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Marketing is not just about sales, it would be gone fast enough. It's more about special type of a brainwashing - psychological warfare.
Ugh yeah that too... ppl just won't let ppl be themselves and it sucks
 
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No user should ever be forced to have to watch ads. We have enough damn advertisement today as it is.
Never watch TV eh? Listen to the radio maybe? Drive down a freeway/highway? Walk through a mall or shopping center? Sensing a theme there? YouTube is a broadcast entertainment business. They make money by showing commercials, otherwise known as ads.

You, as a viewer, can either pay for the service with your time(watching an ad) or with money(subscription). It isn't free.

Marketing is not just about sales, it would be gone fast enough. It's more about special type of a brainwashing - psychological warfare.
Please don't start that nonsense...
 
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The ppl who can't afford premium can't afford to buy anything in the ads yt need to get this thru their thick skulls
That doesn't matter. The advertiser pays Google to show their ads. The product itself has nothing to do with it.
 
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People are no so stupid.
Watching an ad doesn't means you're going to buy the product.
Honestly, who really care of ads now ? It just boring, colors, musics and words mixed altogether that no one care.
 

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yt premium here is pretty cheap, i went for that since i consume a lot on my tab and phone from time to time. Also helps my parents from not having to watch ads and get funny ideas.

still got ublock origin on desktop tho :D
 
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People are no so stupid.
Watching an ad doesn't means you're going to buy the product.
Honestly, who really care of ads now ? It just boring, colors, musics and words mixed altogether that no one care.
I think you haven't been paying attention.

The unbridled consumerism is entirely due to marketing. Influencers are marketing and even a vast amount of YT content itself is marketing. And yes, they make people buy the most idiotic stuff, even with money they don't have. We've been raised, told, every day, we need to keep buying. Even our government wants us to. The economy wants us to. Not buying stuff we need - we did that always - but buying MORE stuff we don't need. And the stuff we really do need, gets commercialized too, like healthcare or a simple loaf of bread. And guess what... even healthcare is unmanageable because we keep asking for more of it. We're not less healthy. But we use more healthcare. More comfort, more wealth also leads to greater spending and thus greater usage of resources per person.

And then we wonder why the world's going to shit.
 
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I don't use youtube premium, but I like it - because it will help people spread to other platforms that are on someone who isn't as greedy as Google :)
The more people who leave this greedy company - the better!
 
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I think you haven't been paying attention.

The unbridled consumerism is entirely due to marketing. Influencers are marketing and even a vast amount of YT content itself is marketing. And yes, they make people buy the most idiotic stuff, even with money they don't have. We've been raised, told, every day, we need to keep buying. Even our government wants us to. The economy wants us to. Not buying stuff we need - we did that always - but buying MORE stuff we don't need. And the stuff we really do need, gets commercialized too, like healthcare or a simple loaf of bread. And guess what... even healthcare is unmanageable because we keep asking for more of it. We're not less healthy. But we use more healthcare. More comfort, more wealth also leads to greater spending and thus greater usage of resources per person.

And then we wonder why the world's going to shit.
Hey don't forget to buy that new Gen5 NVMe. And since it get's burning hot you need that fancy heatsink too. And since the fan sucks replace it with a Noctua fan....etc
 
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I use YouTube Premium for all the reasons stated here in this thread, but also because in Argentina it costs me less than $3 per month, which is a small price to pay for no ads, uninterrupted videos and endless amounts of music.
I did use uBlock Origin before, which worked flawlessly.
 
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Hey don't forget to buy that new Gen5 NVMe. And since it get's burning hot you need that fancy heatsink too. And since the fan sucks replace it with a Noctua fan....etc
Yep and then you can drool over the 0.005 second you won when you move a file around, and then waste time to tell everyone how great it is, spending all those seconds again for the lifetime of the component. Such profit

That's just about what tech progress is all about these days. We've completely lost the plot. 'Marketing didn't do anything'... mmhm
 
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[.......costs me less than $3 per month....]
How's that even possible? I am on the Family plan, shelling €8,69/month. I don't even use all five accounts yet, but that's on my side.
 
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google just sucks in general. The last few years they have been on a mission to burn ALL their goodwill. I shudder at the concept of what they will eventually do to Gmail/drive/gdocs.
People are no so stupid.
Watching an ad doesn't means you're going to buy the product.
Honestly, who really care of ads now ? It just boring, colors, musics and words mixed altogether that no one care.
I cant say i've EVER bought anything on an ad. I usually turn off my ears, back when TV was a thing.
I abandoned their app a while ago. The page in Brave is a much better experience and as a bonus, no ads.
That's how I've done it. Works great, allows background audio play, ece.

