Korean mom meeting and say goodbye to her deceased daughter one last time in VR

[lexluthermiester]

Try reading the article.

Thanks for the advice, now here's some for you; quit being so heartless and disrespectful.

Even the author still has his doubts

That's not the point and you're smart enough to know that. How someone grieves is very personal business, and none of ours.

Some folks here seem to be missing the point as well. So let's ask, have any of you lost a child of your own? Maybe lost someone you never got to say goodbye too? Maybe you should think very carefully about how you would feel in such a situation instead of marginalizing on something you barely understand.

 

[trickson]

Isn't that what shes doing to her mind. She went on this long journey to feed information and script scenarios to programmers to fool herself virtualy after 4 yrs.

What if the little girl didn't want to be brought back as a scripted mo-cap A.I. Where is the VR child services at ?

Its dark. What if the situation is a child doesn't like their parent and tragically the child passes. Parents can't handle their passing and use this to re-write their relationship to feel better. Benefits the survivor but not the decease.

Right.
This just seems way way to creepy.
Although in Star Trek there are Hollow Decks where your wildest dreams can come true ( No matter the sick level) so this just seems like that first step.
Wonder how long till the Porn industry finds out about this. Makes one think just what are we doing with all this new tech?.
This is creepy makes one think about the motives of the living and the lack of a spirituality in there life.
But who am I to judge? If this helps you then cool go for it. But where do we draw the line?
If this makes you feel good then maybe a blowup doll a room and a VR setup and you are golden!

Thanks for the advice, now here's some for you; quit being so heartless and disrespectful.
Some folks here seem to be missing the point as well. So let's ask, have any of you lost a child of your own? Maybe lost someone you never got to say goodbye too? Maybe you should think very carefully about how you would feel in such a situation instead of marginalizing on something you barely understand.

Okay first I'm not sure that anyone is being disrespectful or heartless.
This is pure dogma. You can NOT just use dead children and the fact that some have lost them and others have not. And we all EVERYONE ON THIS EARTH that is alive will loose or has lost someone this is just pure dogma.
Life is dealing with death so deal with it. Bring back the dead IMHO is JUST sick and diminishes there memory.
And it is even worse for you to use VR to bring back the dead or a dead child OMG. JMHO.

This Korean MOM should be seeking real HELP I mean REAL help. She just can not deal and this is just NOT healthy at all. Sigmund Freud is ROLLING in his GRAVE!

 

[lexluthermiester]

Okay first I'm not sure that anyone is being disrespectful or heartless.

You and others in this thread are openly mocking a grieving mother. To me, that is heartless and disrespectful.

This is pure dogma. You can NOT just use dead children and the fact that some have lost them and others have not. And we all EVERYONE ON THIS EARTH that is alive will loose or has lost someone this is just pure dogma.

You have the right to claim that for yourself, not for others.

Life is dealing with death so deal with it. Bring back the dead IMHO is JUST sick and diminishes there memory.

Is looking at photos or videos taken of the dead during life sick or diminish their memory?

This, like all other technologies that allow us to remember people we love and moments in the past, is just a tool. Whether YOU want to use it is your choice. You do not have the right to dictate to others how they feel and deal with the death of people they love or how they remember them.

 

[dirtyferret]

You and others in this thread are openly mocking a grieving mother. To me, that is heartless and disrespectful.

As a parent myself, I would never mock another grieving parent (or person). Performed properly VR can aid a person in grief but if left unregulated I can see it easily going sideways and becoming unhealthy to that person in grief as well as becoming devastating mentally and financially.

 

[freeagent]

I don’t know. I have two young boys and I cannot imagine having to say good bye to them. Let alone doing it through vr. I’d probably do myself in right after.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

I think it's a good use of the tech, it might be "deemed" as creepy, but if you feel that way you don't have to use it. For some people I could probably see this being effective therapy.

 

[R-T-B]

How can one rest in piece if you are raising them from the dead?

You do realize you aren't literally raising anything from the dead right? It's more akin to an animated memory. How is this any different from replaying a video or photo slideshow? Or at worst, commisioning a painting? She provided all the data. This group just gave her disjointed collection of memories a form.

If it bothers you, don't use it. What bothers me here is all those presuming to know what should bother us.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

You do realize you aren't literally raising anything from the dead right? It's more akin to an animated memory. How is this any different from replaying a video or photo slideshow? Or at worst, commisioning a painting? She provided all the data. This group just gave her disjointed collection of memories a form.

