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In our neck of the woods, the Royal Canadian Mint sells gold coins and bars, also known as bullion.
Yes I know but I am talking about the Gold you buy on the Stock Market.
 
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Yes I know but I am talking about the Gold you buy on the Stock Market.
In that case, no, you aren't actually buying Gold itself. An ETF is the closest you can come to owning Gold through the stock market.
 
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This is how every appreciating asset works.
At least the majority of traditional investments have a product and utility. This has nothing but waste and predation. Meme investors don't care about fundamentals. With a traditional investment, you are betting that the company or product will succeed and there are complex and unpredictable external forces. With this ponzi scheme, it is as simple as hoping others buy it so your value goes up, and selling at the right time.
When a recession hits, this failed 'currency' will crash as people try to get money to cover their other debts/needs. The dream was for this currency to stand on its own, but it failed its goals long ago. Don't buy high. You only make or lose money when you hit the sell button. Now is a great time to hit that sell button; when you have the luxury of choice. You can't always afford to wait out until the next peak.
This is a great time to buy land and equipment. Start raising livestock, chickens, and start a garden. Or wait until a recession with that cash already in hand.
Not only is it good for you, appreciating land is a value that appreciates.
With short-sighted predatory meme investments leveraging debt, inflationary policy (reducing labor force, laying off with pay a huge number of people, tariffs raising prices and only sending production to a different non-us country), reducing regulation helping businesses and hurting people (how'd fast construction work out in china?), empty corporate office debt boiling over, and banks selling their risk to people, it's only a matter of time before things go bad. Almost any reasonable investor can see that the economy has been unreasonable for a long time, and is due a correction. You see P/E ratios of big companies in people's 401ks up at 50, and others planning for them to go to 100, you know things are bad.
A recession could start within the next 3 to 6 months, but definitely within the next 10 years. Ignore hype and do what makes sense, while you have a choice. No one has your interest in mind. Everything looks like it is shooting up right now, but it is all very unstable and only one question-mark away from falling. The strongest voices of hope are proven liars. Do what is good for you.

I get what you're trying to say but what the eff is this :wtf:
It's an anti-ponzi statement. Ponzi deniers are bulls about going to the moon. They have the opinion that growth is inevitable and everyone has the chance to make money. They don't see themselves as stepping on the heads of those who come after them and prop them up, but the truth is that there is never enough room at the top. To blow their mind, if they believe that everyone can make money, you have to show them that this is really an adversarial market that they are engaged with; because if they mutually succeed they all mutually fail due to inflation. They aren't succeeding together, they are predators who bought in and are looking for other buyers to benefit them. They are all playing a betting game about going in and going out at the right time. It's a meaningless tulip market that has already grown way too much. The tulips aren't what they want in the end, and they will happily swap them back for what they really want, just like any other ponzi scheme. Bitcoin had promise, but it failed long ago. Other factors are already in place to make it crumble. Ponzi schemes always make sense at first, but always fail eventually. Push it to the extreme, and it fails. There is nothing different between this and any other ponzi scheme, so push it to the extreme to prove your point.
 
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So excited the FTC is going to drop Ripple (XRP) case. I bought in at $.30 - $.50 , just been sitting, and now it is pushing $3. Woo!
 
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$BTC hits $100k+
$ETH almost $4k.

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The diamond hands 'hodling' keep the bubble expanding. What event will cause them to let it collapse?
Historically, if it crashes, it crashes around this time of year. There is plenty of turmoil in our world. Don't buy high.
 
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Historically, if it crashes, it crashes around this time of year.
That's not accurate, in the last two rallies the price started to go down by November and May, not that this matters because it doesn't mean anything.

The only "meaningful" historical pattern is that of the halving and it's rally seems to be only at the beginning.

What event will cause them to let it collapse
It seems like that event was the US election and it already passed.
 
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It seems like that event was the US election and it already passed.
Nah. People are high on hope and hype. The actual market disturbances still exist and are just waiting for something to snap. If you look at what has caused markets to collapse, we are in prime position with the same conditions. Most things are massively over-valued. Many people are leveraging debt. Banks are selling their 'risk' so that they are allowed to lend to even more people who can then leverage even more debt for more unrealized 'value'. Governments are unhealthy. The US housing market is unhealthy. The empty corporate office condition causing loan defaults is on a precipice. The US has a strong push to deregulate, give corporations even more control and even more profit, and the monetary disparity continues to grow. The labor market is shrinking due to policy. Things are bad. Something will snap. Hype may continue to drive the market short-term, but long-term it is not sustainable. If something doesn't snap first, it will snap with civil unrest. By 2035, we have a massive problem, but probably much sooner. Playing with your money in a completely useless and over-valued crypto market is just nuts. We all will be hurt by all the dumb and uneducated investments taking place; especially the younger generation who is much more illiterate and completely out of touch with market fundamentals. It is literally foolishness or stupidity that causes it to continue to rise and it is literally a bout of selling that will cause it to collapse even faster. People act like crypto is a replacement, but it is useless and people will sell it to get themselves out of whatever other bind comes their way.
 