Can also use New pipe, but I had issues with it crashing the last time I used it. So Brave it is.
I use YouTube Premium for all the reasons stated here in this thread, but also because in Argentina it costs me less than $3 per month, which is a small price to pay for no ads, uninterrupted videos and endless amounts of music.
I did use uBlock Origin before, which worked flawlessly.
I'd be perfectly willing to pay for Premium if google stopped censoring creators, stopped shadowbanning comments, and fixed the bot problem.

alas, this does not align politically with Google's vision, so ublock shall remain.
How's that even possible? I am on the Family plan, shelling €8,69/month. I don't even use all five accounts yet, but that's on my side.
Argentina's economy is totally borked, so the conversion rate is just silly.
 
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How's that even possible? I am on the Family plan, shelling €8,69/month. I don't even use all five accounts yet, but that's on my side.
Many countries with low GDP and average earnings get these prices on games as well, but you have to pay in local currency, which is what I do at around 3000 pesos per month, which equates to around 2.5 litres of petrol. Frankly, I'd be a fool not to.
 
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Never watch TV eh? Listen to the radio maybe? Drive down a freeway/highway? Walk through a mall or shopping center? Sensing a theme there? YouTube is a broadcast entertainment business. They make money by showing commercials, otherwise known as ads.

You, as a viewer, can either pay for the service with your time(watching an ad) or with money(subscription). It isn't free.


Please don't start that nonsense...

People are no so stupid.
Watching an ad doesn't means you're going to buy the product.
Honestly, who really care of ads now ? It just boring, colors, musics and words mixed altogether that no one care.

I think you haven't been paying attention.

The unbridled consumerism is entirely due to marketing. Influencers are marketing and even a vast amount of YT content itself is marketing. And yes, they make people buy the most idiotic stuff, even with money they don't have. We've been raised, told, every day, we need to keep buying. Even our government wants us to. The economy wants us to. Not buying stuff we need - we did that always - but buying MORE stuff we don't need. And the stuff we really do need, gets commercialized too, like healthcare or a simple loaf of bread. And guess what... even healthcare is unmanageable because we keep asking for more of it. We're not less healthy. But we use more healthcare. More comfort, more wealth also leads to greater spending and thus greater usage of resources per person.

And then we wonder why the world's going to shit.

After reading through all of this...I have a few things to say.

The Freeway/Highway system was initially tax funded construction. It was to provide quick access for transport of goods, and was strategic in its development such that the military and government had the ability to move things around effectively (in the US). What has since happened is that there is a Freeway system, and their are also state run toll roads. What happens most often is that a third party is sought to build extra infrastructure, their payback is some money, and the ability to levy tolls on users for a fixed period of time, so the state can effectively lay infrastructure at minimal cost. They can also do things like install additional toll lanes that are paid out at a premium, but theoretically are capable of skipping out on traffic because of that premium pricing. Theoretically the state, at the end of the contract, now owns the infrastructure and can make their own money off the tolls, or abolish them.

This is like removing the school spending from the budget, and legalizing a state lottery. The budget becomes inexplicably linked to the gambling, so you hear radio advertisements that your state has millions of dollars given to the education system from the lottery...because politicians removed it as something that was actually directly paid for. Kinda nuts to see such a monopoly as fine when gambling can become a huge problem...but it's just fine when it's "for the children..." right?


Back on topic. There are three things that a media company needs. They need content, a delivery medium, and infrastructure. Youtube used to not have adds because they would track data, and sell it to advertisers. They had no expenses for content, because they produced none of their own, and their infrastructure is an internet connection and server storage space. Note that they have a delivery medium that you pay for...no content cost...and only server space with a few people as their real required infrastructure.
The problem is that they decided first that advertisements needed to play and break the videos, after starting out as pre-video garbage. Then the advertisements were metered and matched to content type...which made certain "safe" content the only viable way to get reimbursed for your time. They then courted legacy media to try and get in on that sweet streaming media content...by introducing a premium subscription service. I...was fine with adds, but when a 3 minute clip had a minute and a half of adds it...required add blockers. Now they're fighting against add blockers because their 1:10,000 conversion rates have dropped to 1:20,000 (numbers pulled completely out of thin air), effectively meaning that their add space goes down in value as more and more people learn about add blocking.


I won't make this a "capitalism is bad" thing. What I will suggest is that the introduction to PBS (Public Broadcasting System) media should be heeded. "This content was made with support from viewers like you. Please support your local PBS station to keep making this content available." They say this because for decades they've been on the air, and supported by donations...while a lot of the advertising space they could use is largely used to pay for the infrastructure to transmit said content. This is why I support PBS, and loved Netflix, but hate Disney+. Disney entered the space after it was proven to make money, pulled their content from all other locations, bought up the content houses so that they had the right to squirrel away even more, and it's all fine because legally the copyright system would theoretically return the content from their monopoly to the common creative space eventually... Except Disney has lobbied to extend their monopoly several times...and won.

