Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[Vayra86]

Really does appear vaccination is the only way out

This is what virologists have been saying since day one, and years prior, with before and after every outbreak. Hygiene worked for the black plague but we're way past that - as was painfully shown in countries and pop. hubs the world over. Density creates new demands AND a higher frequency of outbreaks like this. Its really a natural correction for explosive growth.

History repeats. I wonder what we've actually learned this time or whether we're allowing ourselves to let fear consume common sense once more. Common sense including the acceptance of a certain amount of people dying and a much better consideration of stuff that is also important for those living. I think we have yet to see the long term damage of this pandemic, and its not a virus that keeps mutating. Its our age old belief, instinct even, to keep getting bigger, fatter, and more numerous.

Less really is more, I'm afraid, and its going to take a lot more to let that idea sink in for the majority.

 

[64K]

23 deaths in England yesterday. and steady incline from1,000 cases per day to almost 12k cases per day, almost entirely the Delta strain.

4000 fully vaccinated in Massachusetts test positive for Covid. something tells me there will be a variant that adapts itself to the vaccinated eventually, if it can mutate so quickly already... and adapt/grow stronger as it seems to be doing.

Israel also has several confirmed cases of positive tests for fully vaccinated.

nothing to worry about just yet (though those 23 deaths in England and rising cases their are a cause for concern since vast vast majority of people are vaccinated in England)

I think we are going to see 6-8 months of peace and then more lockdowns from a new variant worldwide. I truly hope I am wrong, but something about this virus is just different...

That being said, I hope I get a PlayStation 5 and OLED tv by then, I might as well, I can pretty much already kiss my England travel plans goodbye if this trend continues.

USA government today officially releasing info about myocardia risks for young men after second shot of Pfizer... my second shot is due the 29th, so I am interested to see what they say.

That's what concerns me and I'm not sure if taking the vaccine should be optional. The virus could mutate into something that the vaccine can't fight in the unvaccinated population. Do the anti-vax people really have a right to put all of us at risk that did what we were supposed to do?

The price of the PS5 is insane right now. As much as $1,500

 

[Caring1]

FDA to add warning about rare heart inflammation to Pfizer, Moderna vaccines

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration said on Wednesday it plans to move quickly to add a warning about rare cases of heart inflammation in adolescents and young adults to fact sheets for the Pfizer/BioNTech (PFE.N), and Moderna (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccines.

www.reuters.com

USA government today officially releasing info about myocardia risks for young men after second shot of Pfizer... my second shot is due the 29th, so I am interested to see what they say.

I'm pretty sure I read heart inflammation was a possible risk with AZ also, despite already having cardiomyopathy and an irregular rhythm I'm still getting my second shot.

 

[Ahhzz]

This was a quick, interesting read from CalTech that explained a leading scientist's thoughts on where the virus came from, and how it got "here". I particularly liked the part where I could understand all of what he was talking about lol!

TLDR from a dummy: The virus shows signs of a mutation that could happen in nature, but hasn't been seen yet (**quick edit) from viruses close to the same family. Another explanation is that it was man-modified. Either way, figuring out where it came from is critical, in that if it's natural, we need to work to keep a closer eye on other potential sources: in nature, zoos, etc. If it's artificial, then it's a good case for limiting these types of modifications to a higher "defense" lab.

 

[xkm1948]

This was a quick, interesting read from CalTech that explained a leading scientist's thoughts on where the virus came from, and how it got "here". I particularly liked the part where I could understand all of what he was talking about lol!

TLDR from a dummy: The virus shows signs of a mutation that could happen in nature, but hasn't been seen yet (**quick edit) from viruses close to the same family. Another explanation is that it was man-modified. Either way, figuring out where it came from is critical, in that if it's natural, we need to work to keep a closer eye on other potential sources: in nature, zoos, etc. If it's artificial, then it's a good case for limiting these types of modifications to a higher "defense" lab.