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Nearly everything you just stated as a downfall is actually an UPSIDE for crypto and will just strengthen it. BTC is world wide. Countries that can't afford the interest for loans from the World Banks will be using BTC. In fact MANY 3rd world countries are turning to it and soon it will exceed the market cap for Real Estate.

"Cyptocurrency is undeniably transforming the financial landscape of the region, home to a number of high ranking nations on our Global Adoption Index. Nigeria maintained its position as a top global player, ranking second worldwide, while Ethiopia (26), Kenya (28), and South Africa (30) also made the top 30.
 
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Nearly everything you just stated as a downfall is actually an UPSIDE for crypto and will just strengthen it. BTC is world wide. Countries that can't afford the interest for loans from the World Banks will be using BTC. In fact MANY 3rd world countries are turning to it and soon it will exceed the market cap for Real Estate.

"Cyptocurrency is undeniably transforming the financial landscape of the region, home to a number of high ranking nations on our Global Adoption Index. Nigeria maintained its position as a top global player, ranking second worldwide, while Ethiopia (26), Kenya (28), and South Africa (30) also made the top 30.
According to Statista, real estate's worldwide market cap is over $600 trillion.
 
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Nearly everything you just stated as a downfall is actually an UPSIDE for crypto and will just strengthen it. BTC is world wide. Countries that can't afford the interest for loans from the World Banks will be using BTC. In fact MANY 3rd world countries are turning to it and soon it will exceed the market cap for Real Estate.

"Cyptocurrency is undeniably transforming the financial landscape of the region, home to a number of high ranking nations on our Global Adoption Index. Nigeria maintained its position as a top global player, ranking second worldwide, while Ethiopia (26), Kenya (28), and South Africa (30) also made the top 30.

What's the source of that quote, and what does "turning to it" mean?
 
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According to Statista, real estate's worldwide market cap is over $600 trillion.
@ZenZimZaliben meant real estate market cap for 3rd world countries, excluding developed countries such as USA, most of EU, Singapore, etc., which if you think about it, isn't that much.

As far as the usefulness of BTC, I just can't see BTC being used for every day transaction. Instead, I see ETH and SOL for that, which I also own. I see BTC as more of an asset that you keep for long term. I don't invest in other coins as I don't have the same confidence in them. At this point, you probably will get more upside than but also more volatility as well.

If you keep saying the market will crash every year, eventually you will be right. But during that time before it crashes, the market would have gone up much more and you already got your gains. If it already doubled and crashed 30%, you are still well ahead. I bought before BTC hit $30k and was told it was too high and about to crash, and look where we are now...

Keep a small portion, 1-2% of your total portfolio on high risk/high reward assets. It is part of diverse investment strategy.

Next prediction - BTC at $250k by 2028. ETH - $7k.
 
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Nearly everything you just stated as a downfall is actually an UPSIDE for crypto and will just strengthen it. BTC is world wide. Countries that can't afford the interest for loans from the World Banks will be using BTC. In fact MANY 3rd world countries are turning to it and soon it will exceed the market cap for Real Estate.

"Cyptocurrency is undeniably transforming the financial landscape of the region, home to a number of high ranking nations on our Global Adoption Index. Nigeria maintained its position as a top global player, ranking second worldwide, while Ethiopia (26), Kenya (28), and South Africa (30) also made the top 30.
So what will people do? Default on everything, go bancrupt, start over, and wait until their society provides the infrastrucure allowing them to live on cryptocurrency? No, they will sell it to get out of their bind. At least enough will that it will matter. An estimated 1/3 of Bitcoin owners leveraged debt to buy it in the first place. At some point it will be a race to sell like every other similar speculative greater fool scheme. I'm not saying it will go to zero. I am not saying that everyone will sell. All I am saying is that enough will need to sell that it will matter, and probably will create panic and a run for the door like every other time a speculative nothing dropped.
 
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Crypto is a child of the Internet. The main stream media did not support it but today every financial channel on TV has ticker for Bitcoin and ETH. The narrative has changed to invest in the price of Bitcoin but that is a fool's gambit. As Bitcoin matures you will see some of the same behaviours that exist in traditional money markets.
 
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So what will people do? Default on everything, go bancrupt, start over, and wait until their society provides the infrastrucure allowing them to live on cryptocurrency? No, they will sell it to get out of their bind.
Sorry to burst your bubble but as bad as crypto is it still pales in comparison with the likes of Lehman Brothers, Enron, Nortel, etc, who managed to screw over and ruin the lives of millions of people, all within the confines of this apparently regulated and safe financial system.

At least with crypto you can lose it all of your own accord, for better or worse.
 
