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[ShiBDiB]

Nurse friend who works in an urgent care near me had a family of 4 come in tonight, all fully vaccinated, all tested positive for covid after traveling somewhere the delta variant was..

So things might get spicy again soon.

 

[Xzibit]

how is it a privilege list? I am genuinely curious seeing as how the vaccine is readily available for months now to anyone who wants it here (USA as a whole)

How would it not be? Person is sick and proposing a pecking order (seperating them by prior actions into less deserving group)

 

[Space Lynx]

How would it not be? Person is sick and proposing a pecking order (seperating them by prior actions into less deserving group)

Again I don't know what you mean, anyone who wants vaccine since May/early June, regardless of where you live in USA has been able to get it, at a grocery store, wal-mart, anywhere really. Old people got it first.

 

[Space Lynx]

Nurse friend who works in an urgent care near me had a family of 4 come in tonight, all fully vaccinated, all tested positive for covid after traveling somewhere the delta variant was..

So things might get spicy again soon.

yep, that really sucks. i'm really really glad my job is remote right now... just wish it was full time remote...

 

[R-T-B]

Like a priority privilege list

Vaccinated 40 state avg as of July 6
Asian - 62%
Whites - 47%
Hispanic - 39%
Blacks - 34%

Washington
Asian - 76%
Whites - 50%
Blacks - 46%
Hispanic - 39%

California
Asian - 68%
Whites - 58%
Blacks - 43%
Hispanic - 42%

New York
Asian - 79%
Whites - 52%
Hispanic - 47%
Blacks - 36%

I'm unsure why race would change my opinion on that at all.

 

[Xzibit]

Again I don't know what you mean, anyone who wants vaccine since May/early June, regardless of where you live in USA has been able to get it, at a grocery store, wal-mart, anywhere really. Old people got it first.

The privilage part is just a response to @R-T-B. The list is just to show that this idea of "anti-vax, conspiracy" label people want to put on the group entails far more then just "weird" people or what been tossed around on media. Just look at the numbers.

If a vax person and a non vax person show up and the vax person get slotted in line for the respirator because he was vax its a privilage where the non-vax person has to wait until all the vax person go first.

 

[R-T-B]

The privilage part is just a response to @R-T-B. The list is just to show that this idea of "anti-vax, conspiracy" label people want to put on the group entails far more then just "weird" people or what been tossed

I don't know why you think it's some big revelation that I would be surprised by that figure. Those groups are often inherently distrustful of western medicine because it has at times in our history, been used against them. That still does not apply in modern times to anyone capable of doing a minor amount of research beyond social media. I maintain my stance: unless you have a medical exemption, you get last slot for being dumb and further contributing to the spread of the virus.

This isn't news to me, and yet it changes nothing.

 

[Xzibit]

Exactly. It's not a priviledge list, it's a choice list.

The vax is a choice. Being put in front of others is a privilage

a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.

 

[R-T-B]

The vax is a choice. Being put in front of others is a privilage

And you have the choice to get that priviledge.

 

[Xzibit]

And you have the choice to get that priviledge.

Let me know how that goes then when you tell half of PoC they need to get in the back of the line for their respirator.

 

[64K]

There is no privilege list here in the USA. We're drowning in an ocean of vaccine. I was in the Publix a few weeks ago and near the pharmacy there was a lady there at a booth stopping customers and asking them if they would like to be vaccinated. Naturally it was the J&J vaccine since they couldn't guarantee a person would follow up for a booster shot. Anyone that wants to be vaccinated can easily get a vaccine for free.

 

[Space Lynx]

There is no privilege list here in the USA. We're drowning in an ocean of vaccine. I was in the Publix a few weeks ago and near the pharmacy there was a lady there at a booth stopping customers and asking them if they would like to be vaccinated. Naturally it was the J&J vaccine since they couldn't guarantee a person would follow up for a booster shot. Anyone that wants to be vaccinated can easily get a vaccine for free.

Also, don't get the wrong idea of my previous posts, I AM VERY HAPPY I got my first shot of Pfizer. Covid almost killed me in November, that is ultimately what made the decision for me to get it.

 

[R-T-B]

Let me know how that goes then when you tell half of PoC they need to get in the back of the line for their respirator.

or a vaccine.

We can do this all day. Your point is not what you want it to be.

 

[Xzibit]

or a vaccine.

We can do this all day. Your point is not what you want it to be.

