Even with all the hate towards the 4080 pricing, we've gotta admit it's a historic product, coming after another historic one

[Deleted member 57642]

Let's flip this around a bit. What is a mainstream gpu performance? I would argue it is the most common dedicated gpu. Steam's hardware census indicates that the 1060 would be the definitive mainstream gpu.

Following this standard, RT will not be mainstream until the lower end x60 equivalent card has adequate RT performance. If we assume that the 4080 has adequate RT performance, and the "mainstream" 1060 is about 3 generations behind, then RT will not be mainstream until a 4080 equivalent RT performance can be found in an x60 gpu price point. If we assume the RTX 5060 has near 4080 rt performance, which might be too generous, then Rt would be mainstream by approximately 2028 when the RTX 5060 is the most common dedicated gpu.

Dude, you are claiming RT is mainstream 5-6 years EARLY!

Things might change in the future - but for now GTX 1k is still the best line/generation of GPUs (most impactful on release and actually capable in the long run). Almost 7 year latter and they're still a solid option both for mainstream users and beyond. I mean, this are the retail options for a brand new graphics card at lowest budget:

Yet, in same price range - you have the following options 2nd hand:

That's like 3x -> 5x the GPU performance, if not more?! That being said - GTX 1060 deemed as a mainstream GPU for Steam - actually makes a lot of sense. Most Steam gamers - don't need/want more than a monitor capable of 1080p.

 

[Bomby569]

historic indeed, historically expensive

 

[Nordic]

Things might change in the future - but for now GTX 1k is still the best line/generation of GPUs (most impactful on release and actually capable in the long run). Almost 7 year latter and they're still a solid option both for mainstream users and beyond. I mean, this are the retail options for a brand new graphics card at lowest budget:

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Yet, in same price range - you have the following options 2nd hand:

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That's like 3x -> 5x the GPU performance, if not more?! That being said - GTX 1060 deemed as a mainstream GPU for Steam - actually makes a lot of sense. Most Steam gamers - don't need/want more than a monitor capable of 1080p.

I recently upgraded from a 1060 3gb to an AMD 6750XT. I upgraded reluctantly. I mostly play heavily discounted steam games at 1080p. My 1060 was still overkill for all but one game I play. I will probably keep my 6750xt for many years.

Unless you are in the small but growing minority who play at 4k or love barely tolerable RT performance, then you don't need much more than a 1060.

 

[AusWolf]

Unless you are in the small but growing minority who play at 4k or love barely tolerable RT performance, then you don't need much more than a 1060.

As another 6750 XT and ex-1060 owner, I completely agree. I admit that the reason for most of my upgrades is curiosity, not actual need.

 

[eidairaman1]

If you consider 2.5% of gamers gaming on 4K is mainstream. I think the 4080 will forever be remembered as the GPU that was seriously overpriced.

Most are still on 1080p or less or 1440.

 

[Ayhamb99]

Ray tracing mainstream? Nice joke.

It will become mainstream when the cards are able to run RT games properly with proper frames and not having to rely on AI upscaling stuff like DLSS/FSR so that the game becomes playable. When a 15 year old game like portal where the FPS drops all the way from the 500-700 range to the low 50s-60s if you turn on RTX even at 1080p with the highest tier GPUs, that means it will still take years before RT becomes mainstream.

The 4080 will be remembered as an example of how Nvidia has lost their minds in releasing overpriced stuff, just like the 2080 Ti. What gamers nexus said during his review of the 4080 has applied to every single GPU release for the last 2 decades. "For every one percent performance improvement, if you also spend one percent more money, that ruins the part when it's cool. It's no longer cool. It doesn't actually produce a meaningful step for consumers, where they feel like the industry or the amount that they get for their money is increasing."

 

[sepheronx]

You can 4K game on a PS5. None of these cards are memorable.

*at 4 K* doesn't mean it is at 4K. PS5 and xbox requires upscaling to work at 4K. There are very few games that does 4K, 120 and those titles are running at low anyway. Or at least what is presumed to be by DF. I mean, you could do similar with rtx 3060 and I imagine the 3060 is roughly what a PS5 and Xbox series X can do.

But yes, with the prices of these new cards, nothing memorable at all. Or at least anything good.

