PC Radiator Cooling Capacity

[gurusmi]

500RPM - Now that is slow rolling for sure!
Thanks for sharing!

Never mind about. The arctic fans (P14 whatever) i use on that radiator just spin around. They start around 480rpm. It is my backup if i ever should face temperature issues on my rigs.

 

[HBSound]

Never mind about. The arctic fans (P14 whatever) i use on that radiator just spin around. They start around 480rpm. It is my backup if i ever should face temperature issues on my rigs.

I got ya!

Thank you for sharing!

 

[claes]

Hardware Upgrades - I did consider it, but the cost to swap out to an updated AMD chip or Xeon chip is not worth it. Especially with the cost of things these days. Right now AMD, and Asus support the items. I will change out the motherboard from the Asus WRX to the Asrock Rack WRX - AMD motherboard. The main reason, the ASUS WRX board only allows for GPU service at 4.0 x 16 on 4 lanes. The remaining lanes are 4.0 x 8, and the motherboard is 12 x 13. Swapping to the asrock board, I get full 7 4.0 x 16 slots out the gate, and on an ATX motherboard. Outside of GPU support, I will need to insert a sound card.

Is there a reason you need those slots besides the sound card? If money is no object or you plan on 10G networking I’d say go for it, but most sound cards don’t require gen4 x16 at all

What case are you using? Which threadripper?

I’m asking about the case especially because the systems you’re linking to are pretty unique in that they have huge sections of the chassis dedicated to managing the heat from the radiator. Most cases don’t and, with the possible exception of the Comino, those cases are probably dependent on high fan speeds (and probably high temperatures).

The generally accepted rule is 125-150W per 120mm at moderate fan speeds. It is certainly not a hard and fast rule, especially with the “thicker” radiators you’re looking at, but might be a starting guide to give you an idea.

I agree with whoever posted this before — a 480 is not enough for 600W at low fan speeds. Moderate speeds, sure, but things are going to get warm at <1000 rpm.

 

[HBSound]

Is there a reason you need those slots besides the sound card? If money is no object or you plan on 10G networking I’d say go for it, but most sound cards don’t require gen4 x16 at all

What case are you using? Which threadripper?

I’m asking about the case especially because the systems you’re linking to are pretty unique in that they have huge sections of the chassis dedicated to managing the heat from the radiator. Most cases don’t and, with the possible exception of the Comino, those cases are probably dependent on high fan speeds (and probably high temperatures).

The generally accepted rule is 125-150W per 120mm at moderate fan speeds. It is certainly not a hard and fast rule, especially with the “thicker” radiators you’re looking at, but might be a starting guide to give you an idea.

I agree with whoever posted this before — a 480 is not enough for 600W at low fan speeds. Moderate speeds, sure, but things are going to get warm at <1000 rpm.

I agree, sound cards do not require 4.0 x 16. Since it is a server board, without a sound output - I have to at least give up one slot.

Right now I have the Phantek Elite case. Extremely nice case, and an extremely large case. The ultimate goal reduce my PC footprint. The Asus motherboard - is 12x13, and the Asrock is ATX 9.6 x 12. The ASRock board gives me a lot of access to a lot of smaller cases. I will do some moving around and I want to take my PC with me, and the Phantek Elite case will go nowhere.

I agree. I love unique cases. Something about it for me. But the reality is, what can I do, work and function with - none of those unique cases will work for me. In the picture of the Comino case, the fans rest from 900 to 1200 max if I remember correctly from the article. That Comino case is geared for office space too, so loud fans are not used. Now Comino does have an option for that case and others, and they are running the Notua 3000 RPM fans at full bore, but that case is decided for a dedicated server room, due to the noise being out of control.

Now the case I have my eyes on; In Win Dubili. This case is almost 40% smaller than the elite case. I know when the case is coming out - but that is not my business to share. So I have to wait for patients like many. The cool thing about the case, this case can handle the Asus WRX motherboard. I will wait and see, if can I insert that motherboard and get proper cooling without the motherboard taking over the case and reducing my coolant options at the front of the case. This case can handle a 420 rad, with Push/Pull fans. In my mind, if I can get a solid single RAD in the front of this case; 140 x 25 Fan + Black Ice Nemesis 420GTX Dual-Core Xtreme Profile Radiator + 140 x 25 Fan. This is 4" at the front of the case.