A broader review from a respected world top tier scientific journal would provide better view than a single researcher from a single university

The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do and don’t know

Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.

www.nature.com

Divisive COVID ‘lab leak’ debate prompts dire warnings from researchers

Allegations that COVID escaped from a Chinese lab make it harder for nations to collaborate on ending the pandemic — and fuel online bullying, some scientists say.

www.nature.com

Covid discussions remains a cesspool level of toxicity for most common folk discussion i had. Luckily as a researcher i get to interact with people outside of the “western” culture block. Sadly finger pointing is the norm for most common folks. And local media have been very good at fanning flame to fuel hatred.

Most researchers are good. Evidence and experiment based hypothesis driven research.

 

[Ahhzz]

A broader review from a respected world top tier scientific journal would provide better view than a single researcher from a single university

The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do and don’t know

Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.

www.nature.com

Divisive COVID ‘lab leak’ debate prompts dire warnings from researchers

Allegations that COVID escaped from a Chinese lab make it harder for nations to collaborate on ending the pandemic — and fuel online bullying, some scientists say.

www.nature.com

Covid discussions remains a cesspool level of toxicity for most common folk discussion i had. Luckily as a researcher i get to interact with people outside of the “western” culture block. Sadly finger pointing is the norm for most common folks. And local media have been very good at fanning flame to fuel hatred.

Most researchers are good. Evidence and experiment based hypothesis driven research.

I liked hearing from David Baltimore a bit more of an explanation regarding his "smoking gun" comment, and the main thing that I got from his response is that we really need to know what happened, not to point fingers, but to prevent it or be more alert for it in the future. I completely agree with you about the cesspool that is a Covid discussion.

One thing that I've seen as a recurring theme in so many articles I've read, is that we need to take the opportunity provided by this, and learn where we screwed up with the response this time, because there will be a next time. If nothing else, this has shown us that no matter how many times people are warned "This could be bad, prepare for it!" there's always people who will insist that there's nothing to worry about.

 

[Xzibit]

SciTechDaily: Tree Pollen Facilitates COVID-19 Virus Spread – Carries SARS-CoV-2 Particles Farther​

Yup its "The Happening"

 

[Caring1]

This was a quick, interesting read from CalTech that explained a leading scientist's thoughts on where the virus came from, and how it got "here". I particularly liked the part where I could understand all of what he was talking about lol!

TLDR from a dummy: The virus shows signs of a mutation that could happen in nature, but hasn't been seen yet (**quick edit) from viruses close to the same family. Another explanation is that it was man-modified. Either way, figuring out where it came from is critical, in that if it's natural, we need to work to keep a closer eye on other potential sources: in nature, zoos, etc. If it's artificial, then it's a good case for limiting these types of modifications to a higher "defense" lab.

Given the virus's propensity to mutate rather rapidly, it's within reason to assume it occurred naturally and may have originated from a bat colony as suspected.

 

[xkm1948]

I liked hearing from David Baltimore a bit more of an explanation regarding his "smoking gun" comment, and the main thing that I got from his response is that we really need to know what happened, not to point fingers, but to prevent it or be more alert for it in the future. I completely agree with you about the cesspool that is a Covid discussion.

One thing that I've seen as a recurring theme in so many articles I've read, is that we need to take the opportunity provided by this, and learn where we screwed up with the response this time, because there will be a next time. If nothing else, this has shown us that no matter how many times people are warned "This could be bad, prepare for it!" there's always people who will insist that there's nothing to worry about.

There wont be any definitive answer for a while. I have spoken in our group DM and I will say it again here. Lots of molecular clock based research that looks into RNA mutation rate and evolution origin of COVID19 have pointed to ancestral strain being vastly different from the originally thought ancestral Wuhan strain. Researchers are facing overwhelmingly amount of resistance trying to get some of these results out. In my career I have never seen so much political BS seeping into Academia. During the last years of Trump era there were systematic smearing against research professors of Chinese decedent. One of which here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/trial-...ding-china-work-ends-in-hung-jury-11623879264


Last year a postdoc friend of mine working in immunology department at my previous institution was beaten down by 2 while cycling home. He is Taiwanese. Simply because he looks Asian and that is all the excuses the attackers needed.