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Sorry to burst your bubble but as bad as crypto is it still pales in comparison with the likes of Lehman Brothers, Enron, Nortel, etc, who managed to screw over and ruin the lives of millions of people, all within the confines of this apparently regulated and safe financial system.

At least with crypto you can lose it all of your own accord, for better or worse.
I'm not saying the alternative is good. Just saying there is nothing protecting and isolating crypto.
 
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I'm not saying the alternative is good
And I'm simply pointing out that, at least historically, the alternative has proved to be capable of doing far worse. The thing is that at least with bitcoin you lose money for pseudo random reasons, no one is really in control of it, meanwhile with those corporations and financial institutions it's all done knowingly and with malice. That makes if far worse in my opinion.

there is nothing protecting and isolating crypto.
The institutions that are supposed to protect us proved to be incapable of stopping or preventing world wide financial crises, that's like the worst thing that can happen, I doubt economies will ever collapse because of crypto.
 
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The institutions that are supposed to protect us proved to be incapable of stopping or preventing world wide financial crises, that's like the worst thing that can happen, I doubt economies will ever collapse because of crypto.
I'm not saying they will crash because of crypto. I'm saying crypto will crash because of them. Crypto is hype waiting for something to crash it.
By all regular metrics, the stock market is currently worse than we've ever seen. How long can it last? The only 'good' metric is how high it is, which is actually a terrible thing because it highlights how much of a rip-off it is to buy into it. It's a record worse deal than ever before, which is hardly a good thing.
 
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I'm not saying they will crash because of crypto. I'm saying crypto will crash because of them. Crypto is hype waiting for something to crash it.
By all regular metrics, the stock market is currently worse than we've ever seen. How long can it last? The only 'good' metric is how high it is, which is actually a terrible thing because it highlights how much of a rip-off it is to buy into it. It's a record worse deal than ever before, which is hardly a good thing.
A 15 year hype? BTC is not Beanie Babies. I think after say a decade, that thing isn't a Fad anymore.

@ZenZimZaliben meant real estate market cap for 3rd world countries, excluding developed countries such as USA, most of EU, Singapore, etc., which if you think about it, isn't that much.

As far as the usefulness of BTC, I just can't see BTC being used for every day transaction. Instead, I see ETH and SOL for that, which I also own. I see BTC as more of an asset that you keep for long term. I don't invest in other coins as I don't have the same confidence in them. At this point, you probably will get more upside than but also more volatility as well.

If you keep saying the market will crash every year, eventually you will be right. But during that time before it crashes, the market would have gone up much more and you already got your gains. If it already doubled and crashed 30%, you are still well ahead. I bought before BTC hit $30k and was told it was too high and about to crash, and look where we are now...

Keep a small portion, 1-2% of your total portfolio on high risk/high reward assets. It is part of diverse investment strategy.

Next prediction - BTC at $250k by 2028. ETH - $7k.
Yeah for 3rd world countries.

I think your ETH prediction is low. More like $10k is my bet.
 
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A 15 year hype? BTC is not Beanie Babies. I think after say a decade, that thing isn't a Fad anymore.
It's not any less hype (more actually) than anything else going on right now, and it will drop when everything else does.
 
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@ZenZimZaliben meant real estate market cap for 3rd world countries, excluding developed countries such as USA, most of EU, Singapore, etc., which if you think about it, isn't that much.

As far as the usefulness of BTC, I just can't see BTC being used for every day transaction. Instead, I see ETH and SOL for that, which I also own. I see BTC as more of an asset that you keep for long term. I don't invest in other coins as I don't have the same confidence in them. At this point, you probably will get more upside than but also more volatility as well.

If you keep saying the market will crash every year, eventually you will be right. But during that time before it crashes, the market would have gone up much more and you already got your gains. If it already doubled and crashed 30%, you are still well ahead. I bought before BTC hit $30k and was told it was too high and about to crash, and look where we are now...

Keep a small portion, 1-2% of your total portfolio on high risk/high reward assets. It is part of diverse investment strategy.

Next prediction - BTC at $250k by 2028. ETH - $7k.
Ah, in the context of the third world, it seems like a more likely scenario except that the developing countries aren't as small as people think. According to Statista, India's real estate is expected to be valued at over $45 trillion by the end of the year.

The Real Estate market market in India is expected to reach a projected value of US$45.32tn by 2024.
Among the various segments, Residential Real Estate holds the largest share, with a projected market volume of US$39.18tn in 2024.
 
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Ah, in the context of the third world, it seems like a more likely scenario except that the developing countries aren't as small as people think. According to Statista, India's real estate is expected to be valued at over $45 trillion by the end of the year.
I don’t think India is considered a third world country anymore.
 
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I don't think any country should be labeled in an offensive way.
As far as the feeling though, India feels like any other 'third world' country I have been to. It's great and refreshing, but somewhat out of control and without standards.
 
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