[Official] HP Reverb G2

[xkm1948]

Ah but past actions are the best indicator of future actions.

IIRC HTC partnered with Valve to develop the HTC Vive and some derivative HTC VR HMD's benefited from it. Valve jumped in the market with the Valve Index and now HTC has removed themselves from the retail segment of the market presumably because they simply can't complete.

It really wouldn't take much for Valve to make a cheaper HMD even if they designed one with inside out tracking.

Or,.....

While I don't think its technically possible, what if the Valve Index HMD can use its front port to add in stand alone HMD support and inside out tracking,.......?

HTC is selling plenty of Cosmos with inside out tracking with optional base station support. Their hardware are actually not that bad considering HTC actually have a good wireless system co-developed with Intel.

 

[Space Lynx]

I think I am holding off one or two more years on VR. I really think it is getting close to a major leap. I don't know why I think that though, I guess the Index is promising proof. The Index with the Reverb G2 resolution, with rtx 3080 gpu at 120hz... hmmm we might be talking then, at $899... won't ever happen I know, but hey I can dream

 

[xkm1948]

I think I am holding off one or two more years on VR. I really think it is getting close to a major leap. I don't know why I think that though, I guess the Index is promising proof. The Index with the Reverb G2 resolution, with rtx 3080 gpu at 120hz... hmmm we might be talking then, at $899... won't ever happen I know, but hey I can dream

You would benefit a lot by just entering the playground, say a Quest 2. It is relatively cheap so you wont be worrying too much about breaking.

Dude at some point you gotta stop waiting for next gen. There will ALWAYS be a better gen next year. You gotta live in the present times.

 

[Octavean]

Indeed,.....

I was mainly just trying to point out how HTC's collaboration with Valve worked out for HTC. Valve essentially took the same tech in the cooperative effort and made their own inhouse HMD (making it better) and HTC is now out of the retail market.


If HP collaborated with Valve on the G2, then Valve is in a very good position to release a similar product using the same or similar tech at the same targeted price point.

I'm not saying that they will, just that they could and that they have in the past.

That is not competition for the ~$300 Quest 2 either way though.

 

[Mindweaver]

I think I am holding off one or two more years on VR. I really think it is getting close to a major leap. I don't know why I think that though, I guess the Index is promising proof. The Index with the Reverb G2 resolution, with rtx 3080 gpu at 120hz... hmmm we might be talking then, at $899... won't ever happen I know, but hey I can dream

I think the major leap is happening now. I don't think most people understand how big of a leap in resolution the G2 or even the quest 2 really is over older headsets like the Vive and OG Rift. The Rift S looks better than the OG Quest and much better than the Vive and Rift. I think the next round maybe next year will be FOV increase.

 

[Space Lynx]

I think the major leap is happening now. I don't think most people understand how big of a leap in resolution the G2 or even the quest 2 really is over older headsets like the Vive and OG Rift. The Rift S looks better than the OG Quest and much better than the Vive and Rift. I think the next round maybe next year will be FOV increase.

stop trying to destroy my savings account! you know i want to pre-order... lol

honestly i would have pre-ordered if HP had a regular store or website to buy from, but I don't trust this random company called "connection" that is the only way to pre-order g2 reverb... eh i will wait for a more trusted store i can buy from that i know has easy returns if i end up not liking it. usually third party stores like this make it a hassle on purpose if you need to return something. 99% chance won't need to return but you never know.

 

[Octavean]

You would benefit a lot by just entering the playground, say a Quest 2. It is relatively cheap so you wont be worrying too much about breaking.

Dude at some point you gotta stop waiting for next gen. There will ALWAYS be a better gen next year. You gotta live in the present times.

I'm not one to try and push people into vr or try to convince them either way.

I'll just say this:

Are you a gamer?
If yes, how much do you usually wait for gaming related tech if at all?

If its within your budget and you have other new or quasi new gaming related hardware then there is no reason to wait if you are actually serious about getting a VR HMD.

You buy it, you use it, you have fun with it, a newer version will become available soon enough. Rinse and repeat.

