AMD Radeon RX 9070 and 9070 XT Listed On Amazon - One Buyer Snags a Unit

[Bomby569]

It's not about outselling. It's about value.

No one has any doubt that the new iPhone outsells the old one, but is it better value? I don't think so.

value is subjective. What do YOU value? better driver, better resale value, better AI crap, better DLSS tech, more vram, better Linux support, etc...
if the price is too close, AMD has no change in hell, zero. How do i know? look at the past.

Personally if i'm spending 400, i easily spend 50 more and go with Nvidia, if i'm spending 600 i will easily spend 100 more and go with Nvidia, and so on. It's not even a question i spend 1 minute considering. I will not put up with the crap i put up with RDNA1. This is what also 90% of the people do.
I will also buy a AMD card without hesitation for the right price.

 

[AusWolf]

value is subjective. What do YOU value? better driver, better resale value, better AI crap, better DLSS tech, more vram, better Linux support, etc...
if the price is too close, AMD has no change in hell, zero. How do i know? look at the past.

Better price-to-performance ratio in the games I value. I'm not sold on "features".

Personally if i'm spending 400, i easily spend 50 more and go with Nvidia, if i'm spending 600 i will easily spend 100 more and go with Nvidia, and so on. It's not even a question i spend 1 minute considering. I will not put up with the crap i put up with RDNA1. This is what also 90% of the people do.
I will also buy a AMD card without hesitation for the right price.

Well, I'm the opposite. I'd gladly pay 50 quid more for an AMD card because of the 8-pin power connector, bigger VRAM and more seamless Linux support. You're free to call these features you don't care about just like I do with DLSS and CUDA.

 

[Bomby569]

Better price-to-performance ratio in the games I value. I'm not sold on "features".


Well, I'm the opposite. I'd gladly pay 50 quid more for an AMD card because of the 8-pin power connector, bigger VRAM and more seamless Linux support. You're free to call these features you don't care about just like I do with DLSS and CUDA.

see like i said it's subjective, i'm fine with it. Those are the subjective part, no one is right or wrong here.
But you have to agree with me that you are a very small minority. Unfortunately AMD just prices their cards at a couple usd less and you'll stay a minority until they change that. Those are the facts.

 

[Tek-Check]

Unfortunately AMD just prices their cards at a couple usd less and you'll stay a minority until they change that. Those are the facts.

If you look into leaked prices, you will see that RDNA4 cards span roughly $660-850 and 5070Ti prices span $800-1,100, with only one or two basic models of RTX cards at MSRP. It's not "couple of bucks" difference, so please stop spreading misinformation and check it out first. Several AIB models of 5070Ti are literally $300 more expensive than 9070XT.

 

[AusWolf]

If you look into leaked prices, you will see that RDNA4 cards span roughly $660-850 and 5070Ti prices span $800-1,100, with only one or two basic models of RTX cards at MSRP. It's not "couple of bucks" difference, so please stop spreading misinformation and check it out first. Several AIB models of 5070Ti are literally $300 more expensive than 9070XT.

It's just our lovely modern media spreading FUD as usual. They're all about "oh look, a 9070 has been spotted", while we get nothing of the 5070. I say there's no point judging these cards on their prices before they actually get released and we see them in stores where we can actually buy them from.

 

[JAEMzWOLF]

Even taking this with a grain or even a pound of salt - does Phil Spencer ALSO run AMD's dGPU division? Entirely stock-market-focused (above ANYthing else) and entirely short-term focused (but I guess I just said the same two things in a row).

It's really baffling - but then again, Sony, of all companies, known or rather meme'd into being oh so amazing for SP games, once wanted to shove out 10 live service games - so really, anything and everything stupid is possible and WILL occur.

Screw long terms goals and having more than goldfish memory.

 

[JAEMzWOLF]

It's just our lovely modern media spreading FUD as usual. They're all about "oh look, a 9070 has been spotted", while we get nothing of the 5070. I say there's no point judging these cards on their prices before they actually get released and we see them in stores where we can actually buy them from.

It doesn't matter the performance, unless its amazingly better than xx70 cards - it doesn't matter - they HAVE to compete on price, almost no matter what actually (actual performance be damned).

Nvidia has an effective monopoly, so the "what we need to do" is quite different than, apparently, what the stock market thinks AMD should do - also, apparently, deluded fanboys.

