BEST RAM FOR ASUS HERO X570

[thesmokingman]

Another question to everybody...

Total of 4 ranks of memory

1) 4x8GB 1rank modules. Individual ranks (potential more raw performance)
2) 2x16GB 2rank modules. Fewer modules (potential less MemoryController stress =stability when tweaked)

What configuration will be optimal for OP's setup to get the most out of it?

As long as you get to four ranks. There is not much of a difference between 4 sticks and two unless you start getting into very high clocking dimms.

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

I think I might just scrap the ratio too and go with something like this >> https://www.amazon.ca/G-SKILL-F4-32...01MSBS0UT/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

I think when comes to the hands on feel of the game the difference will negligible anyway.

 

[moproblems99]

The ratio is more important than the speed in most cases. As long as you are 3200/1600 you are fine.

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

Yup. Especially with a budget card like this >> https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/nitro-rx-590-8g-g5-oc_c

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yup. Especially with a budget card like this >> https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/nitro-rx-590-8g-g5-oc_c

I would still buy a decent 3600 kit just in case you upgrade your gpu down the line.

 

[thesmokingman]

I will still buy a decent 3600 kit just in case you upgrade your gpu down the line.

Yeap. When I got my first Gskill 3600 c16 kit 2-3 years ago for the 7820x, it still works with Ryzen today w/ none of the Corsair craptastic issues.

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

I will still buy a decent 3600 kit just in case you upgrade your gpu down the line.

Can't find one in Canada, sorry to say. Unless I want to pay over half a grand CA which cost more than the system board itself. Not really worth it for the amount of gaming I do. But knowing me I'll probably give it to one of my daughters eventually as this seems to be the on going trend. (BTW I have four daughters.)

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Can't find one in Canada, sorry to say. Unless I want to pay over half a grand CA which cost more than the system board itself. Not really worth it for the amount of gaming I do. But knowing me I'll probably give it to one of my daughters eventually as this seems to be the on going trend. (BTW I have four daughters.)

Canadian prices are the worst.... I feel for you man!

 

[NoJuan999]

I think I might just scrap the ratio too and go with something like this >> https://www.amazon.ca/G-SKILL-F4-32...01MSBS0UT/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

I think when comes to the hands on feel of the game the difference will negligible anyway.

I have this 16 GB G.Skill TrdentZ 3200 kit (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR):

G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) (PC4 25600) F4-3200C16D-16GTZR at Amazon.com

Buy G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) (PC4 25600) F4-3200C16D-16GTZR: Memory - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

It worked very well with my 2600 on an Asus B450-F and with my 3700x on my Asus X470-F.
I have since reinstalled that kit in my 2600/B450-F Rig and installed a 16 GB G.Skill 3600 Ripjaw V kit (F4-3600C16D-16GVKC) in my 3700x /X470F rig.

G.Skill RipJaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-28800 DDR4 3600 CL16-19-19-39 1.35V Dual Channel Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C16D-16GVKC at Amazon.com

Buy G.Skill RipJaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-28800 DDR4 3600 CL16-19-19-39 1.35V Dual Channel Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C16D-16GVKC: Memory - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

PS
G.Skill has plenty of 32 GB kits (2 or 4 stick) that are stated to be compatible with the Asus X570 Crosshair VIII Hero:

RAM Configurator-G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

G.SKILL

www.gskill.com

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

I'll wait for Black Friday and see how well I fare then It's a gaming build. Not a big deal.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I have the sticks in the first link. Judging by the picture, if it's true to the specs is A1 memory sticks. Pretty decent, but cannot get Cas 12 stable at 4000mhz with them. Instead I run them at 4300mhz 16-16-16-37 but not on a Ryzen platform. Mine are also a much higher rating at 4277mhz Cas 19-19-19. 1.40v



But how do you mean no issues?? Is this a set it and forget it no issues or You can tweak them easily with no issue?