There is no end all be all VR HMD so don't wait for one.

 

[Mindweaver]

Are you a gamer?
If yes, how much do you usually wait for gaming related tech if at all?

If its within your budget and you have other new or quasi new gaming related hardware then there is no reason to wait if you are actually serious about getting a VR HMD.

You buy it, you use it, you have fun with it, a newer version will become available soon enough. Rinse and repeat.

There is no end all be all VR HMD so don't wait for one.

You had me at gamer! lol It's hard to explain to people how good VR is and you can't just watch a video. Even simple cell shaded stuff in VR looks amazing. I played some Half-life Alyx the other night and that game is so amazing I can only imagion how great it's going to look in the G2. It's crazy but every time I play it for any extended period when I stop and get out of VR it takes my brain a minute to realize I can't move by just pushing a thumb stick.. haha I'm just sitting in my office waiting for 10am to go pick up my Quest 2. Best buy is only 10 minutes from my office. It's 8:57am atm.. My luck when it gets close to 10am something will happen with a server or something.. haha I peaked my head into the server room and didn't hear any fans kicked up.. lol fingers crossed!

 

[Octavean]

Yeah,...

I guess its an issue of perspective and experience. If someone says they aren't interested for whatever reason then fine, God speed.

Its the people who are interested but don't make a move that should come to terms with the reality that there are a lot of different ways to say "No" and opting out. Saying "some day" is one of them.

Its like someone telling their friends / family that they are really interested in that attractive young lady across the street and that one day they will ask her out. Either do it or don't but have some self awareness and understand of what is really going on. Because from the sidelines it just sounds like an excuse and another way of saying "No".

 

[Franzen4Real]

You would benefit a lot by just entering the playground, say a Quest 2. It is relatively cheap so you wont be worrying too much about breaking.

Dude at some point you gotta stop waiting for next gen. There will ALWAYS be a better gen next year. You gotta live in the present times.

I think this perspective it especially true with VR. We don't have a refresh cycle like video cards where something significantly bigger and better come out like clock work. With VR, the true generational cycles are much further apart, and we instead have these gen "1.5" iterations. To get as big of a leap from G2 to next gen, as what we have from CV1 to G2... there are so many things that have to happen outside of just Oculus, Valve, HP. They are at the mercy of panel technology and the evolution of lens optics (which then also need said new panels to design for). In regards to the panels, we are talking about less than a handful of companies that are even designing/prototyping ultra high res/wide FOV, low persistence capable VR screens. And these are not big companies that have unlimited $$ to throw at R&D. I think if you want to get ideas on 'when is the real next gen coming', the panel tech is what you really have to watch (as it does not matter what Oculus wants to do, its what they can do with existing tech). Then the down side to that is when these cutting edge designs do come to market, they get the dreaded "enterprise edition" moniker (i.e. $$ x 5).

long story short, I think that VR is one of those niche group of items that if you jump into early in a generational cycle, you are somewhat safe from that tech getting left in the dust spec-wise anytime soon. When you look from a resolution/FOV/panel/optics point of view, CV1 to Q2, Vive to Index, Oddyssey to G2, has been a looong time to finally start to feel "next gen" (and we STILL don't have the FOV jump).

 

[Dux]

HP Reverb G2 headset finally ready for shipping. Stores, reviewers and early pre-orders can expect it early November. So next week.

 

[Mindweaver]

HP Reverb G2 headset finally ready for shipping. Stores, reviewers and early pre-orders can expect it early November. So next week.
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It feels like Quest 2 has killed any kind of hype for this HMD. That's the power of wireless VR. I'm still excited to hear what people think of the G2 but I think it will be short-lived. The G2 is $300 more for little gain in resolution and Index audio. You can't even say no Facebook makes it worth it because the Quest 2 has already been rooted. It's only a matter of time before the root access/hack will be released. Plus, Valve is working on selling just the Index audio as headphones. I'm sure someone will create a 3d print to use them with Quest 2.

