said people buying cpus. That, to me, inferred those that build their own, and are just buying the cpu itself. I wasn't aware you were referring to OEMs stuffing them in their systems, and people buying the entire system.

 

[twicksisted]

aaah yes, i did say that but did not mean "buy" the processor on its own and put it in a system... i meant people who buy choose a system with a processor type inside, be it the fastest intel extreme/or AMD equivalent arent always doing it to overclock.

 

[Wile E]

Well, that statement make a bit more sense to me then. I don't exactly know the numbers to confirm or deny, but I understand the logic.

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

The 100 dollar question I guess is will they all come this way or will there be a non OEM version that comes minus the water cooling, and if they all come with the water cooling what will the price premium be?

 

[cadaveca]

The way I figure it, the price premium won't be much higher than $15-$20 over cost of the CPU without any cooling.

Figure this:

H50 is like $45 local. Retailers, Corsair, and Asetek, all make money from the sale of this unit. Actual cost to produce is very little.

AMD cuts out Corsair in thsi situation, in the least. They cna still offer retailers the same cash from other CPU salkes, and nothing from the actual water kit, making this a very good option.

Of course, i do not think that the ONLY way to run these chips would be with the supplied cooler, and if it's true that they REQUIRE such cooling, I'm not gonna be very impressed.

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

The way I figure it, the price premium won't be much higher than $15-$20 over cost of the CPU without any cooling.

Figure this:

H50 is like $45 local. Retailers, Corsair, and Asetek, all make money from the sale of this unit. Actual cost to produce is very little.

AMD cuts out Corsair in thsi situation, in the least. They cna still offer retailers the same cash from other CPU salkes, and nothing from the actual water kit, making this a very good option.

Of course, i do not think that the ONLY way to run these chips would be with the supplied cooler, and if it's true that they REQUIRE such cooling, I'm not gonna be very impressed.

Nor would I as IMO it would be like the old P4's, that said I can't say I am in favor of adding more than $50 to the retail price.

 

[cadaveca]

I don't think it'll add $50. If it does, clearly AMD needs to hire me to fire some others.

Still not quite impressed by thier marketing, but at least, it seems they are putting more effort as of late.

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

I don't think it'll add $50. If it does, clearly AMD needs to hire me to fire some others.

Still not quite impressed by thier marketing, but at least, it seems they are putting more effort as of late.

What marketing, wasn't this little more than AMD saying "were thinking about it"?

 

[cadaveca]

That's marketing touching base with the consumer to get reactions, and decide if it's really feasible without ruining reputation, to me.

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

That's marketing touching base with the consumer to get reactions, and decide if it's really feasible without ruining reputation, to me.

Meh, to me marketing would be a ad campaign to drum up some buzz.

 

[cadaveca]

That's what the whole "Return of FX" campaign is about.

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[erocker]

I highly doubt we'll see these coolers bundled with any chip this year. Perhaps for the BD refresh or it will be a special bundle and priced accordingly.

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

That's what the whole "Return of FX" campaign is about.

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Never heard of it.

I highly doubt we'll see these coolers bundled with any chip this year. Perhaps for the BD refresh or it will be a special bundle and priced accordingly.

THat's the opinion I was kinda coming to, it seems kinda late for them to say "OH HEY how about some closed loop coolers. . .. .".

 

[cadaveca]

THat's the opinion I was kinda coming to, it seems kinda late for them to say "OH HEY how about some closed loop coolers. . .. .".

How is it late? CPUs are not available to buy now, and aren't at stores, and would take very little time to package up and get out into the retail space.

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

How is it late? CPUs are not available to buy now, and aren't at stores, and would take very little time to package up and get out into the retail space.

Doubtful, they are set to release in about a month or so, and should they wish to avoid supply issues they are likely stockpiling before release.

 

[cadaveca]

A month or so? AMD said this? Did i miss it?

Anyway, I do think a month is enough time, as not every chip is an FX.

But also, erocker could be very right...time will tell, I suppose.

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

A month or so? AMD said this? Did i miss it?

Anyway, I do think a month is enough time, as not every chip is an FX.

But also, erocker could be very right...time will tell, I suppose.

Exactly, while fun speculation is just that. . .

 

[Halk]

and if it's true that they REQUIRE such cooling, I'm not gonna be very impressed.

Nor would the laws of physics!

Assuming these chips are the standard format - heatspreader over the CPU cores - then the already published TDP (which they have to stick to since the boards are already out) means that it's not going to be a big issue for cooling.

 

[cadaveca]

I do not agree. My 1100T CPU is rated for 125W, and pulls 155W. I can make it pull 300W @ 4 GHz. AMD rates their CPUs by what they deem "Average Comsumed Power", not MAXIMUM power, as Intel does. AMD does rate maximum as well, I'm sure, but that's not the numbers we as consumers see.

 

[pantherx12]

I do not agree. My 1100T CPU is rated for 125W, and pulls 155W.

What sort of conditions cause this to happen?

Would I explain why I have some stability issues even though temps are fine.

( cheap motherboard)

 

[cadaveca]

IntelBurnTest is a good one for excessive power consumption that near noone will ever see.

AMD says this themselves in their whitepapers, so it's not like I'm just guessing about ACP/TDP, and what it means, unfortunately.

 

[Halk]

My point was that we already have AMD chips at that TDP, so the new chips won't require watercooling.

 

[damric]

H50 could not cool my Phenom II 955 at 4.1GHZ @100% for any appreciable duration as the small total amount of water in the loop became quickly saturated, even with maximum air flow to the radiator. My hexacore @4ghz lol'd at the H50.

However, I do think that these coolers will be fine for novice overclockers that won't push too far.

I'd take the bundled water cooler and stick it on my Athlon II HTPC.