M.2 SSD on old X58 system with M.2 PCI adaptor. Can it work?

[fersergar]

Hello , could you say that list of m2 hard drives are compatible to put it in Mi asus extreme III X58 ? and if possible an adapter of m2, Thank you very much.

 

[Regeneration]

Hello , could you say that list of m2 hard drives are compatible to put it in Mi asus extreme III X58 ? and if possible an adapter of m2, Thank you very much.

This card will let you use M.2 SATA SSDs out-of-the-box:

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-M-2-SATA-Controller-Card/dp/B017IM54GM/

If you wish M.2 PCIe NVMe, you'll need another card, and to setup 3rd party boot loader:

https://www.amazon.com/QNINE-Adapter-Express-Controller-Expansion/dp/B075MDH28Y/
https://www.win-raid.com/t3286f50-G...h-legacy-BIOS-and-UEFI-board-DUET-REFIND.html

 

[agent_x007]

Don't SATA M.2 drives need a adapter with SATA port to work properly ?
Like this one : LINK (it has both B-Key for SATA and M-Key for AHCI/NVMe PCIe).

 

[EarthDog]

Don't SATA M.2 drives need a adapter with SATA port to work properly ?
Like this one : LINK (it has both B-Key for SATA and M-Key for AHCI/NVMe PCIe).

Nope.

The m.2 port simply needs to support the SATA protocol. Most boards have at least one m.2 port that does.

If you wish M.2 PCIe NVMe, you'll need another card, and to setup 3rd party boot loader:

This. Though I question the reasoning of buying such a drive for the ancient platform. I'd rather buy a cheaper ssd and put that difference away for a system upgrade.

 

[Regeneration]

Don't SATA M.2 drives need a adapter with SATA port to work properly ?
Like this one : LINK (it has both B-Key for SATA and M-Key for AHCI/NVMe PCIe).

Some cheap PCIe M.2 cards come without SATA controller and need connection to the motherboard's SATA ports. That's plain stupid and completely useless... you can just use M.2 to SATA adapter instead. The one I linked to is equipped with Asmedia chip with bootable OROM on it.

This. Though I question the reasoning of buying such a drive for the ancient platform. I'd rather buy a cheaper ssd and put that difference away for a system upgrade.

X58 was Intel's HEDT platform before iGPU and restricted overclocking nonsense. Still kick ass and faster than some mid-range CPUs... despite no UEFI, DDR4, AVX, NVMe, M.2, SATA3 and USB3. Most X58 motherboards come with at least 2 PCIe 2.0 x16 slots from the Northbridge, and some other x1, x4 from the Southbridge. Still capable of running the latest apps and games in decent frame rates.

 

[freeagent]

Its still a fairly smooth system, not bad at all considering. This rig doesn't owe me a thing.

 

[EarthDog]

X58 was Intel's HEDT platform before iGPU and restricted overclocking nonsense. Still kick ass and faster than some mid-range CPUs... despite no UEFI, DDR4, AVX, NVMe, M.2, SATA3 and USB3. Most X58 motherboards come with at least 2 PCIe 2.0 x16 slots from the Northbridge, and some other x1, x4 from the Southbridge. Still capable of running the latest apps and games in decent frame rates.

Yep. I simply prefer not to have a glass ceiling on games and its just slow clock for clock compared to most anything after it.

 

[Regeneration]

Yep. I simply prefer not to have a glass ceiling on games and its just slow clock for clock compared to most anything after it.

If it ain't broke don't fix it. If everything works fine don't upgrade.

If your 2005 Chevrolet Camaro takes you to all the places you need to be - without a hitch - there is no need to buy the 2020 model.

 

[Shou Miko]

If it ain't broke don't fix it. If everything works fine don't upgrade.

If your 2005 Chevrolet Camaro takes you to all the places you need to be - without a hitch - there is no need to buy the 2020 model.

I agree with you on this one @Regeneration

You don't need a NVME SSD a SATA based SSD does things really great compared to the old spinner drives.

With X58 you have the lanes for if you need a better audio, usb 3.0 or something more heavy you buy the add-in card and off you go.

Like @Regeneration with the Camaro if the car still drives and brakes but the audio is ain't good upgrade the radio and speakers and you can still drive a great car.

 

[EarthDog]

Hey, if you guys are good with it, that is fine. But the new camaro is a lot faster, it has has a shed load more features and abilities compared the 2005 model. I couldn't stand gaming on that or productivity compared to any 4c/8t or 6c/12t CPU today/I'd much rather have the 2020 model than 2005.

 

[snorlaxgangs]

I finally got a used 950 pro for $89. The seller is an ass but well it's worth it. Works great on Rampage II extreme with a no name pcie adapter. Noob question: why do some pcie adapter have capacitors while other don't?

 

[Tomgang]

Great to see my idea still doing purpose for others. Specially thinking about that x58 came out just about 11 1/2 years ago and I been on x58 for 11 years myself.