 

[TITAN RTX 4100]

the 4080 will only be remembered for it's $1200 price and awful 12GB version. The 3080 will be remembered as the $699 ultra 4k performance gpu. I have a 3080 right now actually. The 3080 will continue to be a gpu for 4k tasks, even with just 10GB of vram. No one cares about the 4080, and no one will unless nvidia drops the price. I hope nvidia drops the price, because I want to see the 4080 at $699 so I can buy it, but that's not gonna ever happen. I had my 4080 expectations: 12288 cuda cores, 20GB GDDR6X, 320 bit, $699 or $799 price. But nope, that never happened.

 

[64K]

the 4080 will only be remembered for it's $1200 price and awful 12GB version. The 3080 will be remembered as the $699 ultra 4k performance gpu. I have a 3080 right now actually. The 3080 will continue to be a gpu for 4k tasks, even with just 10GB of vram. No one cares about the 4080, and no one will unless nvidia drops the price. I hope nvidia drops the price, because I want to see the 4080 at $699 so I can buy it, but that's not gonna ever happen. I had my 4080 expectations: 12288 cuda cores, 20GB GDDR6X, 320 bit, $699 or $799 price. But nope, that never happened.

Nvidia dropped the MSRP of the 4080 and 4090 by 5% in Europe but I'm not sure if they dropped the MSRP by 5% elsewhere but even then the MSRPs are still ridiculously high.

 

[Psychoholic]

From TPU's own review, we can see the 4080 is actually cheaper per frame than the 4090:

4090 - 12.0 USD Per Frame (at $2400)
4090 - 8.0 USD Per frame (at $1600)
4080 - 6.8 USD Per frame (at $1200)

4090 @ MSRP wasnt included for some reason, maybe because its hard to find it at that.
I did the math and added it in myself.

7900XTX has both beat in Price to performance though.
Not saying the 4080 (and 4090 for that matter) aren't over priced, they definitely are its just strange to see all the hate, kind of entertaining actually.

I remember paying $650 for my 8800 GTX back in the day, that's gotta be getting close to 4080 pricing when you count for inflation 2006/2007 to now.

 

[terroralpha]

From TPU's own review, we can see the 4080 is actually cheaper per frame than the 4090:

4090 - 12.0 USD Per Frame (at $2400)
4090 - 8.0 USD Per frame (at $1600)
4080 - 6.8 USD Per frame (at $1200)

4090 @ MSRP wasnt included for some reason, maybe because its hard to find it at that.
I did the math and added it in myself.

7900XTX has both beat in Price to performance though.
Not saying the 4080 (and 4090 for that matter) aren't over priced, they definitely are its just strange to see all the hate, kind of entertaining actually.

I remember paying $650 for my 8800 GTX back in the day, that's gotta be getting close to 4080 pricing when you count for inflation 2006/2007 to now.

people always need something to hate. my personal motto is if you don't like it, don't buy it.

Most are still on 1080p or less or 1440.

that is true, but some of us do have an actual use for the higher end cards

 

[TumbleGeorge]

4090 - 8,0 USD на кадър (при $1600)
4080 - 6,8 USD на кадър (при $1200)

Мust have methodological or different kind of error in calculations? Maybe wrong game or pack of games or setting or limitation from CPU for 4090s fps that inject wrong parameter?

 

[Psychoholic]

Мust have methodological or different kind of error in calculations? Maybe wrong game or pack of games or setting or limitation from CPU for 4090s fps that inject wrong parameter?

I doubt its an error, it just gets ignored for some reason.
HUB/Techspot review shows the same thing.

Cost per frame (13 game average 1440P)

Costt per frame (13 game average 4K)

 

[TumbleGeorge]

I doubt its an error, it just gets ignored for some reason.
HUB/Techspot review shows the same thing.

Cost per frame (13 game average 1440P)
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Costt per frame (13 game average 4K)
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Hmm at 4K cost per frame is almost equal. 1440P is more CPU related than 4K. Will be interesting comparison at 8K...My conclusion in lower resolutions 4090 results is too limited by CPU. That make calculations partially incorrect.

 

[Vario]

Things might change in the future - but for now GTX 1k is still the best line/generation of GPUs (most impactful on release and actually capable in the long run). Almost 7 year latter and they're still a solid option both for mainstream users and beyond. I mean, this are the retail options for a brand new graphics card at lowest budget:

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Yet, in same price range - you have the following options 2nd hand:

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That's like 3x -> 5x the GPU performance, if not more?! That being said - GTX 1060 deemed as a mainstream GPU for Steam - actually makes a lot of sense. Most Steam gamers - don't need/want more than a monitor capable of 1080p.

