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Even with all the hate towards the 4080 pricing, we've gotta admit it's a historic product, coming after another historic one

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Thought this was interesting, 4080 (as of now) is the #1 seller on newegg.

I'm sure that will change soon though.

Best Selling GPUs / Video Graphics Cards | Newegg.com

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In countries like USA with big salaries and small state taxes $1200+7-15% tax is mainstream price.
Far from it. I live in one of those US states with low taxes. $1200 is a ludicrously priced there too.
 
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I believe the 3080 will forever be remembered as the card that got 4K mainstream, and the 4080 will forever be remembered as the card that got ray tracing mainstream.
What do you guys think?
A $1200 graphics card is not mainstream.
Aside from that, the 4080 is still not good enough at Ray Tracing for it to be a feature that you always "just enable" in every game. Arguably the RTX 4090 isn't either, though it's definitely close. I don't think ray tracing will be mainstream until next generation, when the actual mainstream graphics cards should be good enough for it to be worth using ray tracing in the ovewhelming majority of games that support it.
 
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In countries like USA with big salaries and small state taxes $1200+7-15% tax is mainstream price.
Ask yourself one question.

Did more 3070 get sold then 3060 or did more 3080 or 3090 get sold because I think you would find the masses, IE mainstream are not paying 1000$ plus Just for a GPU.

Enthusiasts are not mainstream.

They're a niche.

And give your head a wobble it's not thinking straight.

I'm already forgetting the 4080 as irrelevant.
 
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I believe the 3080 will forever be remembered as the card that got 4K mainstream, and the 4080 will forever be remembered as the card that got ray tracing mainstream.
What do you guys think?

I think you have a really subjective definition/view of the term "mainstream..." or you're simply trolling.

Even tho, this days there's probably more people than ever whom are whiling to spend money on "High End" products... that's not to say High End = Mainstream (the norm - the most conventional choice). Would be nice tho - even an Utopia for PC enthusiasts (3080 and 4080 to be the norm - the most bought GPU by the majority), but the reality is quite far from that... even a sad reality.

As in, the nVidia marketing team - realized that 4090 would sell even at an obscene price (a guts feeling from the pandemic). Worst case scenario - if they struggled with sales - they'd just lower the prices. Yet, to their surprise (maybe even shock) - not only that didn't happen (barely sold any cards) - many resellers went out of stock (all gone - even reserved/prepurchased). And thus, that obscene price became the new standard - which in turn - impacted the upcoming 4080 and is sure to impact even future generations (unless AMD or Intel - manage to release better products sold for far less - compelling nVidia to do the same). The thing is... at first, the obscene boost of GPU prices was determined by the pandemic - "the chip shortage" to be more exact. And while/when that changed (when GPU chips became widly available again) - the lowering of GPU prices was to be expected. Which, did happen to a large extent - but the greed factor remained (while noticing that cards were still selling at such obscene prices - during pandemic) - and thus, were aiming to capitalize on that - with their High End (Expensive) & High End+ (overly expensive) products.

That being said... even if the pandemic didn't happen - even if 3080 and 4080 were still sold at similar price with GTX 1080 (600$ - 700$ or around 800$ - while taking the inflation into account) - this cards would still be deemed as High End (to expensive - for the mainstream class). Tho, above events did happen and thus... RTX 4080 are sold at close to 2x (cheapest) and up-to 3x the price of a GTX 1080. As mentioned in the parenthesis - there's also a 20% inflation between 2016 and 2022. But that's still far from enough - to explain this madness. And that's just it... while spending 700$ on a Video Card back in 2016 - the mainstream class would raise their eyebrows at you, so... it kinda made sens to keep the purchase of a 4090/4080 a secret (same way/reason one would keep their earnings a secret). Yet, we don't live in a world with common sense - so many of those who afforded this penis enlargements - couldn't help but share it on social media platforms. After all - buying a RTX 4090 at that price or even RTX 4080 - is rarely about the practical side (what it can actually do for you - in terms of performance) - and more about the bragging aspect (look how many points i get in this bench tool - look how many FPS i get in this game i'll never actually play let alone finish).

If instead, you'd be talking about 3050 (even 3050 Ti) - then yes, that would make some sense in Mainstream terms. Even 3060 and 3060 TI - could be deemed mainstream "to some extent (among hardcore gamers or functional programmers)" - but far from the public at large. For this reason even 2K is not mainstream - let alone ray tracing. So hey, congrats on le trolling (i think you were well aware - that 4080 is a trigger term in 2022 :wtf:).
 
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Far from it. I live in one of those US states with low taxes. $1200 is a ludicrously priced there too.
Hmm? Remind me! Wasn't there multiple handouts by the government during the severe periods of the covid-19 pandemic at free $1,200 per person. These are decent amounts of money that can change the shopping habits of people below the middle class as well.
 
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Did anyone noticed? It is another anti consumer post which praise some overpriced gpu. Not impressed on this anti consumer website. Rtx 4080 mainstream?! :banghead: where I live 4080 is 1500$ with tax. :)
 
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The 4080 is suffering the same problem as the 7900XT. They expect you to pay too much for a card that is not as good as the best for a price premium. Doubly for the 4080 is the fact that the 7900XTX IS that fast making it not a common sense purchase to buy Nvidia cut down for more or the same even.
 
