DTS DCH Driver for Realtek HDA [DTS:X APO4 + DTS Interactive]

[ajf64]

Update on above (sorry a little late):

The issue is unresolved, however I will be investigating and possibly will be sending emails to certain companies.
However, instead I delivered the next best thing, a fully working Interactive:X, with E-APO upmixing.

If you have a SPDIF or HDMI receiver that supports 'DTS Audio' or 'DTS-HD', you can use this package.
If you have HDMI that supports DTS:X, make sure the receiver is set to passthrough.

Interactive:X - A combination of DTS:X Ultra multichannel + DTS Interactive (5.1 HW, 7.1 Virtual).

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Windows 10 Atmos test, note there is no DTS:X HT on Win10:

Dolby Atmos - SPDIF

Watch "Dolby Atmos - SPDIF" on Streamable.

streamable.com

On Win11, ajf64 got format not supported with Atmos.

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Here is something I have sat on for a while, but have not said anything until now.

Either Microsoft is very dumb with SPDIF, and even HDMI for that matter when it comes to DirectSound, or companies like DTS-Dolby don't like the fact it pretty much takes them out.
Given that SPDIF is capable of 15 PCM channels @ 192k, at the lowest end (consumer), with TOSLink 2.0 @ 125Mbit/s max. Currently you only need 25Mbit/s.

The slowest TOSLink 2.0 module is 20Mbit/s, which covers all formats, including most of DTS-HD MA (24.5mbps), which is rarely that size.


Wikipedia claim that: "IEC 61937-3: defines how to transmit Dolby Digital (AC-3) and Dolby Digital Plus (E-AC-3) bitstreams via an IEC 60958/61937 (S/PDIF) interface".
And then later: "However, the S/PDIF interface has insufficient bandwidth to transport Dolby Digital Plus (E-AC-3) bitstreams at the 3.0Mbit/s data rate specified by HD DVD".

According to Wikipedia, HD-DVD was released in 2006, and yet I can find info on TOSLink @ 125mbps from 2008, only 2 years later (here and here).
HDMI ARC, which came out in 2009, has a maximum bitrate of 1Mbit/s, eARC (2018) and HDMI-DiplayPort are 37Mbit/s.

Also note, SPDIF has no set bitrate, and its set by the hardware that is used, 125Mbit/s is roughly equal to 27 x 192k.

Can anyone name an operating system, HDMI version and GPU that does 11.1 PCM @ 192k?

Realtek 889 PCM is capable of the following:

PCM bitrate: 9.216 Mbit/s @ 192 kHz
Audio channels: 2
Number of audio programs per bitstream: 2
Sample rate: 32, 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96 or 192 kHz

Dolby Digital Plus is capable of the following:

Coded bitrate: 0.032 to 6.144 Mbit/s
Audio channels: 1.0 to 15.1
Number of audio programs per bitstream: 8
Sample rate: 32, 44.1 or 48 kHz

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A man walks into an AV shop, and asks for a good SPDIF device to go along with his TOSLink cable that specifies all formats supported and runs at 125 Mbps, that he just purchased.

Sales man: No sorry sir, I dictate you cannot use SPDIF, because I quote "It does have the bitrate for lossless formats." I can sell you HDMI which runs at 37 Mbps.
Customer: WTF! How am I meant to get 12 channels (11.1) in PCM @ 192k (55.3 Mbps) with only 37 Mbps?
Sales man: I can sell you some multichannel spatial tech, which requires specific hardware and a license, or you can use digital encoding + license.
Customer: Double WTF!

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@ajf64, with Win11 on SPDIF, with the added formats, if I select either DTS:X HT or Atmos HT, in both cases the store opens on the app.
I don't get the 'format not supported' error that you do, so I believe there is an issue with Windows it's self.

I have forgotten if the install was an update from 10, a fresh Win11 might be needed.
I will continue to look into DTS:X HT on SPDIF, another few posts here.

You can tell the license based restriction has been intentionally programmed, because SPDIF does not have DTS-HD normally, and will not show DTS:X HT.
The same can be said for DTS:X Ultra, and if I remember correctly, the Sound Unbound decoders, they don't work on SPDIF, by programming.

