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So... reporting wrongdoings, giving voice to whistleblowers is "grossly unethical"?
That's the kind of opinion you'd usually expect from shady businessmen lining their pockets, not the general public.
 
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You are still on your passionate drill towards GN?....
I am not sure if your mind is steady enough to read and think about the articles in the SPJ code of ethics, think about what they mean, if they are relevant, why are they important, and if Stephen Burke violated some of them and how?

I mentioned three violations, I wonder if you can find more?

Also, could you please answer this question too:

How does attacking a company and significantly decreasing its revenue help their creditors?

You do not need to hurry, answer them only after a few days of careful deliberation.
 
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How does attacking a company and significantly decreasing its revenue help their creditors?

How does attacking a company, in your opinion, no one elses. significantly decreasing its revenue help their creditors? EK decreased their own revenue, by shady practices, and it's no ones job to help the creditor but EK, no one elses.
 
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So... reporting wrongdoings, giving voice to whistleblowers is "grossly unethical"?
You are mixing three things together.

First, you report wrongdoings to respective state authorities.

You do not give voice to whistleblowers, because whistleblowing is exclusively about breaking legislation and reporting to state authorities. You may help a whisleblower contact the correct authority or help him if he is in some sort of danger. That is all how you can help him. You NEVER REPORT anything a whisteblower says publicly for many reasons.

And I wrote "grossly unethical" in the point of view of the Code of Ethics of SPJ, btw some of the rules mentioned there are commonly known and feel completely natural and intuitively correct to me.
 
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Quit trolling dude
 
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You need to take some time before you post something, really.
What I find funny is that it always seems that when GN comes out with a video detailing wrongdoing from a company or something, there's always that small group of folks like you who will literally trip over and fall trying to deflect and water down the other side's wrongdoings while also attempting to discredit and crap on GN for somehow doing "unethical" reporting. At this point, with the pages of your rambling trying to discredit and shame GN while continuously stubbornly arguing, I actually believe you might be part of upper management or a shareholder or even worse, Edvard's alt account.

If you don't like GN's type of reporting because it's too boring or you feel like it's too focused on "drama," fine, that's your opinion. But discrediting all the journalistic investagtion and work he has done and trying to paint him as this "evil person" who wants to capitalise on EK's issues to grow his channel and bring them to bankruptcy for his benefit................at this point mate lay off the Kool-Aid and quit overdosing. This is literally you
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Literally every single time with his videos, The Newegg Open Box Controversy, Asus 7000X3D Motherboard Burnout issues, LTT error and ethical concerns, Asus ROG Ally issues, Intel 13th and 14th gen burnouts and now this with EK. There's always that small group of folks who will always find an excuse for the other side just to discredit and shame GN.
 
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People moan all the time... you need to show your solid stance. Debate about more gentle ways of exposing criminals... sheesh...
People moan all the effin time when it has literally nothing to do with them, with this episode how the eff has GN helped consumers? By giving them less choice? Why doesn't he do "investigative" journalism on Intel, Nvidia, Apple or their slave labor from Xinjiang or how about the "environmental impact" of relocating yer jobs overseas?
Literally every single time with his videos, The Newegg Open Box Controversy, Asus 7000X3D Motherboard Burnout issues, LTT error and ethical concerns, Asus ROG Ally issues, Intel 13th and 14th gen burnouts and now this with EK. There's always that small group of folks who will always find an excuse for the other side just to discredit and shame GN.
Pretty easy to do commentary from a Penthouse when you're lightning a fire underneath someone else, let's see what happens when it's your "money" on the line!

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
Probably apt here, it denotes both strength of character as well as actual position of strength!
 

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Why I get a feeling that people defending EK (or blaming GN) has something to do with EK? Shareholders at least?
 

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Shareholders? Is that the best you can come up with :laugh:
I don't understand that why the hell someone would defend a company which has done wrong without a reason?
 
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GN can present a story without adding their own spin or flavor to it, how is that not hard to understand? Second ~ if the situation was salvageable, which I'm not 100% sure of ~ then they really ought to have tried that first! Hence the quote about forgiveness.
 
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... pages of your rambling trying to discredit and shame GN while continuously stubbornly arguing, I actually believe you might be part of upper management or a shareholder or even worse, Edvard's alt account.
This is really funny, all I do is rationally pointing out where his videos deviated from the "good journalistic practise" according to the SPJ Code of Ethics.

Stubborly arguing - I agree with that, that is the only thing you can do when you face angry irrational mob.