If it bothers you, don't use it. What bothers me here is all those presuming to know what should bother us.

I do agree with your last parts. Such eagerness to judge~

 

[trickson]

I think it is wrong.
You can openly mock me all you want.
I think tech can be taken to far and this is one of them moments.

I think it's a good use of the tech, it might be "deemed" as creepy, but if you feel that way you don't have to use it. For some people I could probably see this being effective therapy.

So keep revisiting the death by bringing some VR image to life then suffer the pain when the power is turned off.
Yeah good one.
We have people for this they are call grief counselors or psychiatrists.

You do realize you aren't literally raising anything from the dead right? It's more akin to an animated memory. How is this any different from replaying a video or photo slideshow? Or at worst, commisioning a painting? She provided all the data. This group just gave her disjointed collection of memories a form.

If it bothers you, don't use it. What bothers me here is all those presuming to know what should bother us.

Well if this is good for you then by all means go for it.
I am not telling anyone anything but my view on this you seem the judgmental one(s) Not me.
I thought this was a discussion about VR tech and I say that I feel this is abuse of tech is all.
What is next? PORN? Where do you draw the line here . This is full human Psyche being manipulated and tricked, This is what I feel and how I see it.
It's one thing to have a VR game or Movie but this? Come on this is creepy.

Thanks for the advice, now here's some for you; quit being so heartless and disrespectful.


That's not the point and you're smart enough to know that. How someone grieves is very personal business, and none of ours.

Some folks here seem to be missing the point as well. So let's ask, have any of you lost a child of your own? Maybe lost someone you never got to say goodbye too? Maybe you should think very carefully about how you would feel in such a situation instead of marginalizing on something you barely understand.

YEAH you are openly MOCKING and also saying people are not smart enough? (BY saying you are smart enough to get that) that is MOCKING What the HELL would you call that micro aggression?
Just pointing out... No need to crack the shit crust. Jut pointing out you are just as judgmental as we.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

So keep revisiting the death by bringing some VR image to life then suffer the pain when the power is turned off.

Then it provides temporary comfort, congratulations on finally coming to terms with it.

We have people for this they are call grief counselors or psychiatrists.

And? Elaborate? Not everyone can benefit from counselling and it may not be beneficial to someone and it may work wonders on others.
It's quite funny at the amount of ignorance in this thread, which brings up back to the point of:
Don't like it? Don't use it!
Seriously though, if it doesn't benefit you in any form don't use it and stick to the old ways, this benefits others and not you quite evidently, so it's successful in some form, whether you like it or not.

 

[trickson]

Then it provides temporary comfort, congratulations on finally coming to terms with it.

And? Elaborate? Not everyone can benefit from counselling and it may not be beneficial to someone and it may work wonders on others.
It's quite funny at the amount of ignorance in this thread, which brings up back to the point of:
Don't like it? Don't use it!
Seriously though, if it doesn't benefit you in any form don't use it and stick to the old ways, this benefits others and not you quite evidently, so it's successful in some form, whether you like it or not.

OKAY first I am discussing this you are twisting it. Some how you miss the point. And calling me ignorant does NOT help your argument that is dogma.
My point is if this can be called therapy then who is to say that this therapy wont be used for other reasons?
You are, Since I am saying it is sick, thinking that I disagree with the use no I do not.
I would NOT do this no way first off. But I want to know where does this stop?
And you must admit there is a slight macabre air about this. I mean you are doing this just for YOU. seems a bit eccentric and really narcissistic to me is all.
I didn't get enough time, I didn't get to say the things I wanted, I,I,I,I,I!
OH WAIT now I can do it for real! I can finaly say good bye! I can see you once again! I ,I,I. That is classic narcissism. And to bring them back in VR well that is real clear.

 

[Xzibit]

Thanks for the advice, now here's some for you; quit being so heartless and disrespectful.

You don't have to read or respond to my post if it disturbs you. You can re-create it in VR to please you soon enough.

Some folks here seem to be missing the point as well. So let's ask, have any of you lost a child of your own? Maybe lost someone you never got to say goodbye too? Maybe you should think very carefully about how you would feel in such a situation instead of marginalizing on something you barely understand.

Would you and others like to provide your clinical psychology credentials? Was one even provided for the family through this process?

