M.2 SSD on old X58 system with M.2 PCI adaptor. Can it work?

[snorlaxgangs]

Then why not grap what we use back in the day on ram chips on back in the day?

Cobber should be great for that like these:

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Link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Alphacool-GPU-RAM-Copper-Heatsinks/dp/B077VQTB6Q

I am not sure these fit but it's just a thought and then a thermalpad or paste.

Yes i'm having similar once but a bit bigger. I just wanna know which one is the memory controller?

 

[Shou Miko]

Yes i'm having similar once but a bit bigger. I just wanna know which one is the memory controller?

That's pretty easy even my non-tech sis could do that and my better half that built her first computer ever last year can do that.

The big Samsung UBX Controller chip all the way to the right just above the m.2. connector that should be your controller.

Then you got the ram cache if I am not mistaking, then a small A0M5NB chip I do not know what is and then you have your storage.

 

[snorlaxgangs]

That's pretty easy even my non-tech sis could do that and my better half that built her first computer ever last year can do that.

The big Samsung UBX Controller chip all the way to the right just above the m.2. connector that should be your controller.

Then you got the ram cache if I am not mistaking, then a small A0M5NB chip I do not know what is and then you have your storage.

Yeah i really don't know. Mine was cover with a sticker which i learned is a thin copper strip, so i have no idea which one is underneath. Thanks anyway.

 

[Shou Miko]

Yeah i really don't know. Thanks anyway.

Your welcome, it wasn't to be mean, I just though people new about Samsung's in-house controller for their SSD's

 

[snorlaxgangs]

Your welcome, it wasn't to be mean, I just though people new about Samsung's in-house controller for their SSD's

i really don't know. I bought a gelid ssd heatsink then google a bit more about ssd then i found out not every part of ssd likes to be cold. Then i remember i have a bunch of small vram heat sink and it's easy to zip tied. I was in a bit hurry cuz the refund time was about to run out sry... Anyway i refund the gelid ssd heatsink. Was able do a quick comparison, the gelid one and random copper vram heatsink maxed out at 45*C at 30*C room temperature. All in all, i'm able to get my money back, and my ssd stay cool

 

[Shou Miko]

i really don't know. I bought a gelid ssd heatsink then google a bit more about ssd then i found out not every part of ssd likes to be cold. Then i remember i have a bunch of small vram heat sink and it's easy to zip tied. I was in a bit hurry cuz the refund time was about to run out sry... Anyway i refund the gelid ssd heatsink. Was able do a quick comparison, the gelid one and random copper vram heatsink maxed out at 45*C at 30*C room temperature. All in all, i'm able to get my money back, and my ssd stay cool

Ah great, I use just the heat shield that's on my board with a Noctua 140mm fan above the vrm heatsink to cool the vrm, vrm heatsink, around the aio pump and hope some makes it down to the nvme ssd

 

[Deleted member 197986]

Just wanted to share my thoughts here. I have a Delock 89961 PCI Express x16 Card installed on my Asus Sabertooth X58. It recognizes the Samsung 970 EVO. There should be a boot option on this card, but didn't try yet as I'm currently using it for faster loading of games and apps. Someone has this card and tried if it can boot? Will possibly try soon as my original SSD 100 Windows is ending its life.

 

[Regeneration]

This Delock 89961 card and probably other NVMe cards with Asmedia ASM2824 will work on X58 and old motherboards that don't support PCIe boot.

Benchmarks of I/O Crest SYBA SI-PEX40129 Dual M.2 NVMe SSD PCIe card in Mac Pro 5,1 running macOS Mojave

Reader report and benchmarks with a SYBA SI-PEX40129 Dual M.2 NVMe SSD PCIe Card in a Mac Pro 5,1 running macOS Mojave. Card is bootable with Mac Pro 5,1 EFI 140.0.0.0.0 and system info shows TRIM support.

www.xlr8yourmac.com

However, it is expensive, better to buy new motherboard+CPU.

 

[Deleted member 197986]

This Delock 89961 card and probably other NVMe cards with Asmedia ASM2824 will work on X58 and old motherboards that don't support PCIe boot.

Benchmarks of I/O Crest SYBA SI-PEX40129 Dual M.2 NVMe SSD PCIe card in Mac Pro 5,1 running macOS Mojave

Reader report and benchmarks with a SYBA SI-PEX40129 Dual M.2 NVMe SSD PCIe Card in a Mac Pro 5,1 running macOS Mojave. Card is bootable with Mac Pro 5,1 EFI 140.0.0.0.0 and system info shows TRIM support.

www.xlr8yourmac.com

However, it is expensive, better to buy new motherboard+CPU.

Thanks, I have this card and using it for one year now and currently getting the most out of this system as it works perfect with the Valve Index VR. New motherboard+CPU maybe in 10 years or so as I think that the progress of new development of CPUs et cetera is very slow.

