Over 200,000 Sold Radeon RX 9070 and RX 9070 XT GPUs? AMD Says No Number was Given

[nguyen]

The 7900XTX was not selling at this level.

I can't believe that many people line up to buy a relaunch 4070 Ti Super at 80usd less and worse featureset

 

[AusWolf]

I can't believe that many people line up to buy a relaunch 4070 Ti Super at 80usd less and worse featureset
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Because it's not 80 USD less, and the only thing it's missing is CUDA, which not many people care about.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I can't believe that many people line up to buy a relaunch 4070 Ti Super at 80usd less and worse featureset
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Because they dont want to pay into the Nvidia monopoly? Not that confusing. I know I've been less then impressed with nvidia driver quality the last couple years.

Because it's not 80 USD less, and the only thing it's missing is CUDA, which not many people care about.

It also significantly improved RT performance and FINALLY fixed their encoders, so there's more sales points nVidia lost.

 

[AusWolf]

Because they dont want to pay into the Nvidia monopoly? Not that confusing. I know I've been less then impressed with nvidia driver quality the last couple years.


It also significantly improved RT performance and FINALLY fixed their encoders, so there's more sales points nVidia lost.

Not to mention, those people are queuing up for the launch which was an insane deal. I got my card for £570 when the 5070 Ti was already selling way above 800. So much for "6% slower".

 

[TechBuyingHavoc]

You can't cancel something that never existed, champ.

Come on, you are being too literal here, you know what he was saying is that "AMD might regret that it did not choose to develop that 9080 product", not "the actual cancellation of a product".

 

[nguyen]

Because they dont want to pay into the Nvidia monopoly? Not that confusing. I know I've been less then impressed with nvidia driver quality the last couple years.


It also significantly improved RT performance and FINALLY fixed their encoders, so there's more sales points nVidia lost.

Significantly improved RT, but still slower than 4070Ti Super
FSR4 is leagues ahead of FSR3, but still worse than DLSS4
PT performance is nowhere near useable yet
Ray Reconstruction not available yet
FSR4 SuperRes and FSR Frame Gen game support is nowhere near DLSS4 level of support

If people don't care about any of those above features, might as well grab a 7900XT with 4GB more VRAM

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Significantly improved RT, but still slower than 4070Ti Super

Single digit percentages.

FSR4 is leagues ahead of FSR3, but still worse than DLSS4

FSR4 is pretty close, not perfect, but it's not that big of a gap. And it is software, that can improve over time.

PT performance is nowhere near useable yet
Ray Reconstruction not available yet

For the 2 games where that is a game breaker, I'm sure we'll manage without them.

FSR4 SuperRes and FSR Frame Gen game support is nowhere near DLSS4 level of support

I dont know many who care that much about frame gen. And just like FSR4, that is software which will improve with time.

If people don't care about any of those above features, might as well grab a 7900XT with 4GB more VRAM

And pay obscene prices for what little stock is left? If you're going to pay that much just grab a 5080 and let the world know you like to waste money.

 

[nguyen]

Single digit percentages.

FSR4 is pretty close, not perfect, but it's not that big of a gap. And it is software, that can improve over time.

For the 2 games where that is a game breaker, I'm sure we'll manage without them.

I dont know many who care that much about frame gen. And just like FSR4, that is software which will improve with time.

And pay obscene prices for what little stock is left? If you're going to pay that much just grab a 5080 and let the world know you like to waste money.

Yes I like to waste money, like paying a mere 10% more for a product that came out a whole year earlier and still is better .

But I like your idea that people are sick of Nvidia monopoly and willing to support the underdog, afterall I would like to see new technologies being developed out of competition

 

[Assimilator]

Come on, you are being too literal here, you know what he was saying is that "AMD might regret that it did not choose to develop that 9080 product", not "the actual cancellation of a product".

I interpreted that poster's sentence to mean what the words in said sentence mean, you interpreted them to mean something else entirely. Or to be blunt, you arbitrarily made s**t up so that you could call me out for not arbitrarily making s**t up.

It's been a while since I've encountered your specific type of insanity, and it's no more pleasant than the previous encounter.

 

[Random_User]

AMD gave us an actual number. Nvidia has not. Guess which one I trust more?

To be honest, I believe none! So much stays behind the curtain...

Because it's not 80 USD less, and the only thing it's missing is CUDA, which not many people care about.

Lol. The only thing is missing, is the Blackwell stock! Be it there, these infinite queues of desperate menchildren, would rather stay in line for the different products... you've guessed- nVidia RTX 5070/"Tie", and even 5080-5090 ones.

 

[x4it3n]

You can't cancel something that never existed, champ.

NAVI 41/42/44 were definitely real.

 

[AusWolf]

NAVI 41/42/44 were definitely real.

Navi 44 is real. It'll be called the 9060 (XT) and it's coming soon. What about Navi 41 and 42? Where are they, how are they real?

 

[MCJAxolotl7]

PT performance is nowhere near useable yet

This is a mid range card. You aren't using PT on this, nor on the 4070 ti super.

 

[tpa-pr]

Wonder if Lisa Su is rethinking the cancellation of a "9080XT"? Looks like this architecture has hit a sweet spot.

How easy would this be to do? I don't know much about chip production but I would assume changing production on a whim would be mighty complex. And I expect all of AMD's resources are now going to UDNA?

 

[AusWolf]

How easy would this be to do? I don't know much about chip production but I would assume changing production on a whim would be mighty complex. And I expect all of AMD's resources are now going to UDNA?