Youtube is largely seeking to triple dip. They've got huge content creators who make a lot of theirs for free. They control user data, so can optimize deliver and thus charge a premium for advertising. Finally, they are increasing advertising. I...actually kind of like their watch a movie with advertisements...and their 80's catalog is pretty good. That said, I'm frustrated that my 3 minute video from a nobody that has 10k views after a month getting advertisements from the content creator, then a pre-roll, and a mid-roll, is just...well, it's why people are frustrated whenever it's acceptable elsewhere. Youtube, and by extension Google/Alphabet, isn't crazy. They are greedy enough to deliver a poorer experience that now cannot even be hidden behind a reasonable doubt when they run "it's against our policy to run blockers" banners across videos while content creators are showing just how little you get unless you've got hundreds of millions of followers...that Youtube itself can evaporate by de-prioritizing your content without ever letting you know.
 

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How's that even possible? I am on the Family plan, shelling €8,69/month. I don't even use all five accounts yet, but that's on my side.

its around 6$ for 3 months here :clap: individual plan
 
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After reading through all of this...I have a few things to say.

The Freeway/Highway system was initially tax funded construction. It was to provide quick access for transport of goods, and was strategic in its development such that the military and government had the ability to move things around effectively (in the US). What has since happened is that there is a Freeway system, and their are also state run toll roads. What happens most often is that a third party is sought to build extra infrastructure, their payback is some money, and the ability to levy tolls on users for a fixed period of time, so the state can effectively lay infrastructure at minimal cost. They can also do things like install additional toll lanes that are paid out at a premium, but theoretically are capable of skipping out on traffic because of that premium pricing. Theoretically the state, at the end of the contract, now owns the infrastructure and can make their own money off the tolls, or abolish them.

This is like removing the school spending from the budget, and legalizing a state lottery. The budget becomes inexplicably linked to the gambling, so you hear radio advertisements that your state has millions of dollars given to the education system from the lottery...because politicians removed it as something that was actually directly paid for. Kinda nuts to see such a monopoly as fine when gambling can become a huge problem...but it's just fine when it's "for the children..." right?


Back on topic. There are three things that a media company needs. They need content, a delivery medium, and infrastructure. Youtube used to not have adds because they would track data, and sell it to advertisers. They had no expenses for content, because they produced none of their own, and their infrastructure is an internet connection and server storage space. Note that they have a delivery medium that you pay for...no content cost...and only server space with a few people as their real required infrastructure.
The problem is that they decided first that advertisements needed to play and break the videos, after starting out as pre-video garbage. Then the advertisements were metered and matched to content type...which made certain "safe" content the only viable way to get reimbursed for your time. They then courted legacy media to try and get in on that sweet streaming media content...by introducing a premium subscription service. I...was fine with adds, but when a 3 minute clip had a minute and a half of adds it...required add blockers. Now they're fighting against add blockers because their 1:10,000 conversion rates have dropped to 1:20,000 (numbers pulled completely out of thin air), effectively meaning that their add space goes down in value as more and more people learn about add blocking.


I won't make this a "capitalism is bad" thing. What I will suggest is that the introduction to PBS (Public Broadcasting System) media should be heeded. "This content was made with support from viewers like you. Please support your local PBS station to keep making this content available." They say this because for decades they've been on the air, and supported by donations...while a lot of the advertising space they could use is largely used to pay for the infrastructure to transmit said content. This is why I support PBS, and loved Netflix, but hate Disney+. Disney entered the space after it was proven to make money, pulled their content from all other locations, bought up the content houses so that they had the right to squirrel away even more, and it's all fine because legally the copyright system would theoretically return the content from their monopoly to the common creative space eventually... Except Disney has lobbied to extend their monopoly several times...and won.

Youtube is largely seeking to triple dip. They've got huge content creators who make a lot of theirs for free. They control user data, so can optimize deliver and thus charge a premium for advertising. Finally, they are increasing advertising. I...actually kind of like their watch a movie with advertisements...and their 80's catalog is pretty good. That said, I'm frustrated that my 3 minute video from a nobody that has 10k views after a month getting advertisements from the content creator, then a pre-roll, and a mid-roll, is just...well, it's why people are frustrated whenever it's acceptable elsewhere. Youtube, and by extension Google/Alphabet, isn't crazy. They are greedy enough to deliver a poorer experience that now cannot even be hidden behind a reasonable doubt when they run "it's against our policy to run blockers" banners across videos while content creators are showing just how little you get unless you've got hundreds of millions of followers...that Youtube itself can evaporate by de-prioritizing your content without ever letting you know.
I think your TL DR here is that some commercialism is fine, but there are limits, and when it crosses those, it all turns to shit.

