OFFICIAL Armored Warfare (Discussion)

[tabascosauz]

the M1A2! wait ... errrr...

boarf i don't really care tho, wrong team one day winner the next one ... also ... it's a close call tho

59747 my contrib for the moment

seems people prefer the PL01 at the 2A7+ ... that's a shame the PL01 is a child's toy in my eyes ... the 2A7+ is a descendant from a long lineup of rugged MBT's and one of the best in the world ...

Well of course. Most people don't understand much of the details and history behind the tanks that they play. The PL01 is proposed as a light tank, and that is accurate because a light tank it is. It looks nice and tough, when in reality its armor is meant to defend against 30mm-40mm autocannon fire.

They had better incorporate the technology demonstrator version of the 2A7+ that was shown off by KMW. That was the version with the all-around applique on turret and the hull applique covering roughly as much as the Ariete's PSO. The 2A6 was barely an upgrade from the 2A5, so if they omit the added armour, it's just going to be a copy paste of the 2A6 at T10 and more of a 2A7 than a 2A7+. I don't really care if the fully decked out 2A7+ will actually see German army service due to its excessive weight and price; it's not like it's a prototype that cannot see mass production. The 2A4M CAN already sports an armor package that is quite similar to the 2A7+, rather than being based off of Leo 2 Evo. And seeing as they took the Evolution upgrade out of the game for the Leo 2, it would be nice to have it back, although this time in the form of the 2A7+ protection package at an (appropriately) much higher tier. I would not mind the full armor package as an upgrade, while the base vehicle is a more realistic Deutches Heer service model.

Anyways, I chose Hellhounds as well, but not too much of a deal for me. Premium time is nice and both winning and losing teams get premium time (3 vs 7 days, big deal we get a day every week). To make it into the 1500 gold category I'm guessing that you'll have to devote nearly all of your time to armored warfare. Plus, playing 5 matches a day for six days this week will give you 3000 gold next week, instead of waiting until March 6th for a possibility of getting half that.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Well of course. Most people don't understand much of the details and history behind the tanks that they play. The PL01 is proposed as a light tank, and that is accurate because a light tank it is. It looks nice and tough, when in reality its armor is meant to defend against 30mm-40mm autocannon fire.

They had better incorporate the technology demonstrator version of the 2A7+ that was shown off by KMW. That was the version with the all-around applique on turret and the hull applique covering roughly as much as the Ariete's PSO. The 2A6 was barely an upgrade from the 2A5, so if they omit the added armour, it's just going to be a copy paste of the 2A6 at T10 and more of a 2A7 than a 2A7+. I don't really care if the fully decked out 2A7+ will actually see German army service due to its excessive weight and price; it's not like it's a prototype that cannot see mass production. The 2A4M CAN already sports an armor package that is quite similar to the 2A7+, rather than being based off of Leo 2 Evo. And seeing as they took the Evolution upgrade out of the game for the Leo 2, it would be nice to have it back, although this time in the form of the 2A7+ protection package at an (appropriately) much higher tier. I would not mind the full armor package as an upgrade, while the base vehicle is a more realistic Deutches Heer service model.

Anyways, I chose Hellhounds as well, but not too much of a deal for me. Premium time is nice and both winning and losing teams get premium time (3 vs 7 days, big deal we get a day every week). To make it into the 1500 gold category I'm guessing that you'll have to devote nearly all of your time to armored warfare. Plus, playing 5 matches a day for six days this week will give you 3000 gold next week, instead of waiting until March 6th for a possibility of getting half that.