EDIT:
For reference to those that aren't sure....

I'm talking about A1 or A2 PCB.

Curtosey of HWBot Bruno
The image shows A1 on the left and A2 on the right.

View attachment 137330

So you like to waste a lot of performance on running your memory at 2:1?
Makes complete sense you're giving system building and memory advice here when you don't really seem to understand how the platform you own works.

Another question to everybody...

Total of 4 ranks of memory

1) 4x8GB 1rank modules. Individual ranks (potential more raw performance)
2) 2x16GB 2rank modules. Fewer modules (potential less MemoryController stress =stability when tweaked)

What configuration will be optimal for OP's setup to get the most out of it?

From what I have seen, there's no real world difference.
Once again, see the link below. In all fairness, they only ran AIDA and the two options have slightly different timings, so 4x 8GB looks worse, but I'm not sure it really is. In my case, I saw a slight performance increase in AIDA going from 2x 8GB to 4x 8GB.

AMD Ryzen 3000 DDR4 Scaling – Part II – Samsung B-Die vs Micron E-Die vs Hynix CJR – English version

Samsung B-Die vs Micron E-Die vs Hynix CJR One of the main changes that came with the launch of the X570 chipset, along with the launch of the third generation Ryzen processors, was the way …

lab501.ro

I think I might just scrap the ratio too and go with something like this >> https://www.amazon.ca/G-SKILL-F4-32...01MSBS0UT/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

I think when comes to the hands on feel of the game the difference will negligible anyway.

You really don't want to go below 3600MHz.
I have four of these and they run as I've pointed out multiple times at 3800MHz with tighter timing than they're sold at. And yes, I understand you want RGB RAM, but maybe look at some other Hynix CJR based modules at similar ratings and then tune them a bit, if you want to save some money.

Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600MHz Kit - PVS416G360C7K : Amazon.ca: Electronics

Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600MHz Kit - PVS416G360C7K : Amazon.ca: Electronics

www.amazon.ca

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

You really don't want to go below 3600MHz.
I have four of these and they run as I've pointed out multiple times at 3800MHz with tighter timing than they're sold at. And yes, I understand you want RGB RAM, but maybe look at some other Hynix CJR based modules at similar ratings and then tune them a bit, if you want to save some money.
https://www.amazon.ca/Patriot-Viper-3600MHz-Gunmetal-heatshield/dp/B07N3W1T21/





To be honest, my comment about the bling was stated in sarcasm. I'll take performance over RGB any day. C'mon, I'm the work station guy building his first, very own for himself, gaming rig. Here's the problem I have with what you present here: It isn't on the QVL for the X570 HERO. Otherwise I would even consider taking it a step further and going with this: https://www.amazon.ca/Patriot-Viper...1RAV3CEFRBC&psc=1&refRID=VF5501RRG1RAV3CEFRBC

It's much faster and it's definitely 1:1:1 Samsung B-die. Alas, it isn't on the QVL either. It doesn't get ASUS blessing. *Oh, one more thing* I can't seem to find this Patriot RAM in matched sets of 4 sticks. Few things annoy me more about half finished builds than empty RAM slots on the system board.

 

[TheLostSwede]

To be honest, my comment about the bling was stated in sarcasm. I'll take performance over RGB any day. C'mon, I'm the work station guy building his first, very own for himself, gaming rig. Here's the problem I have with what you present here: It isn't on the QVL for the X570 HERO. Otherwise I would even consider taking it a step further and going with this: https://www.amazon.ca/Patriot-Viper-4133MHz-Performance-Memory/dp/B07KXBRR24/

It's much faster and it's definitely 1:1:1 Samsung B-die. Alas, it isn't on the QVL either. It doesn't get ASUS blessing. *Oh, one more thing* I can't seem to find this Patriot RAM in matched sets of 4 sticks. Few things annoy me more about half finished builds than empty RAM slots on the system board.

