Even with all the hate towards the 4080 pricing, we've gotta admit it's a historic product, coming after another historic one

[Dirt Chip]

What do you guys think?

I think the title is good, but could have been better and even more enticing.
It can be more general- replace '4080' with 'NV'- and add a sense of worship toward them such as 'the devine NV'. After all they allow us, in their grace, the god-gift of playable ray-tracing and max 4k gaming.

Also, such topic come at a much needed time as the opportunity to discuss how awesome NV is is so very scarce. So thank you for that

P.s.
As I'm in favor fo sarcasm, I'm happy with such threads so we can all take it together to the next level and better our escape from day-to-day troubles by discussing such fine observant notions.

Bravo!

 

[Ruru]

It will be indeed a historic one. Not even the flagship and pricing starts at 1500EUR.

 

[Vayra86]

Stopped reading there. So then, you don't like 3080 and 4080 fot being on low limited size of ram, but when 970 had 3.5GB fast ram and last 0.5GB slow ram and when card started to use the slow ram then the performance dropped by around 30% .

So I'm confused on your statements.

3080 was DOA because of not having the real msrp and same goes for 4080. Currently lowest 4080 goes for 1.4k euro where I live. No thank you nvidia :}.

See, don't stop reading then, it might help comprehension, as it wasn't hard to grasp. Its funny too your last line in that post mentions MSRP, precisely as I did

Maybe you should include the actual sale price of a 970 in the story, as I did mention - the primary point of my post was that price makes product. Despite its memory, the 970 was a massive leap in perf/$, which truly enabled the mainstream to step into full blown 1080p gaming proper. The problems arose when these cards where placed in SLI or were pushing high VRAM-specific situations; but 95% of use cases never went there.

A similar thing could have applied to the 3080 10GB, too bad it wasn't available at and now under its MSRP. Even today I can't find it at that price. It looked disruptive on launch, and that never materialized. But... even at MSRP, the 3080 is twice as expensive as the 970, and more expensive than a 1080, and about equal to what the 1080ti was; while the latter two were not VRAM constrained.

I also never said I didn't like the 4080 for low VRAM. So really, do read posts you quote.

This is a good point. I've worked on a decent amount of eCommerce sites and often best sellers can be tailored to factor in just one thing (like total revenue or unit sales) or multiple based on weights. The exact combination will vary based on industry but for an electronics retailer it's typically weighted 1.0 for total revenue and 0.3 for total units sold. If you put too much weight on total units sold then small accessories and low margin products would dominate the best sellers list.

Almost certainly in the case of newegg those cards are up near the top because they are the top revenue earners and not because they move the most units.

The weights are whatever the store wants to sell.

There is a handbook full of these 'rules' and design/marketing principles for ecommerce; most of which also apply to the real world. Digital stores use them ALL. It ranges from the size, placement and color of buy buttons, to wording of advertisements, the abuse of peer pressure (these #1 seller lists are the perfect example: you're made to think 'everyone is buying these' so, why aren't you?), etc etc etc.

Don't put too much faith in there being a system you can reasonably understand based on 'revenue' or whatever. That's giving the whole thing too much credit - there is NO logic behind it except profit considerations.

 

[TITAN RTX 4100]

I agree. A 5% reduction in price is not nearly enough.

The 4080 should be $800 tops and even that is high. What amazes me is the people who try to justify the price of the $1,200 4080 by comparing it to the $1,200 2080 Ti and don't realize that those 2 GPUs were in completely different tiers. The 2080 Ti was the High End Turing Flagship and the 4080 is obviously not the High End Ada Flagship which is evident by the 4090. All that is necessary is to compare the specs of the 4080 to the specs of the 4090 to see that the 4080 is really just an upper midrange Ada GPU.

RTX 2080 Ti is basically a 2090. The 4080 needs to have better specs along with a better price, and it doesn't need a triple slot brick, and even needs 20GB of vram. The 4080 is the worst of the 80 class, and I'm not gonna care about it ever. RTX 4090 and 4080 are more different than I thought. With the 4080 at $1199, it makes the 4090 look like a perfect value, when it is $1599+, which is a very high price. In fact, I wanna get a 4090 very soon so I can get a high refresh rate 4k monitor. And I'm hoping 2 displayport 1.4 connectors can give me 240Hz 4K, But even though I'm not monitor savvy, I know that it probably doesn't work that way. My decision of getting a 4090 Allows me to have the best of the best, but I don't think I'll be able to afford $2000+ since it's impossible to get one at msrp. I hope that these 4080 rot on shelves until the boxes self-crumble themselves.

 

[Dirt Chip]

The 970GTX pop in here, and as an owner of such on my main rig, plus the recent coming-to-an-end Mondial with Messi elevated to god level and arguably skipping Maradona, and me actually watching his legendary play- I want to appose both.
970 is the mighty Maradona, with it's 3.5GB dirty trick\ hand or god goal.

Messi and 3080\40 are but a pale reminder of the good old times, where true shanannigans was the thing, not just 'unreal msrp' and somewhat mediacur amount of (all full speed) gddr.

Here is another one for free: Pele as 8800GT.

And now off I go with my bizarre analogies.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

I believe the 3080 will forever be remembered as the card that got 4K mainstream, and the 4080 will forever be remembered as the card that got ray tracing mainstream.
What do you guys think?

I think the 4080 will be remembered as the card that either made people wait for a 4070 instead, or step up to a 4090. Even more so because they dropped the cheaper 12GB version. I mean it seems obvious a big part of why so many 4090s sold is the news that you had to pay $1200 for a 4080. I know some are going to say, but $400 more is quite a leap, however when you look at the performance difference, it makes sense if you can afford it.

Another thing is, the 4080s are not as small as I'd hoped, especially the aftermarket ones with decent coolers like the ASUS TUF. When I realized it's 13.7" length would cause me to need a new case, I figured, what the hell, I may as well build a whole new rig.

Lastly, while the 3080 yes, DID pretty much establish a viable card to play at 4K 60 FPS, the 3090, or better yet 3090 Ti, was the one that was able to do it with pretty much all games. The 4090 however, can play a lot of games at 4K 120 FPS, so it fits better with true future readiness.