I wrote I think two or three times that I will not comment on the character and motives of mr. König.

I already wrote this:

There is no reason why EKWB should be held to higher standards than all other companies, they are subjected to the same state control and regulation as all other companies.

Every customer, employee, contractor and supplier enjoys the same protection and rights when dealing with EKWB as when dealing with all other companies.

There is no reason why personalities and behaviour of the owners should be judged, when the owners of all other companies are not only not judged, but also not known at all.

EKWB owners and managers can make mistakes as all other people, and while mistakes of concrete physical people of other companies are hidden behind the corporate veil, their mistakes are obvious.

If you made some evaluation scales for the company owners and managers, as scales of GREED, EVIL and SOCIOPATHY, after carefully objectivelly examined EKWB owners and managers and placed them on these scales, what if say half of all company owners and managers in the world would be even worse than them? Why are you pouring all your hate and vitriol on these poor fellas, when they may be just as bad as an average business owner or top manager?

I don't understand that why the hell someone would defend a company which has done wrong without a reason?
That is a good question, I am mostly concerned about consumers who most likely will face smaller range of choice, and about ALL the creditors of the company, who most likely will never get their money back.

The only chance for that not to happen is a prosperous EKWB. With their greedy and evil owners making money. Because most of them are like this and I do not care, I do not need them as my friends.
 
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There are a few too many high horses in this thread.
 
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Why I get a feeling that people defending EK (or blaming GN) has something to do with EK? Shareholders at least?
Ego driven contrarianism, martyr ship at its finest.
 
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People moan all the effin time when it has literally nothing to do with them, with this episode how the eff has GN helped consumers? By giving them less choice? Why doesn't he do "investigative" journalism on Intel, Nvidia, Apple or their slave labor from Xinjiang or how about the "environmental impact" of relocating yer jobs overseas?
Now here we go with the whataboutism deflection attempt. Mate, there's nothing wrong with criticising a smaller sized company for corruption or wrongdoing while also acknowledging that there are bigger issues somewhere. Just because bigger bad stuff is happening somewhere else does not mean that GN and the people here criticising EK are being intentionally ignorant of bigger issues, and it does not excuse EK of the corruption that has been going on there, especially with their staff not being paid for months, mistreated, and threatened if they speak out.

Probably apt here, it denotes both strength of character as well as actual position of strength!
Right, so everyone here who is critical of EK is of weak character because they won't forgive or excuse them for their corruption and mismanagement? Let's apply this more broadly. What about the EK employees who were mistreated and not paid for months while also being threatened if they dare to speak out? Are they also of weak character for not being forgiving of EK and filing lawsuits against them as well? Let's relax with the insenstive moral grandstanding, please. Until EK actually makes proper amends, I don't see people forgiving them for a while.
 
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Here is my 5 pence on the GN issue.

I criticised them during the Intel events, as I felt there was too much speculation to get clicks, taking advantage of the situation, and when they made the claims about oxidation and so forth, there was no hard evidence, just claims from people who wouldnt put their name to it. My response to that was we stick to facts, so yes I did criticise GN somewhat.

This EK video is different as there is actual data being presented, and people who spoke out publically, Steve did admit he had no proof those consultation invoices were being paid or not, so bear in mind even though those invoices exist, we dont actually know if that has been paid, although the CEO did defend the invoices to employees, indicating they probably were being paid. There was also a bit of putting the pieces together to tell a story, as always with this sort of thing everyone can interpret things how they want, decide if they think its not accurate, or too much blowing up of something just to make content, thats fine, although there is some in this thread who are acting like they are shareholders of EK or something. I am not even sure how the posters would know sales have dropped sharply the few days after the video, I expect EK dont publish that sort of information on a daily basis. This was my first thought when I read the claim the first time "how do you know their sales numbers, who are you poster".

Bear in mind uninformed consumers could end up buying a water block, then within 6 months there is no EK, so there fore no product support/warranty. In worst case some might even pay for one and never receive it at all.
 
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Seriously?

Actions speak louder than words...

Edvard is a criminal. He's acting like criminals do, doing things that criminals do. And yet there are a few people here who seem to be trying their damnedest to defend that same person while at the same time character assassinate GN for DOING THE RIGHT THING!

Hmm...
Not really serious no.

You're just repeating what the first 10 pages already says. I just dropped some information in and let the people, such as yourself, go ahead and have at it!!!
 
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Not really serious no.