or they could also add the Pz87 WE (2A4 swiss upgrade option by RUAG ) or the Leopard 2 MBT Revolution as T8 and the 2A5 as T9 and keep the 2A6 for T10 and have more "real" variation than putting 2A5 2A6 and 2A7+ (in fact the Leo 2 MBT Revolution is a Pz87 WE "international" ) and also lot's of prototype tank that had only "one" demonstrator are in AW (Taifun, RDF/LT, Bglt Pz 64 etc)

or even adding a Leo 3, based on sketching and such, since they've put the PL01 .... which is only a imaginary tank (ok there is one concept) and also, yep true the PL01 is a LT (technically a AFV or more a AWC ) since based on the Swedish CV90

and for the event, you are totally right


edit: they messed up the 2A6 by giving the 2A5 an option for L55 RHM gun ... (ok they've put a armor appliqué option on the 2A6 altho) because the most obvious difference between the 2A5 and 6 was the upgrade from L44 to L55, the 2A7+ is a urban survival upgrade (shorter barrel even shorter than the L44 ) just like the M1A2 SEP

 

[burebista]

boarf i don't really care tho, wrong team one day winner the next one ... also ... it's a close call tho

You're right man.



It will be interesting to watch till the end.

 

[GreiverBlade]

You're right man.

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It will be interesting to watch till the end.

... i am a PROPHET!

joke aside ... i was about to post a screen of the actual progression ahah, i am at 75159rep contrib now

didn't liked the Ramka-99 sold it got the Warrior instead ... well if i except the abysmal clip on the auto-canon ... it suits me better

 

[burebista]

Today was the most pleasant day since I'm playing AW.
I have a new toy


I was called cheater


And I did a ton of credits in PvP (played only 5 games though).


I feel good.

 

[tabascosauz]

@GreiverBlade See, there are lots of great ideas for the Leo 2 line, simply because it's been a great tank from the trusty 2A4 to the mighty 2A7, but it's really hard to work it all in because of how OE fucked up. The 2A5 and 2A6 really didn't call for filling two separate tiers with virtually the exact same tank.

• At Tier 7, you have the Leo 2. Why there is a baseline 2 when the 2AV is a slightly gimped 2 at a tier lower is beyond me. At least make it the world-famous 2A4, which is significantly better than the 2. The Leopard 2 at T7 cannot have the Revolution upgrade as originally planned, because it is simply too strong in comparison to the 2A5. Think about it. Aside from the lack of a frontal wedge resulting in a possibly lower turret armor value, as well as less frontal hull (I think), the protection of the Leo 2 Revo is superior to the 2A5 in just about every way. The entire turret is shrouded in applique, most of the sides are as well, and cage protects what isn't covered by applique. What does the 2A5 have? A wall in front to stop AP and HEAT and absolutely nothing on the sides and back. Also, the decision not to make it a 2A4 is stupid because there's no logical way to incorporate any armor package aside from Evo. Upgrades like the Pz 87 WE and 2A4M CAN are based off of 2A4, not 2; plus, you can't pretend that the 2 is a 2A4 after upgrades just because it appears aesthetically similar.

• At Tier 8, you have the Leo 2A5. As has been mentioned already, the addition of the 2A5 precludes any kind of armor upgrade for the lower tier version, including Leo 2 Evo, Leo 2 Revo, 2A4M CAN/Pz 87 WE (which doesn't make sense because of reasons above). So what exactly is the improvement? Basically a revised turret. And the 2A5 itself can't have any armor upgrades because no armor upgrades exist for it (though KMW might have made the 2A7+/PSO kit available for 2A5, I don't know). Wall front, butter sides, technically the same gun, can't do anything about it. The 2A5 cannot receive the Strv 122B's (based on 2A5) AMAP upgrade because then the 2A6 would be an illogical paper tiger without a similar upgrade, making it a downgrade.

• At Tier 9, you have the Leo 2A6. There is absolutely no other reason for this aside from keeping pace with the development of the other tanks. Again, no armor upgrade unless you invent some kind of it out of the 2A6 HEL, which has roof armor. So somehow OE can spin the protection against bomblets to reduction of arty damage. I dunno. It's really retarded, considering that the 2A5's dmg and pen is already more than comparable to the 2A6 with L/55. The one thing closest to an armor package that I can think of is the 2A6M CAN, which has slat everywhere. Big deal. Not even a real increase in armor values, since ATGMs are not the round of choice for all vehicles.