 

[Eskimonster]

this thread is getting disturbing

 

[Xzibit]

OKAY first I am discussing this you are twisting it. Some how you miss the point. And calling me ignorant does NOT help your argument that is dogma.
My point is if this can be called therapy then who is to say that this therapy wont be used for other reasons?
You are, Since I am saying it is sick, thinking that I disagree with the use no I do not.
I would NOT do this no way first off. But I want to know where does this stop?
And you must admit there is a slight macabre air about this. I mean you are doing this just for YOU. seems a bit eccentric and really narcissistic to me is all.
I didn't get enough time, I didn't get to say the things I wanted, I,I,I,I,I!
OH WAIT now I can do it for real! I can finaly say good bye! I can see you once again! I ,I,I. That is classic narcissism. And to bring them back in VR well that is real clear.

Which reminds me. In one of the articles the mom is quoted as saying, "The dream I always wanted". As an outsider If she needed to go through this process 4 yrs after her little girls passing it makes me wonder if she was getting the proper help she needed in the first place.

 

[Blitzr]

Subjectively, that's a great use of technology. Reminds me a little of the film Final Cut with Robin Williams, just not as dark.

 

[trickson]

You don't have to read or respond to my post if it disturbs you. You can re-create it in VR to please you soon enough.



Would you and others like to provide your clinical psychology credentials? Was one even provided for the family through this process?

Also yeah if my reply was so disturbing why was it being responded to? It could have been just ignored.
No because all they care about is feelings. And bashing yours and mine is fine as long as they seem virtuous doing it.
Pathetic!

this thread is getting disturbing

It was from the OP.
I mean the very title denotes this is going to be disturbing and bizarre.

 

[lexluthermiester]

YEAH you are openly MOCKING and also saying people are not smart enough? (BY saying you are smart enough to get that) that is MOCKING What the HELL would you call that micro aggression?
Just pointing out... No need to crack the shit crust. Jut pointing out you are just as judgmental as we.

You need to re-read my comment, word by word. I think you overlooked the context.

No because all they care about is feelings. And bashing yours and mine is fine as long as they seem virtuous doing it.
Pathetic!

I didn't bash your feelings. You and other openly mocked the subject of the OP. I criticized you and others for it. Criticism is not the same a mockery.

 

[robot zombie]

I'm not sure how to feel about it, or if it even really matters.

Storytime... when we were entering our 20's I lost a childhood friend to suicide. Nobody saw it coming. He was one of those people that had a way of bringing people together and making them feel accepted... very popular with a lot of different groups. Always happy and positive... on the outside. I remember him best as our star pitcher. That dude carried many games for us and had a way of uniting the team. One of those laid-back type-A's. Always on top of his game, but accepting of everyone. You wanted to be like him. We all did.

I don't think his mom ever recovered. A while later I had an opportunity to sit down with her and talk about things. I shared with her memories of him growing up and just what kind of person he was to all of us. I wanted her to know of the impact that he had on people... to see that he will never truly be gone from the world so long as we're around. At some point in this conversation, she said to me something I will never forget. She said "It is only through the things that people like you say about him that I have come to know what kind of person my son really was." It was a bittersweet moment. I think that she wanted to cry, but she didn't, and the pain I sensed in her was beyond tears. I can't imagine what it's like to be in that position... having to bury your own son and carry the grief and the guilt of feeling like you didn't know enough. I think she probably very deeply regrets not being closer to him. I'm sure that she blames herself for what happened... tells herself that maybe if she was there more he might have reached out instead of, well...

She now honors his memory by wishing him a happy birthday on his facebook. And people do still show up to toss up some positivity. Personally, I can't be seeing that. She's been doing this for nearly 10 years. Maybe it is her way of making up for lost time. I find it too painful to look at. The only times I've gone to look is when I've been very low myself, as a reminder of what can happen. I would say to myself "That will never be my mother."

Another friend of ours, his best friend, also never recovered. He fell off in a downward spiral spanning for years. He sought help and we all tried to be there for him, but in the end he fell off of the face of the earth and nobody even knows if he is still alive. It just... it changed him in ways that many of us who still talk cannot fully grasp. It's like for him, there is nowhere he can go that is far enough. Nothing is strong enough to take that pain away. I know what it's like to be in so much pain that you literally can't live. But to go through it continuously for years on end, with nothing really working and no end in sight... that sounds like hell on earth. I'd take anything to make that stop. I can picture the desperation. And in searching myself for answers to it... I just don't have them, you know? There is no guaranteed way to be okay when that is where you're at.