Fair enough. It's not on my board QVL either, but it works great. To be honest, QVL's are useless, as the board makers only tests whatever the memory makers give them for free to test with.
I can run these modules at 3800MHz 16-19-16-19-36 at 1.38V with a set of four. Several other people here have had good results with them as well, although I will also admit a few people have not had the same luck and I think one or two had some issues with it as well.
Not sure why you'd waste money on the 4133MHz sticks, the 3600MHz works a treat and are almost half the price.
If you want to blow cash on something, get the 4400MHz modules, as they at least have tighter timings

Patriot Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz Performance Memory Kit - PVS416G440C9K: Amazon.ca: Electronics

Patriot Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz Performance Memory Kit - PVS416G440C9K: Amazon.ca: Electronics

www.amazon.ca

Even the 4000MHz kit has better timings than the 4133MHz kit.

Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4000MHz Performance Memory Kit - PVS416G400C9K : Amazon.ca: Electronics

Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4000MHz Performance Memory Kit - PVS416G400C9K : Amazon.ca: Electronics

www.amazon.ca

It's not B-die, it's Hynix CJR. No need four matched sets of four, I bought mine with a few months between and they're working perfectly.
As I said, have a look at Kingston HyperX as well, they have several CJR based modules, which apparently work well with Ryzen 3000.
I think people are a bit too obsessed about matched kits, as they're not as matched as people think in most cases.
DRAM modules are generally tested in single sticks when manufactured and the ones that test to the same spec are then "matched" as a pair.
I've been to a couple of the large memory manufacturers factories and see how they do things and a lot of what they sell is marketing...

As a side note, Patriot also has pretty good customer service, even if their quality control could be better, bough an M.2 SSD from them where the thermal pad on the controller didn't touch the heatsink and it was overheating. They swapped out the drive, no questions asked.

Here are some more memory benchmarks.

Ryzen 3000 Memory Benchmark & Best RAM for Ryzen (fClock, uClock, & mClock) | GamersNexus

stub Memory speed on Ryzen has always been a hot subject, with AMD’s 1000 and 2000 series CPUs responding favorably to fast memory while at the same time having difficulty getting past 3200MHz in Gen1. The new Ryzen 3000 chips officially support memory speeds up to 3200MHz and can reliably run...

www.gamersnexus.net

Ryzen Above: Best Memory Settings for AMD's 3000 CPUs, Tested

Is Ryzen 3000 optimized for DDR4-3200? What if we want more? We examine everything from frequency to rank count to nail down optimal settings.

www.tomshardware.com

Testing 3rd-Gen Ryzen DDR4 Memory Performance and Scaling

When we reviewed Ryzen's latest iteration we briefly checked out different DDR4 memory speeds but now that things have settled we were put on a mission to...

www.techspot.com

 

[mbeeston]

I'm not sure what's going on but you could be the Nvidia Killer?

not yet.. the 1070ti is still running
but maybe i am running Rdna 2.

Myself, Corsair would have to give me a $200.00 credit before I ever bought anything from them again. It has nothing to do with the RAM I've purchased from them, or the reliable power supplies they sell, but I would say anything involving RGB with Corsair isn't worth the aggravation for one thing and my experience with customer service (if that is what it is to be called) leaves a lot to be desired. Any future builds I do for any clients will not be started without a caveat if they want me to use Corsair product in the build. I will definitely not be purchasing any further Corsair product for personal use if I can avoid it. So far so good.

**looks at corsair 850-m psu and ram being awesome** i'm glad i'm not human, your luck seems to be the opposite of mine.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

So you like to waste a lot of performance on running your memory at 2:1?
Makes complete sense you're giving system building and memory advice here when you don't really seem to understand how the platform you own works.


From what I have seen, there's no real world difference.
Once again, see the link below. In all fairness, they only ran AIDA and the two options have slightly different timings, so 4x 8GB looks worse, but I'm not sure it really is. In my case, I saw a slight performance increase in AIDA going from 2x 8GB to 4x 8GB.