So now we're at Tier 10 and OE wants to put in the 2A7. So you can either add in the armored-warfare-optimized 2A7 that is a small improvement over the 2A6, or the urban-optimized 2A7 that is basically a further development of the PSO.


Option 1 - traditional, reasonable 2A7 (improvement over 2A6)
No one will want to play this 2A7 because it's virtually the exact same as the 2A5 and the 2A6. Wall front, butter sides. And all the time the T-14 is getting stronger; maybe it can now pen a few extra spots over the T-90MS, who knows?

Option 2 - fancy, urban optimized 2A7(+)
2. How the hell do you even get this technology demonstrator 2A7+ in the game? How do you tell people that the short-barreled 120mm does MORE pen and dmg than the L/55 120mm just because you want to balance it out at T10?
Also, what about the armor package and applique everywhere? How strong do you make it?

• Make it too strong and it's like the Ariete returned with a 1000x buff. The front will be impenetrable (people won't even get close enough to hit that sliver of a weakspot). 2/3 of the hull side will be impenetrable. All of the turret will be impenetrable.
• Make it more realistic (meant for stopping RPGs and possibly ATGMs and not 125mm rounds) and there will be no purpose for an armor upgrade at all. Tanks will just pen easy, like they pen the TUSK ERA on the M1A1, instead of having their AP stopped cold by the Ariete PSO for example. Other vehicles will still fire ATGMs that go clean through the applique. Then you just have what is not much better than a 2A7's armor protection, and you still have to explain why the tank-to-tank combat optimized 2A7 has a short barreled gun.

So TLDR I think OE fucked up. The Russian tree more or less makes sense, given that they basically take the weaker Russian branch of development (T-62, T-72, T-90) and alternate it with the stronger branch (T-64, T-80, T-14). The European tree...well...is a European tree that can't incorporate a Leclerc because it clashes with the Challenger 2 in stronk-ness. The American tree is what it is, all they need to do is fix the M1 turret model and they'll be set.

The Leo tree is full of random crap. First off, why is the OF-40 there to force us to play the paper Leopard 1 three times? It's so far off as a business venture that it hardly is a German MBT anymore. Secondly, why is the 1A5 a regression in protection in almost every way to the OF-40, and where did its damn skirts go? And if we have to play a paper leopard 3 times, at least give the 1A5 a MEXAS upgrade, which makes sense given that it comes from the C2, essentially a 1A5. That would give it survivability against same tier light vehicles, while higher tier MBTs/TDs can still make short work of the MEXAS, which is not designed to stop 120mm rounds. The other issues have already been detailed, like the random 2AV to 2 progression and omission of the 2A4.

 

[GreiverBlade]

i see what you mean and totally agree @tabascosauz

i leave those 2 pics here .... new toy indeed and upgraded right out of the box ... yep a Mini M8 Thunderbolt x)


if it goes like that tomorrow at 10pm i might have another token ... but Shishkebab this time (Leo 2A5 at 50%, XM8 at 37%, warrior at... abysmal) got my gun upgrade on the Draco but not spending 4.2m for a little more pen and loosing the SAPOM-ER for PVE ...
sadly i will only be able to play the next evening but not the one from Friday oh well, i am fine with it


heck i was sooooo right to choose Hellhounds like @burebista

also ... i want a decal of that logo ...

 

[burebista]

This is from a guy from our forums.

AWU1MUIYZ1HE5YTD
LAV-150 90 ICE
14 days premium boost
1 million credits

I've just entered it and it says success but I can't see if it works in game until tonight when I'm home.

LE: Hmm, in case it doesn't work I just saw a post from SilentStalker.

Hello everyone,

please note that for the next 12 hours or so, the code redeem system will not be working due to required maintenance. In other words, if you have a bonus code and you want to redeem it, you can't right now, you'll be able to after the maintenance is complete. Attempting to redeem codes might in some cases produce a "code redeemed successfully" result but nothing will be added to your account.

We apologize for the inconvenience.

So try harder.

