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Furmark+IntelBurnTest (simultaneously) fail (always furmark crash)

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Vayra86 said:
Ah right, so now we're only stress testing our cards at stock and with all limits in place. Cool story. Let's leave it at that.
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Limits and protections are not easy to remove. Power limit is hard limit for GPUs. Nvidia has an additional hard voltage limit. Cards will not get over these unless you seriously tamper with them. And by that I mean deliberate registry/BIOS switching/hacking or hardware mods. Protections, especially for overtemperature remain and cannot be disabled. This has been the case for a decade or more. You have to try real hard to kill your hardware. Running Furmark will not do it.
 
londiste said:
Limits and protections are not easy to remove. Power limit is hard limit for GPUs. Nvidia has an additional hard voltage limit. Cards will not get over these unless you seriously tamper with them. And by that I mean deliberate registry/BIOS switching/hacking or hardware mods. Protections, especially for overtemperature remain and cannot be disabled. This has been the case for a decade or more. You have to try real hard to kill your hardware. Running Furmark will not do it.
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The very moment you click past a warning box that contains a disclaimer is the moment you potentially void your warranty, and that is all there is to that. You can be all stubborn about it not being so but that really doesn't matter. We know how things work when money is involved, manufacturers will use every last straw to deny a claim and this is quite an easy one.

Determine the cause of hardware failure... was it that ESD because you didn't wear a bracelet when installing the card, was it Furmark, was it the cat. Most failures happen over longer periods of time and Furmark may very well make that time shorter. Do cards insta-burn away when you run it? Of course not and nobody is telling anybody that. Does it have the potential to shorten the lifespan of your card? Absolutely. And the question is: for what, because you're not getting useful info out of running it, compared to other testing.
 
Why are you so incredibly focused on that checkbox?
A lot of restrictions on warranties are smoke and mirrors. They cannot determine why it died. That is why the limits are getting harder and harder.
There is always points they can try to cower behind but that is the nature of business.

I mean continuing your train of thought gaming will probably make GPU lifetime shorter as well because it puts heavy load on it. Maybe we should not game on our GPUs?

Vayra86 said:
And the question is: for what, because you're not getting useful info out of running it, compared to other testing.
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What do you mean not getting useful into out of running it? You can see if your system and especially PSU can feed the card properly. You can see if the cooler on the card can cool it (or components of it) down. You can see if the entire computer (usually in a case) can cool itself down.

What would you say is useful information to gather from running a stress test?
 
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londiste said:
What would you say is useful information to gather from running a stress test?
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If you want to go in circles all day, be my guest, but please, just stop asking the same questions and read back instead. We're at 1,5 page now of rhetorical questions and obvious answers. So I'm just going to quote relevant posts instead.

londiste said:
Different phrasing, same point. I can rephrase - Furmark works well for verifying the requirements for stability.
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No it does not, because you're not seeing the clocks you would see in-game. So you may not hit a power or temperature wall, but you can still be completely unstable in-game. These metrics are related, removing one from the equation eliminates the purpose of testing it.

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Its all very simple to me.
- You don't gain more/better/accurate information from the use of Furmark, compared to any other test application.
- There is a risk involved that other applications do not present.
- It can create confusion as to what the actual behaviour of your GPU is/is supposed to be.

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Furmark will not kill your hardware unless you have done something very stupid in terms of limits (which is not easy to do).
 
This conversation looks like it will go round in circles forever.

