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[Xzibit]

I read something on this a while back. I'm sure the boost in immunity will be welcome but I wonder at what point it will cause health problems to keep taking more and more vaccine.

Its under "Emergency status" so expect liability immunity to be extended if its granted.

How many Jabs can a boxer take before he gets knocked out?. If they start offering GPUs for it though (RX 6700XT or above) I might have to start visiting all lower 48s

 

[the54thvoid]

I read something on this a while back. I'm sure the boost in immunity will be welcome but I wonder at what point it will cause health problems to keep taking more and more vaccine.

People get annual flu jabs. It's no biggie, those jabs are revised annually to match new strains.

Besides, discussing prolonged damage seems pointless when practically every processed commodity: petrol/gas (benzene vapours), furniture stuffing, overcooked meat, cigarettes, alcohol, nitrogen oxide pollution etc etc... has carcinogenic properties.

Modern life is a killer.

 

[ThrashZone]

People get annual flu jabs. It's no biggie, those jabs are revised annually to match new strains.

Besides, discussing prolonged damage seems pointless when practically every processed commodity: petrol/gas (benzene vapours), furniture stuffing, overcooked meat, cigarettes, alcohol, nitrogen oxide pollution etc etc... has carcinogenic properties.

Modern life is a killer.

Hi,
Flu jabs are tested a long time unlike the covid jabs

 

[the54thvoid]

Hi,
Flu jabs are tested a long time unlike the covid jabs

They're made every year in anticpation of the next mutation:

FDA-approved Flu Vaccines Are Safe and Effective

Flu viruses constantly evolve. The flu vaccine you get is the year-round work of highly skilled microbiologists, epidemiologists, physicians and other experts.

www.fda.gov

flu viruses are constantly evolving. And the flu viruses that circulate causing disease in people, often change from one year to another. So, every year, there is a need for a new flu vaccine.

The Covid vaccines were fast-tracked using huge financial resources that conventional vaccines dont receive. The AZ vaccine delivery system was developed after SARS-I. It only required the viral shell to be made ready.

 

[claes]

I think that is why they are re-opening back up though, they know most are vaxxed and the economy has to go on at some point.

FTFY — daily cases are back to where they were in January. I’m not sure that qualifies as “life going on.”

Hi,
Flu jabs are tested a long time unlike the covid jabs

Not when you account for seasonality

The Covid vaccines were fast-tracked using huge financial resources that conventional vaccines dont receive. The AZ vaccine delivery system was developed after SARS-I. It only required the viral shell to be made ready.

To emphasize, “fast-track,” in the US, just means that it was prioritized on a long list of drugs to be approved by the FDA. The vaccines still went through all of the normal protocols and trials that are required of any drug, like the flu shot, but was “fast-tracked” because hundreds of thousands of people were dying

 

[Space Lynx]

FTFY — daily cases are back to where they were in January. I’m not sure that qualifies as “life going on.”

you are taking it out of context though. daily cases sure, but not hospitalizations. vaccines saved the day. get your second shot is the name of the game.

and pfizer's third shot when that gets approved.

 

[HTC]

you are taking it out of context though. daily cases sure, but not hospitalizations. vaccines saved the day. get your second shot is the name of the game.

and pfizer's third shot when that gets approved.

While a 3rd shot may eventually be required, it seems more logical to me that we get as many people we can with 2 doses (or 1 dose, depending on the vaccine) WORLDWIDE in order to help deny further mutations that may appear: the longer the period without vaccines, the bigger the odds of new mutations and, if we're UNLUCKY, one of them MIGHT be a lot more resistant to the current vaccines, and that is something NOBODY wants.

 

[Space Lynx]

While a 3rd shot may eventually be required, it seems more logical to me that we get as many people we can with 2 doses (or 1 dose, depending on the vaccine) WORLDWIDE in order to help deny further mutations that may appear: the longer the period without vaccines, the bigger the odds of new mutations and, if we're UNLUCKY, one of them MIGHT be a lot more resistant to the current vaccines, and that is something NOBODY wants.

the CDC and FDA just announced together in joint statement --- they told Pfizer no approval will be given for the third shot.

 

[dirtyferret]

Modern life is a killer.

We have a problem in the USA were a large group of idiots believe a con man with six bankruptcies (and a seventh one coming soon) who can barely spell his own children's names over a guy who graduated first in class from Cornell medical school, a national leader in HIV, swine flu, and ebola research plus has been director of the NIAD for almost four decades.

 

[Space Lynx]

We have a problem in the USA were a large group of idiots believe a con man with six bankruptcies (and a seventh one coming soon) who can barely spell his own children's names over a guy who graduated first in class from Cornell medical school, a national leader in HIV, swine flu, and ebola research plus has been director of the NIAD for almost four decades.

People from Cornell? They can't even figure out how to cook beets right. ~ Dwight Schrute

On topic - I most likely will be getting my second shot soon...