LE2: OK, after further reading their forums it seems that the code is from an email for inactive players as an incentive to come back. Unfortunately the system screw up emails and send it to a lot of active players too.
Dunno if it works for us in the end even they'll fix their redeem system.

 

[burebista]

[...]got my gun upgrade on the Draco but not spending 4.2m for a little more pen and loosing the SAPOM-ER for PVE ...

I did it though.
One retrofit and this gun upgrade and poof 9 mil down the drain. Plus 15 mil for Draco and I'm broke again.

 

[tabascosauz]

This was the life jacket game we had a few days back I think. I think it was a best base rep score for me in any vehicle.



In other news, Cent 120 is a complete beast. Anyone who willingly grinds the LAV-o-matic is out of their mind.



Also, ran into the absolute best PvE team I've ever encountered. Everyone knew what they needed to do with minimal extraneous communication. Good teamwork, covering for each other really well. Secondary objectives easily done, everyone got good dmg in, and everyone survived with more than 50% health against some really tough enemies (I don't think I've ever seen such an endless stream of enemy 2A5 and 2A6 in my entire time playing AW). I guess the TPU gang has some high standards to live up to now

 

[burebista]

Life Jacket, Perseus and Rolling Thunder. When you see them in rotation jump on them on any difficulty level. They're the best maps XP/credits wise.
Starry Night come second and then the rest.

 

[burebista]

Easy moneyz.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Easy moneyz.
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wow ...

meanwhile ....


ok i nearly cheated ... a friend did 11% on my XM8 (it was at 88%) tho at last in T9 i have a MBT and it's not a 90MS and not only AFV's, that aside ... it's a freaking beast ... a lil sad i had to sell my XM8 and Chally 1 for it but still a nice addition
next objective, M8 (Warrior at 9% not in an hurry tho ) and Leo 2A6 (2A5 at 58% also not in a hurry) semi broke... but f'kin happy

oh yeah and @tabascosauz did accompany me in the Chally 2 testdrive, a rather good Stormy Winter i have to say

and nearly forgot i got my highest Ammorack cook on a chally 2 in the XM8 2600ish (a pure luck snapshot at ~74km/h) i was .... "WTF, WOOHOOHOOO!" after a T-90MS ammorack at 1168 with the chally 1, rather pleasant surprise

 

[tabascosauz]

I earlier implied that there was a clear difference between the 2A7 and the 2A7+. It looks like I was wrong, and it looks like KMW needs to make up their damn mind on what they want to call it.

Here is the PSO. "Old" applique, either L/44 or shorter than short barrel, and a dozer blade. The PSO's applique doesn't seem to cover the front 1/2 of the side of the turret, because it retains the distinctive outwards "wedge" of the 2A6 on the side of the turret.




Here was the 2A7+ first shown off last year. The other photos are of what is the same tank, parked at KMW's place. "New" applique, but L/55, and called the 2A7+. Here, the applique seems to extend to the front half of the turret sides, because the turret side is now completely flat. I have no idea where the smoke grenade launchers went, though, on either this or the PSO. It should be on the back half of the turret side. But this is clearly a L/55 model because visually the L/55 is "split" into two "segments" ahead of the bore evacuator.




But this is also a 2A7+ apparently, photographed at KMW. This is unbelievably confusing because this is what we originally thought was the "2A7". No applique, L/55 and on the surface it looks exactly like the 2A6. Mind you, there seem to be a lot of "hooks" hanging everywhere; perhaps this is the same tank and the applique is modular and removable? I remember seeing somewhere in a press release that the 2A7+ features a modular armor system. If this is true, this could be big. There will be no problem with having the 2A7+ in the game; just have the base tank as basically an electronically upgraded 2A6 and feature the modular armor applique for xxxx Rep.




Then there's this asshole, just to f**k with our minds. They call it a 2A7+, I call it BS and a PSO in 2A7 colours. "Old" PSO applique, L/44, and a dozer blade. But I don't think any country will actually buy this, so it's not of any issue.