Again you can tell the programming is intentional, as any driver with DTS:X Ultra, never has it on SPDIF, and its denied if you try.
The PCM portion of SPDIF is no different to Speakers or HDMI, PCM is PCM, APO's are PCM processors.

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seems kinda dumb cuz the added format's work just fine with passthrough and the decoders seem to work for unbound just not the encoders

 

[erpguy53]

Product Support | Acer United States
Hmmm This Audio Driver want to say something but its huge 1GB. so i did not try.

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this Realtek UAD 6.0.9247.1 driver from Acer has DTSXUltraHSA v1.10.9.0 instead of 1.10.1.0 (almost 1Gb)

edit - this Realtek UAD 6.0.9282.1 from Gigabyte has updated DTS preset files

 

[sebus]

Hello Ferather, a side question about DTS - is it possible to purchase their license outside of MS Store as I'm on an LTSC branch of Windows hence no Store at all?
I mean, is it possible to order some key/license file and place it to the appropriate folder so that DTS detects and utilizes it?
Thanks!

Why not just install store on LTSC?
Visit https://forums.mydigitallife.net/ to learn how

Just a simple question (after reading most of the 39 pages):
Should the drivers work with ie this ?

Thanks

sebus

 

[Ferather]

@ajf64, Indeed very bad move an all companies (not just DTS), as far as I know even official Dolby-Nahimic-other drivers don't have it on SPDIF.
The last time I checked the decoders did not decode multichannel to SPDIF, but they may have fixed that (using Photos app).

@sebus, It should do, although that's a USB version you will likely have to convert it to HDAUDIO.
My HDMI extractor is programmed with DTS:X Ultra + Interactive (Interactive:X).

To use this driver, you must first have a Realtek, if you do not have a Realtek, use this Ultra pack here.

 

[sebus]

It is possible to "convert" USB Audio to HDAUDIO ?

What would be a recommended USB device?

Thanks

sebus

 

[Ferather]

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/dts-dch-driver-for-realtek-dts-x.279972/post-4638174, DTS Settings here.
You only need the 'HDAUDIO' parts, you dont need the first 3 keys that have the value 0x0000000 (0).

I cannot recommend a USB converter, I have never used one, I am sorry.

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New Potplayer folder, includes the settings (preset) I am using: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4pco3j68atfei/Potplayer

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Sound processes CPU check, also note discord uses quite a bit of CPU. I am using SPDIF only.

 

[ajf64]

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/dts-dch-driver-for-realtek-dts-x.279972/post-4638174, DTS Settings here.
You only need the 'HDAUDIO' parts, you dont need the first 3 keys that have the value 0x0000000 (0).

I cannot recommend a USB converter, I have never used one, I am sorry.

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New Potplayer folder, includes the settings (preset) I am using: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4pco3j68atfei/Potplayer

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Sound processes CPU check, also note discord uses quite a bit of CPU. I am using SPDIF only.

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is that with sound upmix enabled?

 

[Ferather]

Yes, everything on, with Stereo Mix linked to SPDIF (muted stream), and with E-APO upmixing.



I meant Gbps on discord, just noticed myself, rofl. Here is idle but with apps open.



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Some ALC's and receivers may power down SPDIF if there is no audio, resulting in a pop.
The pop is at the start and-or end of audio, 'Stereo Mix' prevents this (always on).

My ALC 889 and Z906 don't have this issue, I just prefer the decode light always on.

 

[ajf64]

Yes, everything on, with Stereo Mix linked to SPDIF (muted stream), and with E-APO upmixing.

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I meant Gbps on discord, just noticed myself, rofl. Here is idle but with apps open.

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Some ALC's and receivers may power down SPDIF if there is no audio, resulting in a pop.
The pop is at the start and-or end of audio, 'Stereo Mix' prevents this (always on).

My ALC 889 and Z906 don't have this issue, I just prefer the decode light always on.

can you check usage at idle with no apps running or nothing also check your voltage cpuz is prob best for your cpu

 

[Ferather]

 

[ajf64]

that seems about right new chips are so finicky weird tho i do remember those fx chips down clocking more give it a shot with upmix disabled and see what your idle voltage and frequency are

 

[Ferather]

As far As I know the FX doesn't go down further than .920v.