Honestly I have little hope going forward. As climate crisis worsens, more and more pathogen spill-over event will occur. Meanwhile nations will once again be too busy at pointing fingers at each other and fanning the hate within their own boarders. Not to mention the population within are on steroids attacking the very researchers that work on helping the population (See how much hate Dr. Fauci got since pandemic begin).


Sorry for the off topic. Feel free to delete if it is not fit.

 

[Xzibit]

Given the virus's propensity to mutate rather rapidly, it's within reason to assume it occurred naturally and may have originated from a bat colony as suspected.

Weren't there bats kept in the WIV

 

[R-T-B]

Weren't there bats kept in the WIV

Yes. That's what happens when you study bat viruses.

 

[the54thvoid]

Weren't there bats kept in the WIV

While almost definitely true, this is the type of story that is pushing the 'emotion' of blame. Wuhan lab studied bats for a reason. It was in Wuhan for a reason. A virus had been identified. A virus in, or near, a city with millions of people. Why dies everyone keep blaming the lab, when the lab was built because a virus was discovered in Wuhan. The virus existed prior to the lab, therefore, it's highly probable people in Wuhan had the virus for a while before it took a hold.

It's like saying the coast got windier because someone built a windfarm out at sea.

 

[Xzibit]

While almost definitely true, this is the type of story that is pushing the 'emotion' of blame. Wuhan lab studied bats for a reason. It was in Wuhan for a reason. A virus had been identified. A virus in, or near, a city with millions of people. Why dies everyone keep blaming the lab, when the lab was built because a virus was discovered in Wuhan. The virus existed prior to the lab, therefore, it's highly probable people in Wuhan had the virus for a while before it took a hold.

It's like saying the coast got windier because someone built a windfarm out at sea.

Well the video kind of goes into the history of the lab as well and the miss opportunities of the WHO scientist investigators. Which fail to ask simplest of questions.

For reference Daszak was denying they were bats at the WIV up until this month but he never even asked them given the opportunity nor did he even ask to see the database. He was also going to lead the U.N. backed investigation up until a day ago.

 

[the54thvoid]

Yeah, I agree. It's the fault of the Chinese government that so many fingers are pointing. We need to remember we're dealing with a system that doesn't tolerate dissent or failure. Wuhan (being likely source area) of the world's worst pandemic in a century is a huge embarrassment. The authorities want to escape blame but they're doing it in such a way they're making it worse.

 

[Space Lynx]

Honestly I have little hope going forward. As climate crisis worsens, more and more pathogen spill-over event will occur.

India Says New 'Delta Plus' Coronavirus Variant May Be More Transmissible

India has detected over 40 cases of a new coronavirus variant called "Delta Plus," which may be more transmissible and resistant to COVID-19 treatments.

www.npr.org

the Delta variant has already mutated and is more transmissible than original Delta variant. They are calling it Delta Plus, cause in the world of journalism, they so fancy. lol

I don't think you have to wait for a future pathogen, Covid is here to stay and will continue to grow, bolder, stronger, faster ~ que the kanye west song. lol

as I have said many times, I think we will see a period of peace for about 6 months to a year, eventually it will mutate and conquer the vaccines faster than they can create boosters, so far we are still lucky, but if its already mutated this fast, I don't see what's to stop it from mutating again in a month, and a month after that. plane travel is booming right now, 7 billion people, can't vaccinate them all fast enough.

even if you could, 4000+ fully vaccinated just tested positive in state of MA. science hasn't yet proven it can't mutate in those people yet either.

honestly I am still quite scared. I think Covid is a new beast the world has never seen before, I don't give a damn about its origins anymore. It's here, and it's here to stay. I just hope I am wrong, and in 6-8 months life will still be mostly normal.

 

[Caring1]

Sorry, not laughing at you, just the Kanye line got me.