Conclusion: the 2A7+ seems to be a viable and possibly accurate choice for T10. If it is a fully modular system, then the 2A7 and 2A7+ are really the same tank; when German army has enough money, they could possibly just buy the applique packages for existing 2A7s to give them a substantial boost in survivability. The only question now is how strong OE will make the gun (same L/55 as before, AFAIK Germany is not ditching the DM63 family and using a radically different APFSDS) and the applique. Doesn't change my views about other parts of the Leo tree being illogical garbage though

 

[ne6togadno]

random find

 

[OneMoar]

stay away from my.com I am warning yall now this is not gonna end well

 

[tabascosauz]

random find

Absolutely not limited to WOT, you just have to visit T5 PvE to see some satanic bad gameplay

The T34-85 completely presenting his ass to the uphill O-I like "here, hit dat ass pls" happens about every other PvE game with some T-90MS who thinks that he's got the survivability of a Chally 2.

 

[GreiverBlade]

happens about every other PvE game with some T-90MS who thinks that he's got the survivability of a Chally 2.

true that! i saw it! 2 T-90MS me in the chally 2 and a M8 .... guess who died first

 

[burebista]

Maintenance - Update 0.13

On the 25th of February 2016, starting from 8:00 AM CET (EU server) and 00:01 PST (NA server), the Open Beta servers will not be available for five hours (until approximately 13:00 CET - 05:00 AM PST) due to the application of Update 0.13.1881. The content of this major update will be disclosed in a separate post.


​

 

[burebista]

A new shiny medal.


And my new toy. I'm proud of it in a select Tier 9 company even it's basically stock.

 

[burebista]

Thank you OE. One month of Premium wasted.

 

[tabascosauz]

The complete suite of fixes is legitimately impressive. They've buffed BMP-3 and 3M across the board (latter being my all-time fave), fixed the M1 turret model (finally), given more time to reach 3rd obj on Kodiak, apparently fixed the scoped-in 1fps bug on Harbinger, MM 2.0...wayyy too many to count.

As much as it has been a fiasco pushing this update out and applying it to the server, I have to applaud OE for taking our feedback into account and pushing out other fixes aside from introducing Chinese MBTs (which suck, apparently, according to the Russians that have been playing them on PTS for the past month).

 

[GreiverBlade]

Thank you OE. One month of Premium wasted.
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da f*ck????

and that's during my STEAM library update queue also, not OE fault then? or is it?

The complete suite of fixes is legitimately impressive. They've buffed BMP-3 and 3M across the board (latter being my all-time fave), fixed the M1 turret model (finally), given more time to reach 3rd obj on Kodiak, apparently fixed the scoped-in 1fps bug on Harbinger, MM 2.0...wayyy too many to count.

As much as it has been a fiasco pushing this update out and applying it to the server, I have to applaud OE for taking our feedback into account and pushing out other fixes aside from introducing Chinese MBTs (which suck, apparently, according to the Russians that have been playing them on PTS for the past month).

good to hear .... i did sleep too much today .... TIME TO CORRECT!

 

[burebista]

I should download with 2.5 MB/s (that's my bandwidth) instead I have 150 kB/s (now).
Dunno what to say. I have friends which are downloading like yourself but also guys which are like me.
On their forum same story, some are bosses and some are peasants.
Probably it comes to ISP and their torrent policy.

Doesn't matter, I don't want to play today anyway. I've heard some nasty stories about new medals flashing in the middle of the game and horrible hit markers too.
I'm waiting some mini-quick-hot fixes these days.

 

[tabascosauz]

I should download with 2.5 MB/s (that's my bandwidth) instead I have 150 kB/s (now).
Dunno what to say. I have friends which are downloading like yourself but also guys which are like me.
On their forum same story, some are bosses and some are peasants.
Probably it comes to ISP and their torrent policy.

Doesn't matter, I don't want to play today anyway. I've heard some nasty stories about new medals flashing in the middle of the game and horrible hit markers too.
I'm waiting some mini-quick-hot fixes these days.

The medals shouldn't be going anywhere. they've been on russian PTS since the middle ages.

Also, M1 turret has not been fixed. Fuck OE.