I think having to move on from your own child in that way is a different kind of grieving. I have lost people, too. Too many. Too many more since then. But meeting with her, I sensed a different kind of pain. You can say it is not healthy and that she should try to move past it. And generally I agree. The truth is just the truth... all you can really do is try to live with it. But I also think there are many ways to do that. So as much as I might find something like this very strange and off-putting, I don't feel like I'm in any position to judge. The only thing I have gleaned from my experience is that there are some kinds of pain that you just never, ever forget. You never truly move on. If something like this can be of some use to someone who is suffering through that, I can't begrudge them that. I think it's very much in the realm of personal morality. I may say that for me it is wrong and unhealthy. I truly think that it would be. But at the end of the day, when it comes to the pain of other people, I'm not the one who ultimately has to live with it. Nobody is forcing this option on people. They have to choose. And I think that is on them to do.

Maybe it's true that this mom hasn't been getting the help she needed. I think it is obvious she has not been shouldering the grief well. But who's to say what options she may already have exhausted to even be considering an option like this? How desperate do you need to be to do this? You just don't know. I can't imagine what must be going through her mind, or what life is like for someone like her to undergo an experience like that.

 

[trickson]

Which reminds me. In one of the articles the mom is quoted as saying, "The dream I always wanted". As an outsider If she needed to go through this process 4 yrs after her little girls passing it makes me wonder if she was getting the proper help she needed in the first place.

Exactly! I mean right!
She seems to be living in the past and not letting go is a bad sign something mentally is not right!

 

[lexluthermiester]

She seems to be living in the past and not letting go is a bad sign something mentally is not right!

That is your opinion, it would seem clear that not everyone agrees.

She now honors his memory by wishing him a happy birthday on his facebook. And people do still show up to toss up some positivity. Personally, I can't be seeing that. She's been doing this for nearly 10 years. Maybe it is her way of making up for lost time.

Well said! And that is what works for her. This is no different than the subject of the OP. A mother grieving in her own way. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[moproblems99]

I, for one, wouldn't want my last memory of my child to be virtual.

 

[trickson]

You need to re-read my comment, word by word. I think you overlooked the context.

I didn't bash your feelings. You and other openly mocked the subject of the OP. I criticized you and others for it. Criticism is not the same a mockery.

whatever I am point out how I feel and think of this tech. If that is MOCKING someone well that is on you.
Yes you insulted me and others here and I think you still continue to do so.
calling me a mocker and ignorant and stupid is the very definition of steeping on my feelings and bashing me.
I am saying this is creepy and sick and people need to ask when does tech become too much for the human psyche. Just my opinion.
Hell Google is dumbing the population down and still we have a sick need to use it as the all seeing all know eye of GOD! WHEN DOES IT STOP?
When should people seek real help not some fake VR help. Or maybe she should see a VR psychiatrist?

Maybe I should just Google it?

 

[lexluthermiester]

whatever I am point out how I feel and think of this tech. If that is MOCKING someone well that is on you.
Yes you insulted me and others here and I think you still continue to do so.
calling me a mocker and ignorant and stupid is the very definition of steeping on my feelings and bashing me.
I am saying this is creepy and sick and people need to ask when does tech become too much for the human psyche. Just my opinion.
Hell Google is dumbing the population down and still we have a sick need to use it as the all seeing all know eye of GOD! WHEN DOES IT STOP?
When should people seek real help not some fake VR help. Or maybe she should see a VR psychiatrist?

I'm not trying to diss on you. You and other users came down harshly on an interesting new way to use VR. It's perfectly innocent and harmless. All I'm saying is, let people grieve in their own way. We have no right to tell them how to feel or how to work through those feelings.

 

[trickson]

So now Google , Youtube, FaceBook, Twitter and the Cloud can store YOUR loved one in VR! Come see them feel them LOVE them once again in our new VR facility!
For only $199.99 you can enjoy your loved one again.

Breaking news VR facilities are HACKED and people are loosing there minds watching there loved ones being brutalized! LOL!

 

[Xzibit]

Exactly! I mean right!
She seems to be living in the past and not letting go is a bad sign something mentally is not right!

Society. Oh, she fells good now. Yay, Keep ignore the possible signs of Mental Health until they are too late.