AMD Ryzen 3000 DDR4 Scaling – Part II – Samsung B-Die vs Micron E-Die vs Hynix CJR – English version

Samsung B-Die vs Micron E-Die vs Hynix CJR One of the main changes that came with the launch of the X570 chipset, along with the launch of the third generation Ryzen processors, was the way …

lab501.ro

You really don't want to go below 3600MHz.
I have four of these and they run as I've pointed out multiple times at 3800MHz with tighter timing than they're sold at. And yes, I understand you want RGB RAM, but maybe look at some other Hynix CJR based modules at similar ratings and then tune them a bit, if you want to save some money.

Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600MHz Kit - PVS416G360C7K : Amazon.ca: Electronics

Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600MHz Kit - PVS416G360C7K : Amazon.ca: Electronics

www.amazon.ca

Wow, Im not using the memory in an AMD System. I didnt mention that part.
Jump to conclusions much?

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

It's not B-die, it's Hynix CJR. No need four matched sets of four, I bought mine with a few months between and they're working perfectly.
As I said, have a look at Kingston HyperX as well, they have several CJR based modules, which apparently work well with Ryzen 3000.
I think people are a bit too obsessed about matched kits, as they're not as matched as people think in most cases.
DRAM modules are generally tested in single sticks when manufactured and the ones that test to the same spec are then "matched" as a pair.
I've been to a couple of the large memory manufacturers factories and see how they do things and a lot of what they sell is marketing...

Not fair enough for me. A list of negatives is developing at your behest and I don't feel like playing against those odds:

1. Not QVL when QVL is generally a good rule of thumb when it comes to compatible components. It can also make a difference with the warranty should something go wrong with the system.
2. Not B-die when B-die is repeatedly reported by better evaluators than you or I as being the best choice for this type of platform.
3. Not matched RAM when matched RAM has always been a thing and likely always will be for as long as people use it. I'm guessing you got the general factory tour or they must be pretty sloppy wherever you visited. Matched RAM is a deal. I've seen it in action myself many times. I have built dozens of gamer PCs. I have never built one for myself. Now it's not just gaming where matched RAM can make a significant difference either. When you start using larger volumes of RAM it gets even more critical to have matched RAM but since we're not building a work station here or a server build it likely is not as significant and in that regard you may have made a dull point. But when the negatives start adding up it's a crazy way to tempt fate, my friend.

Oh, did I mention it isn't even RGB?? OMGG... If my PC isn't lit up like an XMAS tree and I can't dance to my favorite ABBA songs with the lights out well, what's the point? I may as well not even build it.

I'm being sarcastic. I don't even have a favorite ABBA song and disco is definitely not my thang. For me, if the purdee coloured lights don't serve a real function or don't indicate something they probably shouldn't be there, but, hey, some people love their distractions. One of my daughters might "inherit" this abomination and she might even like ABBA. Yuck. Purge the thought. It seems like you're asking me to take too many chances here. But I'm an old man with a short term memory that doesn't serve as well as it once did. Please enlighten me:

Do you own an X570 HERO? Is this the RAM you use in an X570 HERO? I have nothing bad to say about PATRIOT RAM. I have PATRIOT RAM in many of my builds all over the Province. I'm a PC builder. I also know that PATRIOT takes matched RAM seriously. Their warranty is second to none and they stand behind their product 100%. I know this from direct experience with them. They were ready to have me RMA some RAM once when the issue wasn't even with the RAM but they were prepared to err on the side of caution for my sake anyway. I didn't let them. So yeah, again: I have nothing negative to say about the good people there. The same goes for KINGSTON. They do stand behind their product line. I'm quite sure that either one of these companies acknowledge the importance of using matched RAM and why QVL exists at all.

BUT if you're currently using that RAM in an ASUS HERO X570 system board without issue I'm keen. I'd still probably go with the Samsung. You've given me an idea. I could always call Patriot and see what they suggest.