Can't believe I already have used my own 950 PRO for 3 years in my X58 and not a single problem so far.

Now I think of it, any one knows what have happened to user CAPSLOCKSTRUCK?
Have not seen him for a long time now. He whas a true X58 fan down to the bone.

 

[dorsetknob]

Now I think of it, any one knows what have happened to user CAPSLOCKSTRUCK?
Have not seen him for a long time now. He whas a true X58 fan down to the bone.

He is still Breathing that wet welsh Air
pre covid he had returned to construction industry.

 

[Tomgang]

He is still Breathing that wet welsh Air
pre covid he had returned to construction industry.

Ah i see. So he has returned to work and is alive and kicking. Good to hear.

 

[Regeneration]

X58 is the last Intel platform with great overclocking capabilities: BCLK, Bus strap, IMC, PCIe, DDR and CPU multiplier. Unlocked multiplier was exclusive to the high-end processors, but isn't a big deal since BCLK can be pushed by 70 percent on most processors.

 

[Tomgang]

X58 is the last Intel platform with great overclocking capabilities: BCLK, Bus strap, IMC, PCIe, DDR and CPU multiplier. Unlocked multiplier was exclusive to the high-end processors, but isn't a big deal since BCLK can be pushed by 70 percent on most processors.

I can only agree to that statement. With an I7 920 that I got from stock 2.8 ghz to 4.4 ghz all core and my current I7 980x running 4.4 ghz 24/7 and for benchmark taken to 4.75 ghz from stock all core clock of 3.43 ghz. Bofh cpu air-cooled. Try to take a modern cpu over 1 ghz or more over it stock clock. That will prove quite difficult, specially on air cooling.

 

[Vario]

I upgraded my father from 6c/12t W3680 at 4GHz all core, Asus P6X58D-E, 16GB DDR3 1600 and 240GB SATA SSD, to a 9900K at 4.6 GHz all core, ASRock Z390 Taichi, 32GB DDR4 3600 and 1TB 970 EVO (the i9 is underclocked undervolted due to aircooler and small case), its a noticeably faster system, particularly going to the NVME SSD. Around the time of SPECTRE/Meltdown, his X58 system seemed to get much slower, maybe it was a Windows 7 security fix. So I am in agreement with EarthDog, time to move on to newer machines at this point, though I am all for running a system a long time to really feel what an upgrade is like, rather than the upgrade every single year or every other year that a lot of people seem to do. He still has the X58 machine but doesn't operate it much anymore.

 

[Tomgang]

I upgraded my father from 6c/12t W3680, 16GB DDR3 1600 and SATA SSD at 4GHz all core to a 9900K, 32GB DDR4 3600 and 1TB 970 EVO at 4.6 GHz all core, its a noticeably system, particularly going to the NVME. Around the time of SPECTRE/Meltdown, his X58 system seemed to get much slower, maybe it was a Windows 7 security fix.

The older a cpu is, the harder specter and meltdown update hit its performance.

I whas also planing to upgrade to a Ryzen 9 3950X based system, but then that dam virus came and locked down my as others countries = goodbye job and no upgrade for who knows how long before I can get a job again. Untel then x58 will have to do it for me. I don't think it's a good idea to spend a lot of money on hardware jobless.

 

[freeagent]

I spent over 2k on my x58 when it was all new, I have a job and I am working everyday and I still can’t bring myself to drop that kind of coin again.

 

[Vario]

The older a cpu is, the harder specter and meltdown update hit its performance.

I whas also planing to upgrade to a Ryzen 9 3950X based system, but then that dam virus came and locked down my as others countries = goodbye job and no upgrade for who knows how long before I can get a job again. Untel then x58 will have to do it for me. I don't think it's a good idea to spend a lot of money on hardware jobless.

I spent over 2k on my x58 when it was all new, I have a job and I am working everyday and I still can’t bring myself to drop that kind of coin again.

Totally understand.

 

[snorlaxgangs]

Guys, which part of the samsung ssd 950 pro should i install the heatsink on?

 

[Shou Miko]

Guys, which part of the samsung ssd 950 pro should i install the heatsink on?

Why not the whole top? it will help the chips and controller and not just one of them.

 

[agent_x007]

On side which heatsink won't prevent drive from being locked in place.

 

[snorlaxgangs]

But isn't only the memory controller needed to be cool while the flash is better when it warms. It was something about data retention. I have a bunch of vram copper for old graphic and the size is actually fit. But i don't which one is the memory controller.

Edit: found the clip about ssd heatsink, skip to 7:50

 

[Shou Miko]

Then why not grap what we use back in the day on ram chips on back in the day?

Cobber should be great for that like these:


Link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Alphacool-GPU-RAM-Copper-Heatsinks/dp/B077VQTB6Q

I am not sure these fit but it's just a thought and then a thermalpad or paste.