Don't get me wrong I hope the Reverb G2 does well. I just think they dropped the ball not releasing it before Facebook Connect 8 when Quest 2 was announced. The controllers are the biggest letdown, but they do look much better than the windows mixed reality Gen1 controllers.

 

[xkm1948]

It feels like Quest 2 has killed any kind of hype for this HMD. That's the power of wireless VR. I'm still excited to hear what people think of the G2 but I think it will be short-lived. The G2 is $300 more for little gain in resolution and Index audio. You can't even say no Facebook makes it worth it because the Quest 2 has already been rooted. It's only a matter of time before the root access/hack will be released. Plus, Valve is working on selling just the Index audio as headphones. I'm sure someone will create a 3d print to use them with Quest 2.

Don't get me wrong I hope the Reverb G2 does well. I just think they dropped the ball not releasing it before Facebook Connect 8 when Quest 2 was announced. The controllers are the biggest letdown, but they do look much better than the windows mixed reality Gen1 controllers.

I was actually surprised how many folks have been waiting for G2, provide they have good stock levels.

 

[Mindweaver]

I was actually surprised how many folks have been waiting for G2, provide they have good stock levels.

I have been surprised as well. It will be a good HMD no doubt about it. I just wonder if hp is working on a wireless solution. I didn't truely understand the big deal over wireless until I tried it on my Quest 2. It's awesome to not have to worry about the tether to pc. It's hard to believe that HTC can do it but Valve or HP can't.

 

[xkm1948]

I have been surprised as well. It will be a good HMD no doubt about it. I just wonder if hp is working on a wireless solution. I didn't truely understand the big deal over wireless until I tried it on my Quest 2. It's awesome to not have to worry about the tether to pc. It's hard to believe that HTC can do it but Valve or HP can't.

HTC used both TPCase and Intel's WIMax. They did not develop anything themselves.

They other manufactures would have to develop around Intel's WiMax technology to achieve ultra low latency.

Personally I am waiting for this holiday season and see if the Vive Wireless kit price take a dip. If it does I might as well just get a Vive Wireless kit so I dont have to spend more on a new HMD.

 

[Mindweaver]

HTC used both TPCase and Intel's WIMax. They did not develop anything themselves.

They other manufactures would have to develop around Intel's WiMax technology to achieve ultra low latency.

Personally I am waiting for this holiday season and see if the Vive Wireless kit price take a dip. If it does I might as well just get a Vive Wireless kit so I dont have to spend more on a new HMD.

You missed what I was trying to say, buddy. Intel's wireless solution is branded and sold as an HTC product and works with the Cosmos that has a higher resolution than the Index. Why can't HP offer the same WiMax solution that's first party for G2?

Also, I'm telling you that you are missing out by still using a Vive. I wouldn't buy a wireless kit for the Vive. The Quest 2 is way better. Even the Rift S is a big jump in resolution over the Vive. I loved my Vive but there is just no comparison once you add the DAS to the Quest 2. I couldn't go back to the Vive after my Rift S. Ok now I'm derailing.. haha but seriously HP needs to offer a wireless adapter soon. Valve has already talked about a wireless kit for the Index. I bet the Index 2 will have it built in to keep the prosumer product level offering.

 

[xkm1948]

Just thought of something while going through lots of old TPU news article on VR.

The main hating reason for VR when it first launched was "TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE"

Then the WMR came out which brought price way down. And then there was Quest 1 and etc. The hating argument becomes "NO GOOD GAMES"

Then Half Life Alyx, Boneoworks, Starwars Squadron and etc comes out with amazing critics review. And folks here still clinging onto that "BUT VR IS STILL DYING"

And most recently with Quest2, we have a new wave of "FACEBOOK IS EVIL" haters joining the ranks of VR haters.

You can never please these people, their life's existence is just to hate. No matter how amazing an innovation has become, they will ALWAYS hate on it. I do wonder what reason they will find to hate on VR next? 5Gmm wave based wireless VR causes Corona Virus? hahahahaha

 

[Mindweaver]

Just thought of something while going through lots of old TPU news article on VR.