 

[ajf64]

As far As I know the FX doesn't go down further than .920v.

ya your right i looked it up after to compare idle voltage funny thing fx is about 5 times higher then ryzen 2

 

[Ferather]

Indeed I need to upgrade, funny part is, I mostly just need a better GPU, but still the newer tech is going to be better. However I always go for direct upgrades.

I take the detailed specs of my current hardware, for example the CPU, and check the cache's, number of cores, speed and so on.
The next CPU I buy, will have the same or higher (or in some cases lower) values, not worse in any way.

Anyhow, 21H2 got a cumulative update, and the audio system seems to be updated, but not upgraded (like Win11).



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On a side note, I have had a few TeamViewer sessions where for some reason the user installed both packs (not as an update).

>> If you are using this pack, with your Realtek, you don't need the Ultra pack.

The Ultra pack is a separate pack for those who need a specific Realtek driver, or have no Realtek at all.


Edit: The main package was re-uploaded, and the quick update was those who previously installed it.

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Tips for new users:

Double click 'Install', no need to right click then admin (wont work anyhow).
You will be asked for permission for each step, no hidden nasties.

[Main]: DTS Interactive (X) on SPDIF | [Alternative]: Stereo on SPDIF.

You can also switch between using the 'DTS Settings', ask if you need help.

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If you are using Potplayer and fancy PCM direct without fiddling with SPDIF, use WASAPI exclusive.

 

[ajf64]

ya i went from a fx-6300 and a r9 390 to a 3900x with a 6900xt performance leap was well worth the investment but i got a really long time out of my system infact i gave it to my nephew and hes still gaming on it so your still good for a while

 

[Ferather]

I would keep it just for the ALC889, plus the FX and R series does everything without delay, just lacks on the gaming side in terms of current specs and performance available.

In Win11, you will see all the SPDIF sample rates your device supports, in Win10, its a set range for some reason.

 

[ajf64]

hmm thats pretty wierd kinda crazy how the realtek audio engine has basicly not changed in 15 years lol just slight tweaks and variations

 

[jose_luis]

Sin razon aparente "Realtek audio control" ha dejado de funcionar, lo he desinstalado/reinstalado y tampoco funciona ¿que puedo hacer?.

Saludos.

Solucionado cambiando dos servicios a automatico:

1 - RPC
2 - Realtek

Saludos.

P.D.: Busque en Google ;-):

 

[Ferather]

There are two services, one that starts from 'Startup', the other is a service, both must be active.




I would guess Windows update may have installed a driver?

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@ajf64, when is the last time you have seen a top quality professional soundcard with HDMI and not SPDIF In-Out?
Its also very easy to add a TOSLink module to a GPU, although most of the space is taken, it should still fit.

Also note my ALC 889 from 2008 has content protection for full rate lossless HD-DVD and Blueray (and more).
Still we have to wait for DTS-Dolby and even Wikipedia to update from 1983 to 2008+ with SPDIF.

 

[ajf64]

There are two services, one that starts from 'Startup', the other is a service, both must be active.

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I would guess Windows update may have installed a driver?

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@ajf64, when is the last time you have seen a top quality professional soundcard with HDMI and not SPDIF In-Out?
Its also very easy to add a TOSLink module to a GPU, although most of the space is taken, it should still fit.

Also note my ALC 889 from 2008 has content protection for full rate lossless HD-DVD and Blueray (and more).
Still we have to wait for DTS-Dolby and even Wikipedia to update from 1983 to 2008+ with SPDIF.

honestly i was just at micro center looking at them and even the top of the line creative for like 400$ is only spdif they didnt have any that offered hdmi and i tested just like your spdif mine can handle bit rates much higher then any of those codecs so im with you its 100% possible i mean the formats you added pass through perfectly but i have a feeling gpu audio is ment to replace sound cards completly i mean no one is putting any research and development in to high quality sound cards anymore its all gpu at this point i have yet to use my gpu for sound

 

[Ferather]

It's all silly m8, GPU's are pretty much the only devices using HDMI, and they are no different to a dedicated £XXX card, it's still a PCM processor and passthrough device.
HDMI audio is still miles behind the capability of SPDIF and TOSLink 2.0, slower, some loss and with less reach. Silly to have to convert HDMI to TOSlink.