Now to be honest and to keep me from coming back to do this update again and again. There is a part that will be safe, so considering another rad is not left field at all. Two rads should be good and plenty, but I can not do three rads. I am working to load some quality items into this next setup, over quality. Spreading out the heat a little bit I agree. I have three rads in the Phantek Elite case now (480 push/pull on the bottom and 480 push/pull on the top, and small 420 radiator/140 Fans sitting on the mid plate. I only included the mid-plate so that I could insert some more fluid in the loop.

So I am trying to talk out of these ideas before the investments is made.

 

[gurusmi]

I agree, sound cards do not require 4.0 x 16. Since it is a server board, without a sound output - I have to at least give up one slot.

You don't need to use an internal soundcard. I have a DAC connected to the USB 3 Port on the back. On that DAC hangs a HeadphoneAmp with bigger Hifiman headphones. You can also use any Soundsystem instead of the amp. I could also use my Sony SAP as a external DAC/Soundcard. Even connected by Bluetooth.

 

[Ociya Syndor]

The only thing that kept me from getting it. When I heard about the place - I already have everything else locked and loaded. As of right now, they are sold out of everything. I will reach out and see IF they have some around.

i'm not sure if you have forgone the block solution from Optimus, but they have blemish blocks (all colors & plates) in stock atm

https://optimuspc.com/products/blemish-absolute-threadripper-3-cpu-block?_pos=5&_sid=e1eb99a74&_ss=r

 

[HBSound]

You don't need to use an internal soundcard. I have a DAC connected to the USB 3 Port on the back. On that DAC hangs a HeadphoneAmp with bigger Hifiman headphones. You can also use any Soundsystem instead of the amp. I could also use my Sony SAP as a external DAC/Soundcard. Even connected by Bluetooth.

I agree with you on this one for sure. I will start researching some options for this very solution - Thank you!

i'm not sure if you have forgone the block solution from Optimus, but they have blemish blocks (all colors & plates) in stock atm

https://optimuspc.com/products/blemish-absolute-threadripper-3-cpu-block?_pos=5&_sid=e1eb99a74&_ss=r

Thank you, that is a nice way to save 25% out the gate on those blocks. I reached out to Optiums just to see if they have any brand new.

Reading through the description, some of these blocks have "blems are in the cold plate fins, so specs or marks are visible, but performance isn't affected. " Now personally if the cold fins are the hart of a block, me personally I will not risk have a block that deals with heat to the magnitude of 300 watts. But I hope they return my email, and maybe they still have some new one sitting around.

 

[gurusmi]

I agree with you on this one for sure. I will start researching some options for this very solution - Thank you!

I own and use a quite cheap (round about 400€ in germany) system consisting of two Topping devices. A10/D10 are their names. They can drive my HifiMan Sundara without problems. Also the dac has a lot of input-ports. optical, analog and USB. One can connect different computers at the dac and/or select at the dac, what source to use. Sometimes i connect my DAP on that playing sound from dap and working at the same time at the workstation. If one use an external soundblaster he won't be able to do this.

 

[HBSound]

A case that I like for the point of downsizing. I like the Silvertec RM51 server case. The only reason I am still up in the air about it is cooling. Now I have seen, reviewed, and checked all the specs. I know 180 is not the most efficient compared to 140 and 120. In this case, I wanted to stack two rows of 3/120 fans, which was impossible. The server case is 220 high, and 2 x 120 fans = 240. So that would not work either. If the case was a 19" vs. 17", I could get a 3/140 in there, and the thing would work out fine.

One solution: Keep the factory 180 fans + (2) Black Ice® Nemesis™ GTS®180X2 X 30mm (one in front of the other + Silverston 180 fans. The cooling cavity for a single rad is at 1450. So I would need the extra layer of protection. I would have to make sure I pull this off in a way, its closed up and clean. No leaks allowed. And the fans are at 800 rpm according to the specs.

Another solution: 6 - 120 fans push/pull on a single radiator, such as Alphacool Monosta 360, which is 86mm deep. Ok, I have no issue with this.

The issue I see, now I have the space between 120 fans/radiator to the top of the PC case. OK, the solution inserts a few small 80 mm fans to keep the air moving. And in that same space, I can mount my water block manifold and pump to get it out of the way. OK, that works for me.