 

[64K]

We have a problem in the USA were a large group of idiots believe a con man with six bankruptcies (and a seventh one coming soon) who can barely spell his own children's names over a guy who graduated first in class from Cornell medical school, a national leader in HIV, swine flu, and ebola research plus has been director of the NIAD for almost four decades.

What I keep seeing is that 25% of Americans say they won't be getting any vaccine for various reasons.

 

[Space Lynx]

What I keep seeing is that 25% of Americans say they won't be getting any vaccine for various reasons.

the best argument they make is when they say you can't compare apples to oranges, after a doctor says no vaccine in history has ever had symptoms long term, but no vaccine has ever used mrna either. so i don't think its fair to compare apples to oranges, and the FDA adding myocardia to the warning label 1 year after its initial mass use, didn't really help that argument any.

not saying I agree with them, but I do understand... that you can't compare apples to oranges. it really surprises me doctors keep saying that. there have also been reports that the spike proteins the mrna vaccine makes, some of them don't stick to your muscle like they should, very very tiny percentage escape into the blood stream, doctors say the liver takes care of those so no worry about it.

but before they said it was never supposed to happen, the antibodies would go to the muscle and take care of ALL the spike proteins made.

the story changes. it scares people. i get it honestly.

i got my first shot of pfizer, but i am still scared to get my second one.

 

[dirtyferret]

i got my first shot of pfizer, but i am still scared to get my second one.

My wife and I both received our pfizer shots back in April with little issue. Most of the people in my office (some around your age I would assume) also had their pfizer shots with no issues.

 

[the54thvoid]

2nd Pfizer was a non-event. Wife had a wee rash but nothing more.

 

[dragontamer5788]

I got Moderna, so no personal experience / anecdote to share about Pfizer.

Delta has shown that the 1st shot is no longer sufficient. The 2nd shot is necessary if you want to protect yourself against Delta. Probably bad news for J&J once again (who seemed to be betting on a single-shot regiment)... though I don't think J&J has really been tested vs Delta yet (Delta is pretty new).

Though 1-shot does stop severe illness / hospitalization. So its still better than nothing. But if we're aiming for herd immunity, we want to get "vaccinated enough" that we don't get sick anymore so that the virus has no chance to evolve at all.

 

[Space Lynx]

I got Moderna, so no personal experience / anecdote to share about Pfizer.

Delta has shown that the 1st shot is no longer sufficient. The 2nd shot is necessary if you want to protect yourself against Delta. Probably bad news for J&J once again (who seemed to be betting on a single-shot regiment)... though I don't think J&J has really been tested vs Delta yet (Delta is pretty new).

Though 1-shot does stop severe illness / hospitalization. So its still better than nothing. But if we're aiming for herd immunity, we want to get "vaccinated enough" that we don't get sick anymore so that the virus has no chance to evolve at all.

I already linked it before, germany, france, and so on have all agreed that if you had covid and had symptoms - 1 shot of pfizer gives you more antibodies than someone with no covid and both shots of pfizer. so i am technically more protected than you right now.

2nd Pfizer was a non-event. Wife had a wee rash but nothing more.

not sure if no one read my post or what, but I was saying long term symptoms... hence the apples and oranges reference... i understand short term its fine.

 

[dragontamer5788]

I already linked it before, germany, france, and so on have all agreed that if you had covid and had symptoms - 1 shot of pfizer gives you more antibodies than someone with no covid and both shots of pfizer. so i am technically more protected than you right now.

You're deviating from the largest scale trial (what hundreds-of-millions of Americans are doing to themselves) and basically experimenting upon yourself. I don't recommend it at all.

Antibody measurements are "indirect". They're not the kind of high-quality study that constitutes even a phase 3 trial (which is a placebo vs vaccine study). Different studies have different "quality", and you're purposefully choosing to believe in a low-quality study (indirect antibody measurements over like 50 people) and go against the results of the high-quality studies (adversarial placebo vs vaccine studies over tens-of-thousands of individuals).

I'd recommend you go through the trial that tens-of-thousands of individuals tested last year in the FDA Phase 3 trials, and the same trial that has been tested by hundreds-of-millions of Americans today. That is: finishing the 2-phase treatment exactly as tested with as little deviation as possible.

 

[Space Lynx]

You're deviating from the largest scale trial (what hundreds-of-millions of Americans are doing to themselves) and basically experimenting upon yourself. I don't recommend it at all.

Antibody measurements are "indirect". They're not the kind of high-quality study that constitutes even a phase 3 trial (which is a placebo vs vaccine study). Different studies have different "quality", and you're purposefully choosing to believe in a low-quality study (indirect antibody measurements over like 50 people) and go against the results of the high-quality studies (adversarial placebo vs vaccine studies over tens-of-thousands of individuals).

I'd recommend you go through the trial that tens-of-thousands of individuals tested last year in the FDA Phase 3 trials, and the same trial that has been tested by hundreds-of-millions of Americans today. That is: finishing the 2-phase treatment exactly as tested with as little deviation as possible.

are you stating you are smarter than all of the scientists in Germany and France then? BioNTech the ones who developed this are in Germany... I am confident I can trust their recommendation for now. most studies actually show waiting longer than 3 weeks produced more antibodies than in those who got it at 3 weeks. in the UK anyway.

so even if i get it in a couple weeks i should be better off than most people who listened to the early advice.