If that is the case, I'm in complete agreement. Of course some commerce is required, just as marketing is, to a certain extent, you need the exposure. Its just that all things human keep escalating, it seems. And at some point it escalates beyond boundaries you've set for yourself. Beyond limits of acceptable. That's where I draw the line, and I draw it rigourously and mercilessly. Its the only approach that works to make companies commit to change. Whatever weight I can have, I will have, basically, as a consumer.

In my world, the only deals I really want to strike with anyone are those were both sides feel like they're winning. Honesty goes a long way, too.
 
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How's that even possible? I am on the Family plan, shelling €8,69/month. I don't even use all five accounts yet, but that's on my side.
£12.99 a month here for single user or a whopping £20 for the family one, never considered premium though had a look as on topic, rarely use YT on my mobile due to ads, use uBlock origin and Ghostery on PC and don't watch much YT on TV because of ads either, no way in hell I would pay those kinds of prices though :eek:
 

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12EUR/month here, thanks but no thanks at least for now. I use it only for listening music on my phone and I can live with Spotify free's short ads (or put some mp3s to my phone).
 

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12EUR/month here, thanks but no thanks at least for now. I use it only for listening music on my phone and I can live with Spotify free's short ads (or put some mp3s to my phone).
this is the only way. Streaming audio quality varies too much based on the phone signal.

i still have a USB of ripped music to play for in my car. I even made an application that eats WMP playlists and spits out folders into the pendrive. https://github.com/de-das-dude/PlaylistFolderGenerator
you will need an IDE to run it. Its kinda jank because i was lazy.
 
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I think your TL DR here is that some commercialism is fine, but there are limits, and when it crosses those, it all turns to shit.

If that is the case, I'm in complete agreement. Of course some commerce is required, just as marketing is, to a certain extent, you need the exposure. Its just that all things human keep escalating, it seems. And at some point it escalates beyond boundaries you've set for yourself. Beyond limits of acceptable. That's where I draw the line, and I draw it rigourously and mercilessly. Its the only approach that works to make companies commit to change. Whatever weight I can have, I will have, basically, as a consumer.

In my world, the only deals I really want to strike with anyone are those were both sides feel like they're winning. Honesty goes a long way, too.

I think that the summary loses a lot of the reasoning...but it's adequate enough.

My point is that when one person does a thing it's suddenly OK for everyone to do it. That's...well, it's how we get horse armor as a business model. So we are clear, gatcha descends directly from the gambling machines and horse armor, so I offer Bethesda a middle finger there.


Relating to this topic, Youtube is experiencing the Streisand effect about add blocking. Disney is experiencing the Streisand effect about not being a-political, because surprisingly enough their greed was good for their bottom line but garbage for us. At any rate, I now want to go back to cable TV instead of streaming...because it's back to being cheaper than getting the same content through the new stratified media sources. That's exactly to the plan...even if that plan is sketched somewhere on a napkin as a snake eating its own tail.
 
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Honestly, who really care of ads now ?
To be fair, YT has always shown many more ads than is appropriate. It's fricken irritating, so I fully understand why people hate and loath the ads. Totally with them on that. At the same time, YT is a business. Balancing the merits of each perspective isn't easy for the best of us. For people who don't understand the big picture, it can be massively frustrating.

I don't use youtube premium, but I like it - because it will help people spread to other platforms that are on someone who isn't as greedy as Google :)
The more people who leave this greedy company - the better!
What other platforms? Name one other platform that is anywhere near the usefulness and utility of YT. You say Tiktok and you will instantly discredit yourself as someone who's opinion should be given a moments consideration.

So go on, name one.
 
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Many countries with low GDP and average earnings get these prices on games as well, but you have to pay in local currency, which is what I do at around 3000 pesos per month, which equates to around 2.5 litres of petrol. Frankly, I'd be a fool not to.
Hmm... Maybe I should get a VPN, make YouTube believe that I'm in Zimbabwe or Ethiopia and pay $1 for premium. :rolleyes:

But then, the price of the VPN would negate the savings on the premium account. Oh well... :D
 
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What other platforms? Name one other platform that is anywhere near the usefulness and utility of YT. You say Tiktok and you will instantly discredit yourself as someone who's opinion should be given a moments consideration.

So go on, name one.

Twitch?
Patreon ?
Any newborn?
If we just wait and sit here (yt), nothing else will ever appear... There is no other way to deal with Youtube - pay up or leave (or use adblocker/programs).
 
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