What I do like about this solution over all others. I will have dedicated server space for a few things in my next space. Just to keep all the digital items out of the way. I can place this on a small rack and close the door. And pipe over the signal for the VGA, etc.

Something I will need to figure out, is how to get the items in the case without wires and cables all over the space. Because this space is a lot more closed in. I will have to look at using some wire cable ties and maybe doing custom cables to reduce the factory PSU cables. so it will help clean up the mess, etc. In using the ATX motherboard, I will have the motherboard plate 12 x 13 reduced to 12x9. The Asus Motherboard in this case, will not work out - too tight.

I want to look into server-style PSUs. My question is, are they noisy? Is there a way to reduce the noise? I like they are smaller and more powerful. I want to get split up the power.

I also think about the pump; If the case is vertical. Will this screw up the pump/reservoir, etc? I now have - EK Dual Pump, which can not get placed vertically. If this is true. I need to find a dual pump to fit the bill. I have looked but no one has a dual pump ready to go like the EK version. I will keep looking - any suggestions?

 

[maxfly]

The Alphacool monsta rads are more a novelty than anything now tbh. They are outperformed by many high end 50-60mm rads. You also need very high h20/cfm fans to get the most out of them because of the thickness.
Case wise? I always say, get the one you absolutely love. You're the one that's going to be admiring it everyday. You can (almost)always find a way to make the rest work.

 

[HBSound]

The Alphacool monsta rads are more a novelty than anything now tbh. They are outperformed by many high end 50-60mm rads. You also need very high h20/cfm fans to get the most out of them because of the thickness.
Case wise? I always say, get the one you absolutely love. You're the one that's going to be admiring it everyday. You can (almost)always find a way to make the rest work.

Thank you so much!

I will keep studying this case, and the HWL has a Black Ice® NEMESIS® GTR™ 360, 398mm x 133mm x 54.7mm (L x W x H), and at 1950W power-wise.

So right now I need to study the pump. I believe it will only mount horizontally if you flip the unit vertically - now one pump is dry. So now I need to find a pump that can work in both horizontal and vertical.

 

[maxfly]

Thank you so much!

I will keep studying this case, and the HWL has a Black Ice® NEMESIS® GTR™ 360, 398mm x 133mm x 54.7mm (L x W x H), and at 1950W power-wise.

So right now I need to study the pump. I believe it will only mount horizontally if you flip the unit vertically - now one pump is dry. So now I need to find a pump that can work in both horizontal and vertical.

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NP, glad to help!
The gtr series is actually optimized for high speed fans. The faster the fan, the better they cool. They are truly unlike any rads out there. Don't get me wrong, they are great rads, just not as well optimized for low speed fans like the gtx and sr2s.
I can't think of any other dual pump heads tbh. The BP unit I'm running is all I can think of but they are out of production and probably impossible to get now. I'm pretty sure it has to be horizontally mounted as well.
I think I remember seeing a dual pump head at AliExpress but I cant think of the brand name it was a house brand of one of the websites there I believe. Nothing to get excited about I'm sure, everything dual pump headed needs to be horizontally mounted iirc.

 

[basco]

i only know one other dual pump that would be swiftech´s MCP35X2 but don´t know about mounting.

Amazon.de

 

[gurusmi]

There are more Dual pump tops on the market. I found the following easily:

ULTITOP DUAL D5 MIRROR BLACK Pumpenadapter für zwei D5-Pumpen, G1/4 - Aqua Computer

ULTITOP DUAL D5 MIRROR BLACK Pumpenadapter für zwei D5-Pumpen, G1/4: Extrem kompaktes Top für zwei D5-Pumpen, gefertigt aus massivem Messing, anschließend handpoliert und dunkel vernickelt. Die Pumpen werden nacheinander vom Kühlmittel durchströmt, dadurch verdoppelt sich der Druck und ein...

shop.aquacomputer.de

BP-2D5TOPACEX-UVRD

Dual D5 MOD TOP EXTREME (Acrylic Version)

shop.bitspower.com

ICE-D5D Dual D5 Pump Top - Black

IceManCooler is a leading enterprise in the export and domestic production of computer, industrial water cooling equipment and precision hardware components. Main products: water cooling suit, water cooling head, water pump and parts, water tank, water flow meter, cold exhaust, water cooling...

www.icemancooler.com

Watercool D5-DUALTOP Industrial Line, 99,95 €

Robustes D5 Dual Top entwickelt für den industriellen Einsatz. Im Fokus Stand ein geringes Betriebsgeräusch, hohe Leistung und Haltbarkeit.

shop.watercool.de

 

[maxfly]

i only know one other dual pump that would be swiftech´s MCP35X2 but don´t know about mounting.