You're just repeating what the first 10 pages already says. I just dropped some information in and let the people, such as yourself, go ahead and have at it!!!
You are defending a criminal. Think that over for a minute...

Probably apt here, it denotes both strength of character as well as actual position of strength!
When EK makes right what he and his cohorts did wrong, we can forgive. Not until then.

You need to take some time before you post something, really.
Take your own advice and really think before you type.
 
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Let us hope that they will in the future concentrate on providing information to consumers about the products and information to manufacturers how to improve the products, rather than making disastrous wannabe reportages (objectively grossly unethical), which can bankrupt the manufacturer and cause creditors of the company to never see their money again, and also consumers not to be ablo to buy their products again and not get warranty repairs for the products they already own.

I also hope that Mr. Burke will educate himself in economic affairs enough, so that he will understand what limited liability means and that to increase the chances for creditors getting their money back the company should be in the best shape as possible, that includes to have the highest revenue as possible.

DOING ANYTHING THAT DECREASES REVENUE OF THE COMPANY WITH PROBLEMS HURTS CREDITORS OF THE COMPANY.
The way this conversation is going at this point I'm waiting for someone to walk us though some fantastic mental gymnastics with an argument for the company to be allowed to call "hits" on those that might put their unreleased revenue in jeopardy. (this was intended to be a funny comment due to it's clear absurdity btw)
 
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Now here we go with the whataboutism deflection attempt. Mate, there's nothing wrong with criticising a smaller sized company for corruption or wrongdoing while also acknowledging that there are bigger issues somewhere. Just because bigger bad stuff is happening somewhere else does not mean that GN and the people here criticising EK are being intentionally ignorant of bigger issues, and it does not excuse EK of the corruption that has been going on there, especially with their staff not being paid for months, mistreated, and threatened if they speak out.
It's called perspective ~ try it once! How many have times Apple lied to you, Nvidia, Intel & yes AMD? What happened to them after barely a slap on the wrist? And now what happened to a relatively small shop? Maybe we should shame everyone who defends these trillion dollar money grabbers next time they open their mouths including GN ~ who's in the business of reviewing these products, lot of them free samples :rolleyes:

Like I said GN is not a neutral party nor is he using journalism here!

Right, so everyone here who is critical of EK is of weak character because they won't forgive or excuse them for their corruption and mismanagement?
They have no skin in the game, including me.
 
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To those defending EK, Why are you defending them? Is it some moral high ground thing you just cannot climb down from, is it some mental illness, what is it? there is really no reason to defend them. Maybe you have a problem with GN and are just using this EK thing as a excuse to attack them. or maybe you just have a very twisted moral compass.

If you cannot see what GN did as perfectly acceptable, if maybe a tad away from the "gamers" bit in the name GN, then you must allow any other company who exhibits the same behaviour as perfectly fine and defend them to the same extent too. So hop to it, i'm sure you can find some more companies that need your knight in shining armour defense of them out there somewhere.
 
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Why are you defending GN, are you shareholders? Does Steve send you free GN mats on Christmas eve? Does he send you free samples? Can he stop oozing sarcasm every second line he speaks, like orcs in LOTR? See how it goes both ways :toast:

When EK makes right what he and his cohorts did wrong, we can forgive. Not until then.
That's the bottom line, hopefully something good comes out of this for everyone invloved although it's probably past the point of no return for EK as a brand now.
 
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You are defending a criminal. Think that over for a minute...
No, I'm not defending a criminal. I have to defend myself from dumb ass comments like that one,

EK products are fine. I believe GN should just stick to hardware reviews, but we all know that doesn't pay well.

I believe a new CEO can be appointed to a company. The issue can be solved. You act, like GN wants you to act, as if this is some huge big deal the end of the company, the world OH NO!! Can't be repaired or fixed.

My opinion is that the people that got shafted or getting shafted should be compensated. Period. Yes I believe actions speak louder than words. I hope EK and Edvardo can make it right. They've always had decent products I believe are competitive to others. But if I'm wrong for that, please don't quote me again.
 
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Good on GN for documenting EK's shenanigans even though I don't agree with all of their opinions. But even if EK didn't do all this dodginess, their products have been nothing but terrible in the past few years. Not just price/performance which is frankly atrocious but even quality has gone down the drain.

And yes, i've used most of their competitors products as well and you basically get a higher quality product for less price.

Choices can always be a good thing but I don't think i'll really miss EK tbh if they're gone (other than their satin titanium fittings I suppose..)
 
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