Yeah, it's not just like adding more shaders and calling it a day as some people think. They'd have to design a completely new chip with new command processor(s), memory controller, cache, etc. not to mention production with UV stencils, testing, liaising with TSMC and AIBs, etc. I'm sure development on UDNA is in full swing by now. More work on another RDNA 4 chip would only divert away precious resource and working hours.

Like @Assimilator said, Navi 41 didn't get cancelled because it was never in the plan to begin with.

 

[Assimilator]

Yeah, it's not just like adding more shaders and calling it a day as some people think. They'd have to design a completely new chip with new command processor(s), memory controller, cache, etc. not to mention production with UV stencils, testing, liaising with TSMC and AIBs, etc. I'm sure development on UDNA is in full swing by now. More work on another RDNA 4 chip would only divert away precious resource and working hours.

Like @Assimilator said, Navi 41 didn't get cancelled because it was never in the plan to begin with.

Bingo. AMD has a plan to compete in the high-end with UDNA, and not competing in the high-end with RDNA4 is part of that plan. They've also identified, correctly, that high-end products make headlines but mainstream products move units. Obviously they couldn't anticipate NVIDIA's botching of the 5000-series launch that took RDNA4's own launch from "successful" to "wildly successful", but that doesn't mean AMD should all of a sudden throw out their plan and chase an arbitrary high-end product that probably won't even sell enough units to recoup its development resources.

 

[Dahita]

Significantly improved RT, but still slower than 4070Ti Super
FSR4 is leagues ahead of FSR3, but still worse than DLSS4
PT performance is nowhere near useable yet
Ray Reconstruction not available yet
FSR4 SuperRes and FSR Frame Gen game support is nowhere near DLSS4 level of support

If people don't care about any of those above features, might as well grab a 7900XT with 4GB more VRAM

The 9070 XT is roughly 3 to 5% slower than a 5070Ti for $200 cheaper, and $300 cheaper than a 7090XTX. It's faster than the 4070 Ti by 5 to 10%. What's the pain point again?

ASRock Radeon RX 9070 XT Taichi OC Review - Excellent Cooling

The ASRock Radeon RX 9070 XT Taichi features the most powerful cooler of all the models that we've tested so far, resulting in a whisper-quiet gaming experience. It also comes with the highest power limit and biggest factory overclock, which makes it the fastest RX 9070 XT.

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[Assimilator]

The 9070 XT is roughly 3 to 5% slower than a 5070Ti for $200 cheaper, and $300 cheaper than a 7090XTX. It's faster than the 4070 Ti by 5 to 10%. What's the pain point again?

ASRock Radeon RX 9070 XT Taichi OC Review - Excellent Cooling

The ASRock Radeon RX 9070 XT Taichi features the most powerful cooler of all the models that we've tested so far, resulting in a whisper-quiet gaming experience. It also comes with the highest power limit and biggest factory overclock, which makes it the fastest RX 9070 XT.

www.techpowerup.com

The fact that it's unavailable at anywhere near MSRP.

 

[Dahita]

The fact that it's unavailable at anywhere near MSRP.

I was obviously talking about the comparison with the mentioned cards...

But if you want to talk about this, they are are sold at MSRP when available (Microcenter), so the issue is not pricing but availability.

 

[Assimilator]

I was obviously talking about the comparison with the mentioned cards...

But if you want to talk about this, they are are sold at MSRP when available (Microcenter), so the issue is not pricing but availability.

There are more countries than the USA in the world, FYI.

 

[Dahita]

There are more countries than the USA in the world, FYI.

ok, this is arguing for the sake of arguing, I'm out, peace!

 

[hooverjr10]

Sold to shops not to end-customers, big difference


Looks like 3060 ti will hold for longer than expected... sad.

.... it's been two weeks... breathe child.

 

[Marcus L]

Yes I like to waste money, like paying a mere 10% more for a product that came out a whole year earlier and still is better .

But I like your idea that people are sick of Nvidia monopoly and willing to support the underdog, afterall I would like to see new technologies being developed out of competition

Keep buying NV,

 

[nguyen]

Keep buying NV,

AMD would do much better without fans like you though .

Mind you I recommend AMD CPU to my friends, such as the 7800X3D and 9800X3D

 

[Bagerklestyne]

Significantly improved RT, but still slower than 4070Ti Super
FSR4 is leagues ahead of FSR3, but still worse than DLSS4
PT performance is nowhere near useable yet
Ray Reconstruction not available yet
FSR4 SuperRes and FSR Frame Gen game support is nowhere near DLSS4 level of support

If people don't care about any of those above features, might as well grab a 7900XT with 4GB more VRAM

You're not wrong about RT
FSR4 is close enough to DLSS4 now that's it's marginally different at best (a technical win for Nvidia but not a obvious one)
PT performance I think is in the RT boat but it's more niche (so a win, but with less appeal)
Frame gen (in my opinion here) is the biggest waste of time.

People in this class of card aren't going to see much benefit of more than 16 gig of ram for a bit, the 9070XT's are 30% cheaper than equivalent part of the range of 5070Ti but they're less power hungry than 7900XT's with better encoding engines and using less power during multi-monitor activities.

For me as a gamer/streamer, the encoding engine change is good, not paying 30% more for ray tracing performance in games I don't play and for a 10% premium over a 7900XT seems like a wiser choice for me. I'm not gaming @ 4k in the latest heavily ray traced games, so there's no appeal to leap to 5070Ti/5080 + money.

I think AMD hit a good spot to grow market share here, however letting the price drift up is killing it, so after stock settles if they prices drift back down, that's only going to be a good thing for consumers.

Deep pocketed gamers will always lean to 5090 class cards (irrespective of the manufacturer, if say AMD get ahead at some stage) but hero cards don't make the lionshare of revenue or dictate the market prices if there's competition at the lower tiers.