You explained it yourself. Your displeased with those who don't get vax. I understand that but going as far as to wanting to deny them a respirator at their sickest point is just cruel. Maybe you don't see it but the implications of that thought would disproportionately hit PoC more. I wouldn't care if they were vax or not. First come first served or severity of illness.

 

[R-T-B]

You explained it yourself. Your displeased with those who don't get vax. I understand that but going as far as to wanting to deny them a respirator at their sickest point is just cruel.

If hospitals are overloaded and hard choices have to be made, no?

I don't mean just deny them it outright. But they are contributing to the spread of the disease willingly if it reaches that point. There's really no two ways about it, or any other way to say it.

It's a moot point anyways because we both know it'll never happen at least in the states. Even I'll admit that.

 

[the54thvoid]

Looking at viral evolution, blaming those in one country who choose not to be vaccinated ignores the problem that elsewhere there will be millions globally who remain unvaccinated. In those populations, the virus can replicate and mutate more readily, changing with more effective strains every year. This is known. It WILL happen; it's not a matter of winning. Covid19 is on track to become a seasonal illness that will always kill people. As the years tick by, we'll accept that, as we do with flu.

The flipside is that we need to accept people's choices and move on. Yes, vaccinated people can still catch covid but it presents very little threat to that group. It also presents very little threat to the under 50's and almost zero threat to younger demographics. Truth is, vaccines were always going to be the only realistic way of coping with the pandemic, making it a seasonal bug. It'll take more lives than flu based on vaccination reluctance among so many people but in time, as they die, their peers will come round and realise the importance of getting a shot.

Ultimately, it's about personal choice and group responsibility. Ask yourself why you don't drive at 70mph through a school zone? You might kill kids. It's safer for them that you drive slow. Ask yourself why you don't get a vaccine but insist on seeing elderly friends or relatives. You have your freedoms but those freedoms impact others. It's a simple matter of ethics. Except, those ethics are mired in public opinion, politics, culture identity and a lack of understanding of science and efficacy.

TL;DR. All my immediate family and friends are vaxxed. We'll be fine. I can worry about other things now.

 

[claes]

Yeah but black and brown people have already been disproportionately affected by Covid. Y’all are missing the forest for the trees.

 

[the54thvoid]

Yeah but black and brown people have already been disproportionately affected by Covid. Y’all are missing the forest for the trees.

As have poor people and those in areas of deprivation (my country). So we ask why? Because in the UK, healthcare is universal, so why are poorer folk getting hit harder? I can't speak of US issues but I do understand the health issues of poverty and the very controversial associations with education, cheap fast-food, and generally poorer mortality (pre-covid) due to lifestyle choices*. It's not so much a racial issue in the UK (probably because of the NHS) but we do know from the stats and surverys, PoC were vaccine averse for various reasons.

* I have to stress, poor physical health is a lifestyle choice (derived somewhat from parenting, peer group, and education) when your healthcare is free. So this argument can't be extrapolated to any other country where healthcare has a cost. FWIW, I work with health referral systems in exercise settings so I liaise with the medical profession frequently. I see the correlations of specific health issues with deprivation.

 

[claes]

I mean sure, poverty = poorer health. I just meant that if you start prioritizing care for vaccinated patients in preference to non-vaccinated people then you risk further prejudice to already marginalized/impoverished communities.

 

[Xzibit]

Its not really a risk its a given by the numbers. Depriving people of something they would otherwise receive especially in a dire medical setting is all kinds of wrong. Proposing things be taken away or being put at the back of the line or wait it out until others go first is a thought process that's never worked out well before and will contribute to further widen racial and ethic disparities.

As have poor people and those in areas of deprivation (my country). So we ask why? Because in the UK, healthcare is universal, so why are poorer folk getting hit harder? I can't speak of US issues but I do understand the health issues of poverty and the very controversial associations with education, cheap fast-food, and generally poorer mortality (pre-covid) due to lifestyle choices*. It's not so much a racial issue in the UK (probably because of the NHS) but we do know from the stats and surverys, PoC were vaccine averse for various reasons.

* I have to stress, poor physical health is a lifestyle choice (derived somewhat from parenting, peer group, and education) when your healthcare is free. So this argument can't be extrapolated to any other country where healthcare has a cost. FWIW, I work with health referral systems in exercise settings so I liaise with the medical profession frequently. I see the correlations of specific health issues with deprivation.

Are you talking about the CRED report ?