 

[JAEMzWOLF]

What is the GPU series that was sold the most? RTX3000. What is the GPU series that was crippled the most by VRAM restrictions? RTX3000. What people bought GPUs for the most ridiculous price points? The People that bought RTX3000 series GPUs.

So it goes to reason, there will be high demand for the RTX5000, from the same people that will need to upgrade their crippled GPUs and they will not care about the price.

Ergo, it's safe to say from this point forward, it would be best to upgrade at RTX6000 / RTX8000 / RTX10 000 etc, sure you get the point.

I too had to buy one, but my reason was, I had a dead GPU and ultimately, I did wait for prices to come down a bit before making my purchase, but I too contributed to the madness, make no mistake. Anyways, just my logical deduction, take it for what you will. ^_^

Wrong - the 3000 series stagnated until after the 4000 series came out and then the 4000 series sold after it reached MSRP and used below that. Stop revising history based on whatever the Steam survey shows today = the only 4000 card that moved initially was the 4090.

 

[AusWolf]

It doesn't matter the performance, unless its amazingly better than xx70 cards - it doesn't matter - they HAVE to compete on price, almost no matter what actually (actual performance be damned).

Nvidia has an effective monopoly, so the "what we need to do" is quite different than, apparently, what the stock market thinks AMD should do - also, apparently, deluded fanboys.

Do you know actual retail pricing on the 5070, or even the 9070 series? Are you assuming that AMD isn't competing on price based on what exactly?

 

[A&P211]

yep, same for me. I think strange is the wrong word, you are looking for we have finally found what actual happiness is, and it's not the newest games, not by a longshot (though some indies are pretty baller), but hey our igpu's can run those too!

I play lots of older games at work. I bring a 135w lenovo type c charger with me, not the full 230w changer.

If I use a 100w type c charger plugged into the USB port, the power budget is only 30w, split between cpu and igpu. With the 135w charger, the budget is 54w. Might not seem alot but that 24w differnce is 1+ghz on the cpu. It helps with older titles that are single core games.

 

[Random_User]

Part of me wonders if the Trump tariffs are going to hurt any markets outside the US. This crazy markup over MSRP is partly scalping, partly early adjustment for Trump tariffs

For those in the US, that sucks, but for the much larger and more significant non-US market, we're talking about GPUs built by a Taiwanese foundry on behalf of a US firm, then sold to a Taiwanese AIB like Asus/Gigabyte/MSI/Sapphire/Zotac etc. Do Trump tariffs have any effect on those AIBs selling to countries that aren't the US?

Most likely, this will cascade 'down' on the price formation in all other countries in the world.
Firstly, since US/NA is the primary market for all HW manufacturers, and the market accepts US MSRP as a starting point, (outside the EU, ofc). If it goes up in price there, every country that uses $, will get it as well.
Secondly, if US would manage to buy the less HW, due to tarrifs, the HW manufacturers would most likely try to "compensate" the "lack" of profits, not by selling more, but rather by jacking up price, for each single item sold.

 

[Bomby569]

If you look into leaked prices, you will see that RDNA4 cards span roughly $660-850 and 5070Ti prices span $800-1,100, with only one or two basic models of RTX cards at MSRP. It's not "couple of bucks" difference, so please stop spreading misinformation and check it out first. Several AIB models of 5070Ti are literally $300 more expensive than 9070XT.

not sure if i should tell you this, i fell like that guy that told a kid Christmas isn't real... leaks aren't reality

 

[medi01]

better driver

AMD has no change

Its CPU market share is srinking in both mobile and desktop, despite being superior.

How do i know?

You have no clue.

OEM's drive lion's share of the market (70-90%). And OEMs do this:

Unequal treatment: How Lenovo makes the AMD variant of the ThinkPad P14s Gen 5 worse

The Lenovo ThinkPad P14s Gen 5 exists two times: once with AMD Ryzen 8000, and once with Intel Core Ultra. Too bad that the Intel variant is much more interesting, as it features a stronger cooling system, bigger battery and a dedicated GPU.

www.notebookcheck.net

And this:

And this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/amaflm

And that's Intel. The Filthy Green is way way way way worse at strongarming dependent partners.