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Let's flip this around a bit. What is a mainstream gpu performance? I would argue it is the most common dedicated gpu. Steam's hardware census indicates that the 1060 would be the definitive mainstream gpu.

Following this standard, RT will not be mainstream until the lower end x60 equivalent card has adequate RT performance. If we assume that the 4080 has adequate RT performance, and the "mainstream" 1060 is about 3 generations behind, then RT will not be mainstream until a 4080 equivalent RT performance can be found in an x60 gpu price point. If we assume the RTX 5060 has near 4080 rt performance, which might be too generous, then Rt would be mainstream by approximately 2028 when the RTX 5060 is the most common dedicated gpu.

Dude, you are claiming RT is mainstream 5-6 years EARLY!
 
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Let's flip this around a bit. What is a mainstream gpu performance? I would argue it is the most common dedicated gpu. Steam's hardware census indicates that the 1060 would be the definitive mainstream gpu by this definition.
That's one way to look at it.

Another way would be to say that the mainstream is something that runs modern games at the most common resolution with medium-high graphics at acceptable frame rates (which varies game by game, but never mind). That's around 1060-3060 level performance these days.

A third way would be whatever most gamers have money for, which varies by region. It's the 1060 in some places, but something like a Radeon 290 from Fleabay in others.
 

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You can 4K game on a PS5. None of these cards are memorable.
 
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This thread is making me laugh so hard. I mean to be fair it is a historic product, they pushed mainstream GPU's into the $1200 dollar category so I guess that's something. We already went through a thread similar about the 4080 being hated/loved so I think this is very redundant.

The RTX 4080 is a terrible price to performance, so is the RX 7900 XTX but at least its cheaper and has better overall performance (Not a huge amount better but it is better) except in the category of Ray Tracing. Neither card is some historic win, its at this point just another generation of expensive disappointing cards at a price point that is high for most users. The reality is if all you care about is Ray Tracing then pay the extra and get the 4080, but most people don't care that much about ray tracing because of the huge performance hit the games take making some almost unplayable (Or at least sub 60 FPS).

@Psychoholic , to be fair, I think thats mostly because of the scalpers more than anything.
 
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But but but Jensen said Moores law is dead and the more u buy the more you save . How’s $1500 not mainstream ? Lmao /jk
Jensen also pulled the 3080 out of his oven. I just checked, there's no 3080 in mine. Something's fishy here. :wtf: /jk
 
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Нека да обърнем това малко. Какво е основна производителност на gpu? Бих казал, че това е най-често срещаният специализиран графичен процесор. Преброяването на хардуера на Steam показва, че 1060 би бил окончателният мейнстрийм графичен процесор според това определение.

Следвайки този стандарт, RT няма да бъде масов, докато еквивалентната карта от долния край на x60 няма адекватна RT производителност. Ако приемем, че 4080 има адекватна RT производителност и "масовият" 1060 е с около 3 поколения назад, тогава RT няма да бъде масов, докато 4080 еквивалентна RT производителност не може да се намери в ценова точка x60 gpu. Ако приемем, че RTX 5060 има производителност близо до 4080 rt, което може да е твърде щедро, тогава Rt ще бъде масов до около 2028 г., когато RTX 5060 е най-често срещаният специализиран графичен процесор.

Пич, ти твърдиш, че RT е мейнстрийм 5-6 години ПО-РАНО!
There is a coincidence in years with my bet that 2028-2030 we will all be happy players of RT games... But there are too many "ifs" in the comment. Let's assume that the possibility that this rtx 5060 in 2025 when it comes out with 24GB GDDR7 VRAM connected via only 48 bit bus on a cheap PCB that costs under $5 will be priced at $1499 because many reasons include inflation, poor supply of materials and parts, also more increased greed of Nvidia/AMD to satisfy their shareholders, or the invention of a new kind of scam other than crypto-"coins", but which will also involve whole farms of graphics cards to spin something calculations... Yes, as I wrote : too many "ifs"!
 
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I believe the 3080 will forever be remembered as the card that got 4K mainstream, and the 4080 will forever be remembered as the card that got ray tracing mainstream.
What do you guys think?

If you consider 2.5% of gamers gaming on 4K is mainstream. I think the 4080 will forever be remembered as the GPU that was seriously overpriced.
 
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1080 Ti is the memorable one. 20 series buyers got flat-out ripped off, if the 3080 had been available at its MSRP at launch it would have at the very least been given an honorable mention, but at $400+ more the 4080 is just a middle finger.
 
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Nope, 4070Ti replaces 3080Ti at the same performance and lower price point below 1K Usd. That is the mainstream king that actually makes RT more affordable.

If by mainstream you mean that 4080 brings 33% better better performance at the same price as 3080Ti that was already there a very long time ago that implies that both 3080 and 3080 Ti are not mainstream or not good enough to qualify and even run ray tracing and also that 3080 Ti can also be considered mainstream at 1199 USD. This is preposterous and conflicts with logic all over the place. And keep silly bald men the f away from me.
 
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