 

[dragontamer5788]

are you stating you are smarter than all of the scientists in Germany and France then? BioNTech the ones who developed this are in Germany... I am confident I can trust their recommendation for now. most studies actually show waiting longer than 3 weeks produced more antibodies than in those who got it at 3 weeks. in the UK anyway.

so even if i get it in a couple weeks i should be better off than most people who listened to the early advice.

I'm saying you are fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of those studies, without passing judgement upon the study itself.

An antibody test would be closer to what happens at Phase 1 or Phase 2. Its not meant for large scale advice yet. Its a study to be done before a major practical study (a phase 3 study) is done. Studies to know whether or not a phase 3 trial should be conducted, because phase 3 style studies are very expensive.

You're taking evidence from (effectively) a phase 1 or phase 2 trial, and deciding to shortcut the rest of the process and decide its good enough for you already.

 

[Space Lynx]

I'm saying you are fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of those studies, without passing judgement upon the study itself.

I'm not, it's a supply issue for them, it doesn't change the fact they consider one shot safe in those who previously had symptoms with covid, if they didn't feel it was safe they wouldn't be telling them not to worry about second shot for now.

Keep in mind, we are all going to need 3 shots eventually, its only a matter of time, if you can space it out long enough... probably is smartest.

Cause 3 shots won't be enough either. Not with people flying on planes not being required to be vaccinated, etc. covid is here to stay. we will be on our 4th or 5th shot in a couple years.

 

[dragontamer5788]

I'm not, it's a supply issue for them, it doesn't change the fact they consider one shot safe in those who previously had symptoms with covid, if they didn't feel it was safe they wouldn't be telling them not to worry about second shot for now.

Keep in mind, we are all going to need 3 shots eventually, its only a matter of time, if you can space it out long enough... probably is smartest.

Cause 3 shots won't be enough either. Not with people flying on planes not being required to be vaccinated, etc. covid is here to stay. we will be on our 4th or 5th shot in a couple years.

You live in the USA. We have plenty of vaccine. There's no supply issue. You can get your 2nd shot today from a variety of hospitals, pharmacies, or whatever. Maybe its a relevant discussion point for other countries, but you're not over there. You're here.

We're flooding with vaccine. So many anti-vaxxers are sitting around not taking it that its pissing me off (and I would support the export of it, because its not fair for us to be holding onto so many shots when other people in the world are waiting for the vaccine).

 

[Tatty_Two]

are you stating you are smarter than all of the scientists in Germany and France then? BioNTech the ones who developed this are in Germany... I am confident I can trust their recommendation for now. most studies actually show waiting longer than 3 weeks produced more antibodies than in those who got it at 3 weeks. in the UK anyway.

so even if i get it in a couple weeks i should be better off than most people who listened to the early advice.

And that's the thing with Coronavirus, vaccines and biology, you could still get it worse, and it does not change the fact that as I said before, your natural/vaccine immunity theory goes down the toilet (to a certain degree) if you catch a variant that you had not caught previously, if you caught the original strain how predominant is that strain now in the US? Because it no longer exists in the UK so really at the very least one question you should be asking yourself is how well would your natural immunity cope with the Delta variant?

 

[Space Lynx]

You live in the USA. We have plenty of vaccine. There's no supply issue. You can get your 2nd shot today from a variety of hospitals, pharmacies, or whatever.

Did you not read the studies I linked before from France and Germany? They said second shot can actually lower antibodies in people with previous covid 19 that had severe symptoms and had 1 shot of pfizer.

1 shot of pfizer is the sweet spot in those who specifically had covid with severe symptoms, thats what the latest study showed that i read out of germany/france. wasn't a fake website, was nature journal... so... and verified by several universities.

Many people who’ve been infected with the coronavirus might be able to safely skip the second jab of any two-dose vaccine regimen, a growing number of studies suggest.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Did you not read the studies I linked before from France and Germany? They shot second shot can actually lower antibodies in people with previous covid 19 that had severe symptoms and had 1 shot of pfizer.

Do you not understand that antibody measurements are not a real test, and only constitute a Phase 1 or Phase 2 style study?

Phase 3 is a real test. Placebo vs the Vaccine in a population that does not know if it has gotten the vaccine or placebo. The best of the best of tests. A lot of these "cheaper studies" are about convincing the government to give them money to actually conduct a Phase 3 test.

 

[Space Lynx]

Do you not understand that antibody measurements are not a real test, and only constitute a Phase 1 or Phase 2 style study?

then why would these scientists say its safe???

Is one vaccine dose enough if you’ve had COVID? What the science says

Research shows that a previous coronavirus infection plus one dose of vaccine provides powerful protection — but concerns linger.

www.nature.com