 

[Bomby569]

And this:

how do i put this delicately? people that want to make serious arguments by using videos with idiots making stupid faces... nevermind there was no delicate way to put it

 

[Tek-Check]

not sure if i should tell you this, i fell like that guy that told a kid Christmas isn't real... leaks aren't reality

Insanely inflated real prices of 5090 and 5080 should tell you enough about how prices of 5070Ti would look like in a few days.
Christmas is a real day in calendar since almost two thousand years, irrespective of whether you believe in it or not. Thank you.

 

[Bomby569]

Insanely inflated real prices of 5090 and 5080 should tell you enough about how prices of 5070Ti would look like in a few days.
Christmas is a real day in calendar since almost two thousand years, irrespective of whether you believe in it or not. Thank you.

you're making conclusions based on leaks.

 

[_roman_]

how do i put this delicately? people that want to make serious arguments by using videos with idiots making stupid faces... nevermind there was no delicate way to put it

I have not really looked into that in details. Louis Rossmann on odysee recently mentioned something like that also.

That a face which looks stupid on the coverpage of a video motivates the customer to click the video. Most videos are made that way. Something like why he looks that way or this way ...

Maybe someone knows the details. What that effect is called and such.

If I use a 100w type c charger plugged into the USB port, the power budget is only 30w, split between cpu and igpu. With the 135w charger, the budget is 54w. Might not seem alot but that 24w differnce is 1+ghz on the cpu. It helps with older titles that are single core games.

okday you plug it into a micro usb port of a android tablet, right? Why do you need 100 Watts or 135 Watts. (I hope you get the point it lacks informations)

 

[Bomby569]

I have not really looked into that in details. Louis Rossmann on odysee recently mentioned something like that also.

That a face which looks stupid on the coverpage of a video motivates the customer to click the video. Most videos are made that way. Something like why he looks that way or this way ...

Maybe someone knows the details. What that effect is called and such.

I'm not saying the ones that click on that are better than the ones making the faces, to be clear.
If you need that in order to watch something, and if you want to cater to that type of people, it's just two sides of the same coin, and it's not flattering for either one or the content
It's fine if you are making cat content, not tech content in my opinion

 

[codex5600x]

The only reason people will be getting AMD cards is because they either don't want to support Nvidia, the Nvidia cards are out of stock, or they want them for Linux/open-source related endeavors.

Not only,
are many people who have 0 interes of more than 120 fps
In many countries AMD have better price than nvidia
Not like dlss, ray tracing,etc

 

[A&P211]

I have not really looked into that in details. Louis Rossmann on odysee recently mentioned something like that also.

That a face which looks stupid on the coverpage of a video motivates the customer to click the video. Most videos are made that way. Something like why he looks that way or this way ...

Maybe someone knows the details. What that effect is called and such.



okday you plug it into a micro usb port of a android tablet, right? Why do you need 100 Watts or 135 Watts. (I hope you get the point it lacks informations)

I don't use the USB hub to charge, I use the normal charging part to charge with the 135w mini charger.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Nintendo Switch 2 is looking better and better at $399, and can take it with you anywhere.

 

[Tek-Check]

you're making conclusions based on leaks.

5080 and 5090 have real and inflated prices, right?
What makes you think, or hope, that 5070Ti prices would be any better?

 

[Bomby569]

5080 and 5090 have real and inflated prices, right?
What makes you think, or hope, that 5070Ti prices would be any better?

the leak that you were taking as reality was the 9070, don't change the discussion. Damn everyone here does this.

 

[Tek-Check]

the leak that you were taking as reality was the 9070, don't change the discussion. Damn everyone here does this.

Leaked prices are both for 9070 and 5070Ti. Frank Azor twitted that there should not be $900 RDNA4 cards on shelves. We will confirm this in a few days.

 

[DaemonForce]

the leak that you were taking as reality was the 9070, don't change the discussion. Damn everyone here does this.

Dude any one of us can counter that one with a look at previous gen pricing.
Nothing is available so the moment anything drops, it gets scalped all to hell.
6950XTs all MIA but 6900XT now 2-4x old refurb prices. Look at this bullshit:

Guys, just don't buy GPUs in February. It's bad for business and further encourages this garbage.
I understand if you found something $50-100 for production but this is a different class entirely.
There will still be signs of it in March but if the inventory is high enough, it won't be a problem.