 

[Space Lynx]

Sorry, not laughing at you, just the Kanye line got me.

let's just hope my hypothesis is wrong. if it's not, let me know if you want to go halves' on a log cabin and grow some food together in a couple years.

 

[joemama]

The virus could mutate faster, so the best we can do minimize the spread, as long as it doesn't spread, the mutation won't speed up.

 

[Space Lynx]

@Caring1

There are at least 200 known cases of the Delta Plus coronavirus variant worldwide. Here's what we know

A new and slightly changed version of the Delta coronavirus variant is spreading in a number of countries including the United Kingdom, United States and India, health officials say.

www.gwinnettdailypost.com

only a matter of time, all the plane travel in full bloom... and countries weren't even wise enough to require vaccine card before coming in their country... LOL I honestly don't even care anymore, just laughing like a madman at this point. there is no stopping Covid. it's going to mutate and mutate until it finally wins the jackpot. mRNA won't be able to keep up until there is another lockdown issues and 4k+ daily deaths again. Covid is here to stay.

We can't rely on countries to use any common sense, so we have to adapt. TIME TO GAME AND BUY LOG CABIN BOYS

love all the people where I live, think they are so tough cause they stopped wearing masks and are looking at me funny still for wearing one. LOL it's amazing to me how humans don't understand basic logic. you think this is the last mutation? it literally spreads faster with each mutation...

even with UK mostly all vaccinated, that curve is skyrocketing... its literally doubling every few days... at 15k positive rate now in one day... was 6k daily last week, and 1k daily week before that. vaccine may keep us from dying and hospital, but its not stopping this new variant from spreading. only a matter of time before it mutates again, probably with someone that has the vaccine, and it changes its spike into something new. keep giving me funny looks for wearing my mask at grocery store, i'm just playing the kanye west stronger song over and over at this point LMAO covid got an anthem boys!

UKHSA data dashboard

Showing public health data across England

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

 

[the54thvoid]

Israel removed their mask mandate last week (I think), but they've reinstated it as cases (relatively) surged.

Also, the UK figures look bad but the hospitalisations are way below what they were, same for deaths. The affected groups are largely younger with 0 or 1 doses. But even then, the infections aren't even serious in the majority of cases. What we're seeing is a disconnect between case level and threat but what's being reported on is the 'fear' of threat. Fact is, at the start of the pandemic, Covid19 wasn't a terribly nasty virus to most people (look at the asymptomatic rates). It was the ease of transmission that made it a killer by way of numbers and by way of no immunity. Look at it now; the older populations (double-dosed) aren't getting infected anywhere near as much and those who are (younger groups) aren't being hospitalised.

Scotland's positive cases by age. Notably, the death graph basically hits the 75-84 group hardest.

Despite what it looks like, things are far better now.

 

[Space Lynx]

Israel removed their mask mandate last week (I think), but they've reinstated it as cases (relatively) surged.

Also, the UK figures look bad but the hospitalisations are way below what they were, same for deaths. The affected groups are largely younger with 0 or 1 doses. But even then, the infections aren't even serious in the majority of cases. What we're seeing is a disconnect between case level and threat but what's being reported on is the 'fear' of threat. Fact is, at the start of the pandemic, Covid19 wasn't a terribly nasty virus to most people (look at the asymptomatic rates). It was the ease of transmission that made it a killer by way of numbers and by way of no immunity. Look at it now; the older populations (double-dosed) aren't getting infected anywhere near as much and those who are (younger groups) aren't being hospitalised.

Scotland's positive cases by age. Notably, the death graph basically hits the 75-84 group hardest.

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Despite what it looks like, things are far better now.

I 100% understand what you are saying and I agree. I simply mean that if we look at the past, the virus has mutated many times, in fact in one lady with an autoimmune disorder it mutated over 200 times in her alone... to think we have things under control now is a short term statement imo. I think Covid is something the world has never seen before, this is not Sars 1. This thing adapts way to fast, hence why it spreads faster each time it mutates... it's only a matter of time in the medium to long term, before Covid mutates again and is more deadly and spreads even faster than Delta + variant, keep in mind the Delta variant already has Pfizer and Moderna scratching their heads, 80% first shot efficacy down to 33% efficacy, sure the second shot takes care of it.