1060 was the last affordable GPU before 4 years of cryptobullshit + COVID, and thats why it is so prominent on Steam.

 

[evernessince]

Based on? Sales over X time? Total sales? Or perhaps what the store loves to sell most?

Come on, dont be a sheep... this is standard marketing fare

This is a good point. I've worked on a decent amount of eCommerce sites and often best sellers can be tailored to factor in just one thing (like total revenue or unit sales) or multiple based on weights. The exact combination will vary based on industry but for an electronics retailer it's typically weighted 1.0 for total revenue and 0.3 for total units sold. If you put too much weight on total units sold then small accessories and low margin products would dominate the best sellers list.

Almost certainly in the case of newegg those cards are up near the top because they are the top revenue earners and not because they move the most units.

 

[kilo]

I remember paying $650 for my 8800 GTX back in the day, that's gotta be getting close to 4080 pricing when you count for inflation 2006/2007 to now.

Looks like $950 USD range according to BLS's official numbers.

 

[Psychoholic]

Looks like $950 USD range according to BLS's official numbers.

Ahh, i was a little off.. 650 was alot for me back then, i think my income was about 1/5 what it is now.

 

[ixi]

The 970, that thing is 'remembered' favorably.
/thread

Stopped reading there. So then, you don't like 3080 and 4080 fot being on low limited size of ram, but when 970 had 3.5GB fast ram and last 0.5GB slow ram and when card started to use the slow ram then the performance dropped by around 30% .

So I'm confused on your statements.

3080 was DOA because of not having the real msrp and same goes for 4080. Currently lowest 4080 goes for 1.4k euro where I live. No thank you nvidia :}.

 

[R-T-B]

Hmm? Remind me! Wasn't there multiple handouts by the government during the severe periods of the covid-19 pandemic at free $1,200 per person. These are decent amounts of money that can change the shopping habits of people below the middle class as well.

Only two. Most people spent those to survive lockdown.

 

[Psychoholic]

Hmm? Remind me! Wasn't there multiple handouts by the government during the severe periods of the covid-19 pandemic at free $1,200 per person. These are decent amounts of money that can change the shopping habits of people below the middle class as well.

Yeah, not everyone got them of course, I didn't receive either one.

 

[TITAN RTX 4100]

Nvidia dropped the MSRP of the 4080 and 4090 by 5% in Europe but I'm not sure if they dropped the MSRP by 5% elsewhere but even then the MSRPs are still ridiculously high.

Yeah, that is what they did, but that is not enough. 5% is barely a decrease at all. If they would drop it to $999 USD in the US, and 999 euros in Europe or less, then some more people would buy it, but that won't help enough either, because it's still expensive. $799 would be totally fine with me. But none of that will happen at all, unless everyone starts coming to nvidias headquarters and protest. Then nvidia will have to do something.

 

[Palladium]

Lmao, what's the % of gamers who actually care about 4K AND RT?

All I'm hearing is more excuses for the industry to dump even more unoptimized disasters down our our throats, and that's before western AAA games becoming a trainwreck.

 

[64K]

Yeah, that is what they did, but that is not enough. 5% is barely a decrease at all. If they would drop it to $999 USD in the US, and 999 euros in Europe or less, then some more people would buy it, but that won't help enough either, because it's still expensive. $799 would be totally fine with me. But none of that will happen at all, unless everyone starts coming to nvidias headquarters and protest. Then nvidia will have to do something.

I agree. A 5% reduction in price is not nearly enough.

The 4080 should be $800 tops and even that is high. What amazes me is the people who try to justify the price of the $1,200 4080 by comparing it to the $1,200 2080 Ti and don't realize that those 2 GPUs were in completely different tiers. The 2080 Ti was the High End Turing Flagship and the 4080 is obviously not the High End Ada Flagship which is evident by the 4090. All that is necessary is to compare the specs of the 4080 to the specs of the 4090 to see that the 4080 is really just an upper midrange Ada GPU.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Specs

NVIDIA AD103, 2505 MHz, 9728 Cores, 304 TMUs, 112 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6X, 1400 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Specs

NVIDIA AD102, 2520 MHz, 16384 Cores, 512 TMUs, 176 ROPs, 24576 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 384 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Ultra Taco]

I'm surprised to see NVIDIA shills on TPU. Seriously.

Celebrating an x80 class card (whatever its performance is) at $1200 is pure insanity. Over 95% of gamers will never afford one.

My whole PC (with a 144Hz 1440p IPS monitor) costs less than that.

Preach.