It cites deprivation, geography and differential exposure to key risk factors as the major drivers of health inequalities but fails to include ethnicity.

If you don't look at you'll never know your doing damage to it.

Wasn't it widely criticized or was that the other one ?

We identified clear differences in outcome according to ethnic background. Black and Asian patients were respectively 30% and 49% more likely to die within 30 days of hospital admission compared to patients from white backgrounds of a similar age and baseline health. Black patients were 80% and Asian patients 54% more likely to be admitted to intensive care and need invasive mechanical ventilation.

When we accounted for the role played by underlying health conditions, lifestyle, and demographic factors, this did not alter the increased risk of death in Black and Asian populations.

Covid-19 among people of black African descent in English hospitals was 3.5 times higher when compared to rates among white British people This disparity was not only limited to the black Africans as death rates among those of Pakistani and black Caribbean backgrounds were 2.7 and 1.7 higher respectively.

Even NHS staff

Emerging data shows that people of BAME backgrounds have accounted for 63% of all Covid-19 related deaths among NHS staff, 64% of deaths of nursing and support staff and 95% of deaths of medical staff

 

[the54thvoid]

Its not really a risk its a given by the numbers. Depriving people of something they would otherwise receive especially in a dire medical setting is all kinds of wrong. Proposing things be taken away or being put at the back of the line or wait it out until others go first is a thought process that's never worked out well before and will contribute to further widen racial and ethic disparities.



Are you talking about the CRED report ?

If you don't look at you'll never know your doing damage to it.

Wasn't it widely criticized or was that the other one ?




Even NHS staff

CRED? No idea what that is. As for NHS staff, in England, there are a large number of immigrant nurses. Ironic for our current xenophobic immigration policy.

But why do BAME staff experience higher Covid issues? I'd like to know why. Using stats is fine but they don't explain mechanisms. Before vaccinations it could be explained by a high level of foreign staff. But this year, is it due to cultural aversion to vaccines?

 

[Xzibit]

CRED? No idea what that is. As for NHS staff, in England, there are a large number of immigrant nurses. Ironic for our current xenophobic immigration policy.

But why do BAME staff experience higher Covid issues? I'd like to know why. Using stats is fine but they don't explain mechanisms. Before vaccinations it could be explained by a high level of foreign staff. But this year, is it due to cultural aversion to vaccines?

CRED - Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities. The blow back it got was due to its dismissiveness of minority treatment. Even suggesting Asians shouldn't feel bad because they live longer in relation to COVID-19 among other things.

 

[claes]

Why are some groups of people more at risk of being affected by COVID-19?

Understand how underlying health conditions, the places where people live and work, and racism can affect who becomes seriously ill with COVID-19.

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[Tatty_Two]

In reality it's not just a minorities issue, as the54thVoid has said, it's pretty much all lower income families and individuals, certainly in the UK, these are the people who cannot afford to self isolate because their employers won't cover the costs and the state benefit they are entitled to won't put food on the table and pay the bills, therefore they put themselves and others within their communities at much higher risk, of course in terms of our minority communities many live in large multi generational homes that further increase the risk of community infection and there is much reliable research that shows when they do catch coronavirus there are at significantly higher risks for some of severe disease and death.

 

[HTC]

Here are Portugal's updated numbers this week.



The pics are, in order, last day updated numbers and every day since then until today's numbers (click for full picture), and the below numbers are current totals, week totals and daily averaged this week:

- 45302 active cases --- 7178 more --- 1025 more per day
- 845516 recovered --- 11664 more --- 1666 more per day
- 17156 fatalities --- 44 more --- 6 more per day
- 907974 confirmed infected --- 18886 more --- 2698 more per day

- 13854788 tests taken --- 521907 more --- 65238 more per day but was last updated July 8th and it includes antigen tests as well
- 9625694 vaccinated --- 565126 more --- last updated last Thursday but that corresponds to 5915601 1st doses + 3710093 2nd doses
- 672 hospitalized --- 105 more --- 15 more per day
- 153 in ICU --- 25 more --- 4 more per day

The main report wasn't published yesterday, so i had to use the situation report instead.

Week fatalities increased VS last week: the week average has dropped below 10 for the 15th consecutive week. The R number increased to 1.19 on average. Roughly 58.8% of Portugal's population has received the vaccine's 1st dose and roughly 36.8% have received both doses. We've also crossed 900K infected this week.