As I said, GPU OEM's should add a TOSLink module, which utilizes a bitrate the device can handle, or runs at the full rate (125mbps).
Windows accepts the added formats to SPDIF, and they work in the same way as an EDID when ticked.

I am taking note at the fact Microsoft have made changes that favour SPDIF's actual potential, it seems to detect the digital converters total channels.
Windows 11 is better at detecting SPDIF hardware, and if I remember correctly, when I converted SPDIF to HDMI, HDCP was supported.

Windows 11 also fully detected my ALC 889's capability with SPDIF in terms of sample rates, whereas Win10 does not.

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If companies want to make interfaces have specific licenses in order to get steady funding, fine, but make all interfaces licensable.
Any APO's that works on 'Speakers', will also work on SPDIF and HDMI devices, without effecting passthrough.

In short, any PCM APO-DSP-Other (even E-APO) processors also work on other PCM capable devices, and more money is made.



I would buy it all if I could, but still. True HT, 0ms delay.

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Both Dolby and DTS can bundle their PCM software with a GPU, which is licensed, and paid for on purchase.
There is no need to restrict PCM enhancers (APO-DSP), to certain interfaces, when its all PCM.

As far as I know both companies support direct decoding to PCM, such as 'Speakers'.
Reading through DTS APO4, it has support for 12 channel processing.

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Added 'No Panel Policy' to the 'Settings and Utility' folder, if you have issues with Windows driver updates:
How to disable automatic driver updates on Windows 10, or find similar web guides.

Updated 'DTS Settings', also in the 'Settings and Utility' folder.

 

[ajf64]

i think it was more the issue that not all toslinks are created = and all the development and money went behind hdmi basicly makeing toslink more or less pointless tho every tv still has one but the ones in tv are often shit compared to ones in good av receivers
and pc sound cards

 

[Ferather]

Far from pointless when TOSLink supersedes HDMI audio specs, HDMI 2.0+ only recently got 1536k total aggregate samples.

If we go with 15 channels at the consumer level SPDIF (not TOSLink), it would be 2880k total aggregate samples.
If we go with max speed TOSLink 2.0 (20-125), 125mbps would be 5184k total aggregate samples.

Given that HDMI audio max's out at 37mbps, it can do no more than 8 x192, 1536k, not enough bitrate to do more.

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If you are building a unit that did 15 channels with SPDIF, you will be using TOSLink 2.0, it would require ~70mbps.

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TOSLink SMI destroys eARC specs for duplex, return. Here are some images from Toshiba (2008).





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Top companies should stick to PCM processing, and their formats for file size and lower streaming bandwidth, since that's what they are for.
They would make more money if they made the PCM software, and passthrough available to all interfaces on my PC.

 

[ajf64]

problem is the cost in inolved when they can just have one output that dose both video and audio really seems it was all do to manufatures wanting to just remove a port due to cost savings then anything else becouse if it was all about audio quality then seperateing audio from the video would be the best way to go to optimize sound quality but we all know its always about someone being able to make a few bucks the port its self is far from usless but economics and no standardization due to everyone droping ship for the cheaper option has rendered it so

 

[Ferather]

I understand the purpose of video and audio in one link, but the whole one can the other cannot, due to bandwidth as the explanation, its the other way around.
As far as I can tell, TOSLink is cheaper overall, however, it's very easy to clone the audio data from HDMI to TOSLink, without SPDIF.

A GPU very easily can utilize a TOSLink module and work as an HDMI device, without issues, its not the hardware.
Think of wired internet, the delay, the maximum speed and range, vs fiber optic internet.

Imagine a digital coaxial cable, that run-has the specifications of HDMI.

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Here is a HDMI hybrid cable that uses OM3 multi-mode fibre optic cable in order to do video at the required bandwidth.
Sadly, this does not upgrade the system to OM3, they exist to increase the range of the cable.

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Another question is, content protection only 'seems' to apply in digital cases, and not to analogue audio.
So why does my ALC 889 from 2008, have content protection for Blu-ray, HD-DVD, so on?

The only digital interface it has is SPDIF, and I cant find much on analogue.

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Re-structured the main directory (see post 1). Ask if you need help with the optional files.