The main hating reason for VR when it first launched was "TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE"

Then the WMR came out which brought price way down. And then there was Quest 1 and etc. The hating argument becomes "NO GOOD GAMES"

Then Half Life Alyx, Boneoworks, Starwars Squadron and etc comes out with amazing critics review. And folks here still clinging onto that "BUT VR IS STILL DYING"

And most recently with Quest2, we have a new wave of "FACEBOOK IS EVIL" haters joining the ranks of VR haters.

You can never please these people, their life's existence is just to hate. No matter how amazing an innovation has become, they will ALWAYS hate on it. I do wonder what reason they will find to hate on VR next? 5Gmm wave based wireless VR causes Corona Virus? hahahahaha

Yeah, I get what you are saying. lol It's frustrating to see the lack of excitement for VR, but it will come. I've seen a huge growth in users in games like Big Screen, Pavlov, Rec Room, etc. I still play a lot of Pavlov PCVR on my Rift S and I have already seen players using Quest 2 with Virtual Desktop. I'm seeing new users us SideQuest and Pavlov Shack every day. It's pretty amazing. But with that said let's create a new post about it and keep this as Reverb G2 stuff. It's hard not to derail these VR threads because they are so closely tight together. but let's keep the VR posts coming.. haha the VR and AR section can't blow up quick enough for me.

 

[Dux]

Here's a good community site to keep track about everything HP Reverb G2 related. Including shipping dates.

 

[Nuckles56]

I'm quite tempted to go to the G2 from my vive as I do want that resolution upgrade and am unwilling to give FB any money if I can avoid it

 

[Mindweaver]

I'm quite tempted to go to the G2 from my vive as I do want that resolution upgrade and am unwilling to give FB any money if I can avoid it

I think you will enjoy the resolution bump and never go back to Vive. The Vive was great but newer HMD's are make it show it's age. I bought my Rift S thinking I would try it and return it, but the resolution bump over my Vive was huge and I couldn't go back not even for the slightly better tracking. I mean I truely bought it because they were out of Quests and figure I would give it a try because Best Buy has a 15-day return policy in the event you are not happy with your purchase. I was only buying Quest to replace my Samsung Gear VR to use while I travel. I really expected to have an Index by now... but I found the Rift S to be that good in resolution, comfort and better hand controllers.

Now I didn't like the touch controllers at first because I was so use to the Vive Wands, but I couldn't go back now. lol I think the reverb G2 controller are close enought to the touch controllers by the reviews to be much better than the OG Mixed Reality Controller. Also, I see you like Skyrim, I can say Skyrim will look amazing on the G2 just because the bump from the Vive to the Rift S felt huge and the G2 is better.

 

[Nuckles56]

I think you will enjoy the resolution bump and never go back to Vive. The Vive was great but newer HMD's are make it show it's age.

That's pretty much what I figured too, there are a few games where I would really like the extra resolution. I was originally looking to go the index too, but there doesn't seem to be any plans to bring it to Australia, and I don't want to try and get one shipped across by a 3rd party.

 

[Dux]

Quite a big bump in resolution on G2 compared to other headsets.

 

[Dux]

I cancelled my pre-order of G2 at Bestware. Had to make a choice. Either ZEN 3 5900X or G2 this year. With G2's being delayed in delivery, i decided for CPU. Headset will have to wait at least until spring next year. No dineros for both in my plans. I think i made a good choice considering the entire stock of ZEN 3's stared to be bought out by bot swarms.

 

[Mindweaver]

I cancelled my pre-order of G2 at Bestware. Had to make a choice. Either ZEN 3 5900X or G2 this year. With G2's being delayed in delivery, i decided for CPU. Headset will have to wait at least until spring next year. No dineros for both in my plans. I think i made a good choice considering the entire stock of ZEN 3's stared to be bought out by bot swarms.

I really think HP missed out by not having it ready to buy before the Quest 2 announcement. I've already seen so many people opting to get the Q2 over the G2. I'd get a $299 Q2 over the G2 at this point anyway. Wireless VR is really good and right now the best option is the Q2 for wireless using Virtual Desktop.