My point is Covid is going to be here forever, and its going to be a game of lockdowns when a new variant comes and mRNA booster update variants probably for rest of our lives. Don't know about you but I sure as hell hope I am wrong. I truly do hope I am wrong. Cause that world would suck.

I only hope if I am right... if I am right... I hope that countries get smarter in how they deal with it.

 

[HTC]

Despite the Government not saying so, yet: Portugal are already under a 4th wave, IMO: we are having higher numbers of new daily cases than we ever did during the 1st wave.

HOWEVER, and as a testament of the vaccine's impact, we have WAY fewer deaths and even fewer hospitalized / ICU because the vast majority of those more likely to have worse complications are partially / fully vaccinated.

Some areas have paused the re-opening process while others have actually gone back on theirs.

 

[Space Lynx]

Despite the Government not saying so, yet: Portugal are already under a 4th wave, IMO: we are having higher numbers of new daily cases than we ever did during the 1st wave.

HOWEVER, and as a testament of the vaccine's impact, we have WAY fewer deaths and even fewer hospitalized / ICU because the vast majority of those more likely to have worse complications are partially / fully vaccinated.

Some areas have paused the re-opening process while others have actually gone back on theirs.

I expect the United Kingdom will be in same shoes as Portugal in less than 3 weeks. I can probably kiss visiting there goodbye now. We'll see what it all looks like in a few weeks anyway.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I expect the United Kingdom will be in same shoes as Portugal in less than 3 weeks. I can probably kiss visiting there goodbye now. We'll see what it all looks like in a few weeks anyway.

Not sure what all the fuss is about TBH, I thought everyone knew that Covid will be with us for a long long time, so achieving a flu like scenario is not the answer for you? Even most of our caution led scientists are saying that very much like the flu, if the majority of the population is vaccinated and don't get seriously sick or die then how relevant are infection rates which will diminish once the last 20% of our adult population gets the needle in any case, we can all worry about variants this year and the next but if you worry too much about tomorrow you will lose today

In the UK since the delta variant was identified we have had 50 deaths as a direct result of it (reported on the news yesterday), these deaths were all over 50 year olds and almost exclusively one jab people or 2 jabs with significant underlying conditions, currently the under 30 year olds account for 98% of new infections and all the adult under 30's with underlying conditions have pretty much been double jabbed already. I really am not seeing anything that has not been anticipated, I mean the UK has opened up significantly in a staged manner over the last 3 months, of course infection rates are going to rise. I am not suggesting this is perfect by any means, for all of us it's a vaccination race against time.

 

[Space Lynx]

Not sure what all the fuss is about TBH, I thought everyone knew that Covid will be with us for a long long time, so achieving a flu like scenario is not the answer for you? Even most of our caution led scientists are saying that very much like the flu, if the majority of the population is vaccinated and don't get seriously sick or die then how relevant are infection rates which will diminish once the last 20% of our adult population gets the needle in any case, we can all worry about variants this year and the next but if you worry too much about tomorrow you will lose today

In the UK since the delta variant was identified we have had 50 deaths as a direct result of it (reported on the news yesterday), these deaths were all over 50 year olds and almost exclusively one jab people or 2 jabs with significant underlying conditions, currently the under 30 year olds account for 98% of new infections and all the adult under 30's with underlying conditions have pretty much been double jabbed already. I really am not seeing anything that has not been anticipated, I mean the UK has opened up significantly in a staged manner over the last 3 months, of course infection rates are going to rise. I am not suggesting this is perfect by any means, for all of us it's a vaccination race against time.

you are indeed correct. honestly my relatives, friends have their pfizer, and ill have my second shot in 3 days... yolo!!!! i miss England... got to live before you die. you are right about that. as long as i do everything i can to be smart about it and wear a good mask on the plane, etc. it should all be fine.