 

[TheLostSwede]

You clearly didn't read a thing I said. QVL's are only a list of whatever memory the motherboard makers either have or were sent.
They don't do extensive memory testing.

You also clearly didn't read a single link I provided, but whatever.

No, matched RAM has not always been a thing and you ought to know that, considering you claim to be in your 60's, but again, whatever.

Thanks for the shit music insult, not going to bother trying to help you in the future, as you've clearly decided what you want, so why even keep bother people with more questions.

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

Clearly you have no sense of humor either. Plus you didn't answer my question: Do you currently own an X570 HERO and is the RAM you recommend being used in that board if you do? Matched RAM has "always" been a deal since it became a deal, at least for the past 20 years and likely longer. Yes, I read most of the links you provided, or at least skimmed over them until I felt I had a reasonable cause to take issue with the information. Yup. I'm in my 60's. The plot thickens. I'm not a typical person and I'm okay with that. "Normal" people bore me. At least we have one thing in common: We're not crazy about ABBA

 

[heky]

Don`t want to hijack your thread, but since i was also on the look for new memory for my 3900X and MSI X570 Prestige Creator....i just ordered 2 sets of Patriot Viper Steel DIMM kit 16GB, DDR4-4400, CL19-19-19-39 (PVS416G440C9K)
Its highly binned b-die...so should be able to do 3800 with some really tight timings...at least i hope so...wish me luck.

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

Don`t want to hijack your thread, but since i was also on the look for new memory for my 3900X and MSI X570 Prestige Creator....i just ordered 2 sets of Patriot Viper Steel DIMM kit 16GB, DDR4-4400, CL19-19-19-39 (PVS416G440C9K)
Its highly binned b-die...so should be able to do 3800 with some really tight timings...at least i hope so...wish me luck.

No, not at all. By all means please hijack this thread. It's getting boring. Those do look like nice numbers and honestly, I was considering the same. (Despite some here saying it's a waste of money.)

 

[heky]

Despite some here saying it's a waste of money.

I actually chose it because it was quite cheap. 130€ for 16gb(2x8), so 260€ total.

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

Yup. I suppose the argument would be that if it doesn't deliver it's a waste. Not that I'm implying it won't deliver.

Yup. I suppose the argument would be that if it doesn't deliver it's a waste. Not that I'm implying it won't deliver. Keep me posted on how it works for you. I'm curious.

 

[sneekypeet]

I know many here are explaining the "best thing" for your situation, but I still recommend you take all of this advise with a grain of salt and look at the actual results from others using it. I know the lists are short, but many of us haven't yet had the time with the new platform, and the slowness of anything new in RAM rolling out ATM ( I think so they can show it all off at CES first). What you will find is that 3200-3600MHz kits all perform differently depending on the tasks you want to complete. Most of the advice has been given to achieve the best latency, (which isnt the end all of DDR4 clocking performance for AMD) but most seem to think it is. If you are hunting for the best bandwidth in something like AIDA64 sure, but in real testing outside of that application, things can change at a drop of a hat, no matter how well they do in AIDA.

Patriot Viper 4 Blackout Edition DDR4-3600 16GB Memory Kit Review

Patriot's Viper 4 Blackout Edition DDR4-3600 16GB dual-channel RAM is the most affordable 3600MHz CAS17 kit we could find and it's tested here.

www.tweaktown.com

V-Color PRISM II RGB DDR4-3600 MHz CL18 2x8 GB Review

With a polished silver heat spreader and a pastel RGB LED diffuser that is available in seven different colors, the PRISM II RGB kit from V-Color certainly has flair. This premium kit has the perfect sweet spot for Ryzen performance with a 3600 MHz XMP profile and is affordably priced to boot.

www.techpowerup.com

The first link uses your board, and it runs a 3900X so that AIDA results are comparable to Intel system testing, without losing half the write bandwidth, which is what is shown using the 3600X and the MSI MEG in the second. There are plenty of sites now adding AMD DDR4 testing, and likely you may find kits that TweakTown and TPU have not used.