 

[freeagent]

Have you used a new cpu? I can say my third gen destroys my first gen. I can’t even imagine “10th” gen. It would be laughable.

 

[agent_x007]

To boot NVMe on X58 you need to use Clover or DUET.

 

[snorlaxgangs]

Thanks, I have this card and using it for one year now and currently getting the most out of this system as it works perfect with the Valve Index VR. New motherboard+CPU maybe in 10 years or so as I think that the progress of new development of CPUs et cetera is very slow.

That's one expensive card. Since it doesn't depend on cpu or ioh, you can install pretty much any m.2 nvme out there right? Do u use raid in your x58? Post some benchmark man.

 

[Regeneration]

To boot NVMe on X58 you need to use Clover or DUET.

Unless the card comes with a bootable option ROM for legacy BIOS.

That's one expensive card. Since it doesn't depend on cpu or ioh, you can install pretty much any m.2 nvme out there right? Do u use raid in your x58? Post some benchmark man.

PCIe cards on the X58 x8/x16 slots put some pressure on the IOH.

 

[agent_x007]

Unless the card comes with a bootable option ROM for legacy BIOS.

Yes. Which Samsung 970 EVO (which @StarExplorer already bought) - doesn't have.

 

[Deleted member 197986]

That's one expensive card. Since it doesn't depend on cpu or ioh, you can install pretty much any m.2 nvme out there right? Do u use raid in your x58? Post some benchmark man.

With Delock 89961 in the 1st PCI-E x16 and GPU in 2nd PCI-E x16 (might be using riser cable to switch GPU back to 1st PCI-E) :

 

[snorlaxgangs]

Damn, that is fast for good old x58.

 

[strazbk]

Hello everyone.

My PC has MB MSI X58 PRO, and now I am thinking to make a little bit faster.
As I understood from this thread, to load your system from PCIE-2 connected SSD, it must be Samsung 950. Unfortunately nowadays it is quite hard to by one.
At the moment my PC is equiped with HDD (for games etc.) and SSD (for windows).
If i will buy a "Silicon Power P34A80 512GB", using adapter "Axagon PCEM2-1U PCI-E 3.0 16x - M.2 SSD NVMe" and connect it to PCI port, will it be possible to use it for games? (not as windows boot drive)

Thanks in advance.

 

[PPCnostalgic]

Your best bet will be a Samsung SM951 AHCI version. It will boot Windows as well (mine does) if you install Clover on another HD or even a USB pen drive.
(HP Z400 Xeon W3690 2x SM951 Raid Zero)

 

[agent_x007]

Just FYI : Using Clover or DUET for booting, bypasses ANY problems you may have with launching OS from NVMe drive on older platforms.

 

[Flyke]

I recently bought an XPG SX8200 Pro M.2 PCIe for my X58 ( Asus P6T Deluxe v2 ).
I bought an ICY Box PCIe extension card for it.

Downloaded DUET, installed on a USB stick. Transfered the partition from the usb stick to an older OCZ SATA II SSD.
I am now booting from the SSD which then boots from the PCIe.
It works quite well. I recommend it. I am still quite happy with my X58 system! Just need a new gfx card soon.

However I am not completely satisfied with the benchmarks seeing that other people can achieve >3k speeds.

GFX card is in slot 1, NVMe in slot 2.
Any tips?

 

[PPCnostalgic]

Try a Raid Zero like mine:

 

[strazbk]

Your best bet will be a Samsung SM951 AHCI version. It will boot Windows as well (mine does) if you install Clover on another HD or even a USB pen drive.
(HP Z400 Xeon W3690 2x SM951 Raid Zero)

Sounds good, but only what I want is to use PCI-E / M.2 SSD drive for games. That should not be a problem at all?

 

[Flyke]

Sounds good, but only what I want is to use PCI-E / M.2 SSD drive for games. That should not be a problem at all?

That should work 'out of the box'. I was considering doing the same when I recently bought an NVMe M.2. But I decided I wanted a clean install and use it as system drive for that little extra performance. Glad I did. Still wondering why Crystaldiskmark wont let me get better performance though.

 

[Vario]

I bought a used Samsung 950 Pro 512 for around $60 and it boots perfectly on P6X58DE out of the box with a $10 Inateck M2 adapter (actually rather nice adapter for the price, included heatsink, screw driver, thermal strips) https://www.amazon.com/Inateck-Adapter-Heatsink-Profile-SC05001-BK-US/dp/B07ZTCRMTM. Pretty happy so far.

Been running it without the heatsink and the 950 Pro mostly sits around 40 C so I won't put the heatsink on it.

 

[Rattyto]

Hi all, i have an ASUS Rampage III Extreme Motherboard x58 and would like to replace my RevoDrive 3 with the Delock 89961. As I understand, this should also work with the Samsung 970 Pro through the BIOS for booting without DUET/Refind. Correct? Would a hardware Raid 0 with 2 NVME storages also work?