Look, furmark is great for testing thermals, but as has been explained clearly by many members, many times, with examples and screenshots given... it is not good as a stability test due to running at lower clocks and voltages than you'd see in real world situations. It's entirely possible to be unstable under light load, high clocks and crash in games while furmark might lead you to believe your gpu is 100% stable (possibly leading to you question the stability of the rest of the system).
Double check cpu/memory with linpack extreme/prime95/memtest86+/memtest64, play games with gpu at stock for a while to confirm stability of the rest of the system before pushing the GPU OC. Adjust GPU clocks/volts in the games/benchmarks you like until it doesn't crash, that's about as real world as it gets.
 
infrared said:
Look, furmark is great for testing thermals, but as has been explained clearly by many members, many times, with examples and screenshots given... it is not good as a stability test due to running at lower clocks and voltages than you'd see in real world situations. It's entirely possible to be unstable under light load, high clocks and crash in games while furmark might lead you to believe your gpu is 100% stable (possibly leading to you question the stability of the rest of the system).
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Isn't the problem in the beginning of this thread exactly the opposite, making Furmark the appropriate stress test here? Nvidia display driver crashes when Furmark is running together with IBT. Clocks and voltages are (supposedly) low as they should be with Furmark. Also, he stated Furmark by itself worked fine for couple hours.

This seems to indicate the problem is not with the GPU (or CPU) but either an (possibly compatibility) issue somewhere around motherboard/controllers or more likely power/temperatures as loading both GPU and CPU in full swing will inevitably be very stressful to the PSU and rest of the system.
 
londiste said:
Isn't the problem in the beginning of this thread exactly the opposite, making Furmark the appropriate stress test here? Nvidia display driver crashes when Furmark is running together with IBT. Clocks and voltages are (supposedly) low as they should be with Furmark. Also, he stated Furmark by itself worked fine for couple hours.

This seems to indicate the problem is not with the GPU (or CPU) but either an (possibly compatibility) issue somewhere around motherboard/controllers or more likely power/temperatures as loading both GPU and CPU in full swing will inevitably be very stressful to the PSU and rest of the system.
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It's either a CPU/RAM/Mem controller issue (unless he can also run IBT indefinitely on it's own), or it's PSU related, which is probably unlikely given he has a HX850. It might be a good idea for BenchandGames to save his oc profile and go back to stock settings for a moment to see if it stops crashing the driver under combined load.
 
I already said about 100 posts back, that I was going to return the graphic card, and buy a new one. But I did not want to get in the way of the conversation, because they put a lot of effort into it.

@infrared It fail at stock, just take like 20 minutes to fail, but it does also, with some OC on CPU and RAM at 2133 or 2400 it fail in 5 minutes.
 
Yes running IBT or furmark solo, no problems. I had crash when running togheter, but anyway its not only that, all this was coming from a nvidia driver crash on idle, + lose singnal of my monitor, all this was on idle on chrome exactly, so from this I started to test to try find why I lose signal of my video card. Just after 3-4 days of installing the new RTX 2060, and I remember few years ago, also when I intalled a new video card, (GTX 970) had exactly same problem, monitor go on blank or green, pc freeze, sound freeze idle or load, so I replace that 970 card for a new one, and with the new one 0 problems.
So I want to avoid those problems, and thats why I returt this new card, and I will buy a new one.
 
infrared said:
This conversation looks like it will go round in circles forever.

Look, furmark is great for testing thermals, but as has been explained clearly by many members, many times, with examples and screenshots given... it is not good as a stability test due to running at lower clocks and voltages than you'd see in real world situations. It's entirely possible to be unstable under light load, high clocks and crash in games while furmark might lead you to believe your gpu is 100% stable (possibly leading to you question the stability of the rest of the system).
Double check cpu/memory with linpack extreme/prime95/memtest86+/memtest64, play games with gpu at stock for a while to confirm stability of the rest of the system before pushing the GPU OC. Adjust GPU clocks/volts in the games/benchmarks you like until it doesn't crash, that's about as real world as it gets.
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I say lock this thread down @infrared

Award goes to @BenchAndGames
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BenchAndGames said:
Yes running IBT or furmark solo, no problems. I had crash when running togheter, but anyway its not only that, all this was coming from a nvidia driver crash on idle, + lose singnal of my monitor, all this was on idle on chrome exactly, so from this I started to test to try find why I lose signal of my video card. Just after 3-4 days of installing the new RTX 2060, and I remember few years ago, also when I intalled a new video card, (GTX 970) had exactly same problem, monitor go on blank or green, pc freeze, sound freeze idle or load, so I replace that 970 card for a new one, and with the new one 0 problems.
So I want to avoid those problems, and thats why I returt this new card, and I will buy a new one.
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Running Linpack + FurMark simultaneously require increased value of TdrDelay to prevent display driver timeout.
 