A lot of the advise is solid. Go for good b-die (straight timed...IE 14-14-14), even the new hynix chips. Buy the speed you want, as even what you see in reviews may not be attainable, but the board you chose is designed for RAM tweaking with special attention paid to the layout of the motherboard to aid in that quest. It really comes down to the IMC, and if you want to clock for the stars, opt for the 3600X as it is what is able to run 5000MHz RAM currently.

I know the choices are overwhelming. I say go somewhere like Newegg, select down to maybe 10 kits based on speed, timings, arrange them by cost, and eliminate anything with RGB. You will be left with a very short list of kits to do your homework on.

Sorry it took so long for me to spill my guts, but I have only had short bursts of time to drop a couple pennies here and there.

 

[WHOFOUNDFUNGUS]

I know many here are explaining the "best thing" for your situation, but I still recommend you take all of this advise with a grain of salt and look at the actual results from others using it. I know the lists are short, but many of us haven't yet had the time with the new platform, and the slowness of anything new in RAM rolling out ATM ( I think so they can show it all off at CES first). What you will find is that 3200-3600MHz kits all perform differently depending on the tasks you want to complete. Most of the advice has been given to achieve the best latency, (which isnt the end all of DDR4 clocking performance for AMD) but most seem to think it is. If you are hunting for the best bandwidth in something like AIDA64 sure, but in real testing outside of that application, things can change at a drop of a hat, no matter how well they do in AIDA.

Patriot Viper 4 Blackout Edition DDR4-3600 16GB Memory Kit Review

Patriot's Viper 4 Blackout Edition DDR4-3600 16GB dual-channel RAM is the most affordable 3600MHz CAS17 kit we could find and it's tested here.

www.tweaktown.com

V-Color PRISM II RGB DDR4-3600 MHz CL18 2x8 GB Review

With a polished silver heat spreader and a pastel RGB LED diffuser that is available in seven different colors, the PRISM II RGB kit from V-Color certainly has flair. This premium kit has the perfect sweet spot for Ryzen performance with a 3600 MHz XMP profile and is affordably priced to boot.

www.techpowerup.com

The first link uses your board, and it runs a 3900X so that AIDA results are comparable to Intel system testing, without losing half the write bandwidth, which is what is shown using the 3600X and the MSI MEG in the second. There are plenty of sites now adding AMD DDR4 testing, and likely you may find kits that TweakTown and TPU have not used.

A lot of the advise is solid. Go for good b-die (straight timed...IE 14-14-14), even the new hynix chips. Buy the speed you want, as even what you see in reviews may not be attainable, but the board you chose is designed for RAM tweaking with special attention paid to the layout of the motherboard to aid in that quest. It really comes down to the IMC, and if you want to clock for the stars, opt for the 3600X as it is what is able to run 5000MHz RAM currently.

I know the choices are overwhelming. I say go somewhere like Newegg, select down to maybe 10 kits based on speed, timings, arrange them by cost, and eliminate anything with RGB. You will be left with a very short list of kits to do your homework on.

Sorry it took so long for me to spill my guts, but I have only had short bursts of time to drop a couple pennies here and there.

Thanks again. Your posts are among the most sensible on this thread IMO and I greatly appreciate the advice. Black Friday is nearly here and I will certainly take what you stated here to heart when I decide to make my purchase.

 

[eidairaman1]

Oh, one other thing, apparently T-topology is better for dual rank modules, whereas daisy chain allows for higher memory clocks. Might be something to consider when it comes to the board you're getting.
Have a look at the ultimate Ryzen motherboard guide some helpful people have put together.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/htmlview?sle=true#gid=2112472504

Youre talking about traces right? Why not a hybrid lol