I had already set to 8 value when I was running those
 
Try those values:

TdrLevel 0
TdrDelay 60 (decimal)
TdrDdiDelay 60 (decimal)

Also make sure to use the latest Nvidia driver and close any GPU monitoring apps like MSI Afterburner.

RTX 2060 was launched more then a month ago, this can be a bug in the driver or VGA BIOS.
 
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Vayra86 said:
It is not, yet is checked by many users because 'balls to the wall' overclocking. Then users stress test their OC (with Furmark). If the card then fails, your warranty claim will not be quite as straightforward as you might think.
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Having it checked means you can adjust voltages manually with Afterburner. It means 100% abso-posi-lutely nothing else. Including having anything to do with Furmark. And no, Furmark has no way of circumventing power limits or affecting operating voltages...period. You're extremely naive to think so. Not only all that. Nvidia, or anybody else for that matter, would have no way of knowing if Furmark had been run or not...even if it did all that BS you think it does.
Vayra86 said:
The very moment you click past a warning box that contains a disclaimer is the moment you potentially void your warranty, and that is all there is to that.
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Except that it isn't all there is to that. As, just like not being able to know whether or not you ran Furmark, there's no way to prove you checked that box either. Your warranty is unaffected. Unless they are spying on you(which would be illegal in most instances), or you are stupid enough to admit it when asked. Even then, you would still have a strong case that you did nothing wrong. If they didn't want you to be able to adjust the voltage they can implement a voltage lock in the BIOS that prevents it from happening(even with the box checked). Which is what they have done with many cards. Setting a precedence for it being what they should have done, if they didn't want you to be able to do it. And giving them no real right to deny your warranty for having done so.
 
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Regeneration said:
Try those values:

TdrLevel 0
TdrDelay 60 (decimal)
TdrDdiDelay 60 (decimal)

Also make sure to use the latest Nvidia driver and close any GPU monitoring apps like MSI Afterburner.

RTX 2060 was launched more then a month ago, this can be a bug in the driver or VGA BIOS.
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The thing is I will not pay 370€ for something that I need to change and tweak stuff on my PC for fix it. When you buy a video card It has to work correctly. Installed the last driver and voiala, but that wasant my case.
 
if i buy a car and drive it as fast as i can in 1st gear whilst towing a massive weight you think i should return it because it overheats?
 
Shambles1980 said:
if i buy a car and drive it as fast as i can in 1st gear whilst towing a massive weight you think i should return it because it overheats?
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Depends, if you are driving up an incline and it requires a low gear, and ambient temperature is not in your favour, then you can't avoid overheating unless you take regular rest breaks ;)
 
Shambles1980 said:
if i buy a car and drive it as fast as i can in 1st gear whilst towing a massive weight you think i should return it because it overheats?
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We are talking about video cards not cars, I dont know in you country, but here, if you buy something you have 30 days of return it without any reason.
In addition, in my case I had failures with the video card navigating on the internet, or playing whatever, (this is the purpose of a video card) but of course if you do not read my posts. I dont retunt it cuz its crash on furmark, and if is the case, as I told you I can return it with no reasons.
 
Good to know where some people draw the line with their morals (not you BenchAndGames). Nothing like clicking on a check box that warns of damage, using it the software anyway, damaging the card, then returning the product like the button wasn't clicked and warnings weren't shared from NVIDIA...especially if asked and you LIE so it can be returned... some shady souls around this joint. :(
 
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