Amazon.de

Those are excellent, I've got one I used in my old ddc build. Can't remember if it's capable of vertical mounting tho and their site is down, bleh. Haven't heard anything from them since the announcement they made a while back in regards to them recommitting to their consumer line.

There are more Dual pump tops on the market. I found the following easily:

ULTITOP DUAL D5 MIRROR BLACK Pumpenadapter für zwei D5-Pumpen, G1/4 - Aqua Computer

ULTITOP DUAL D5 MIRROR BLACK Pumpenadapter für zwei D5-Pumpen, G1/4: Extrem kompaktes Top für zwei D5-Pumpen, gefertigt aus massivem Messing, anschließend handpoliert und dunkel vernickelt. Die Pumpen werden nacheinander vom Kühlmittel durchströmt, dadurch verdoppelt sich der Druck und ein...

shop.aquacomputer.de

BP-2D5TOPACEX-UVRD

Dual D5 MOD TOP EXTREME (Acrylic Version)

shop.bitspower.com

ICE-D5D Dual D5 Pump Top - Black

IceManCooler is a leading enterprise in the export and domestic production of computer, industrial water cooling equipment and precision hardware components. Main products: water cooling suit, water cooling head, water pump and parts, water tank, water flow meter, cold exhaust, water cooling...

www.icemancooler.com

Watercool D5-DUALTOP Industrial Line, 99,95 €

Robustes D5 Dual Top entwickelt für den industriellen Einsatz. Im Fokus Stand ein geringes Betriebsgeräusch, hohe Leistung und Haltbarkeit.

shop.watercool.de

The BP dual top is what I'm currently using (pom version). Ah, there we go, iceman was what I was trying to remember from AliExpress.
I haven't researched d5 dual tops in ages. Once I retired the ek dual top for the bp I hadn't looked into them again.
I wonder if the heatkiller is capable of vertical mounting? Being that its an industrial solution it may. She ain't purdy that's for sure lol!
That AC top looks badass but I doubt it can go vertical. That's HBSounds conundrum at this point. Finding a d5 dual top that's capable of going vertical without pump damage/death. I don't remember ever seeing one that can unfortunately.

 

[dgianstefani]

I have the 480 one. put two 1080 Tis and CPU for about a year. It was lukewarm and I ran it 24/7. HardwareLabs Rads are the best in my opinion.

Yep. EK and Corsair both use hardwarelabs as an OEM.

 

[HBSound]

Those are excellent, I've got one I used in my old ddc build. Can't remember if it's capable of vertical mounting tho and their site is down, bleh. Haven't heard anything from them since the announcement they made a while back in regards to them recommitting to their consumer line.


The BP dual top is what I'm currently using (pom version). Ah, there we go, iceman was what I was trying to remember from AliExpress.
I haven't researched d5 dual tops in ages. Once I retired the ek dual top for the bp I hadn't looked into them again.
I wonder if the heatkiller is capable of vertical mounting? Being that its an industrial solution it may. She ain't purdy that's for sure lol!
That AC top looks badass but I doubt it can go vertical. That's HBSounds conundrum at this point. Finding a d5 dual top that's capable of going vertical without pump damage/death. I don't remember ever seeing one that can unfortunately.

I appreciate the help!

I am reaching out to these different vendors, and looking for manuals on these products.

Thanks to everyone.

Pump update

Right now the information is all consistent. Just as long as the D5 pump is not placed upside down. the pump will work in just about any orientation. The one pump right now that offers a few different mounting options is the Alphacool Version - Alphacool Eisdecke D5 Dual Brass Top - Deep Black (13322) - https://modmymods.com/alphacool-eisdecke-d5-dual-brass-top-deep-black-13322.html

Here is the acrylic version. I will get the black/brass unit.

Here are three options to mount the block. And as long as the pumps stay in one of these three directions. I will not have an issue!

 

[claes]

I know 180 is not the most efficient compared to 140 and 120.

What makes you say that? IMO 180mm might be the ideal fan size for PCs. Great pressure, great airflow, and low noise.

I want to look into server-style PSUs. My question is, are they noisy? Is there a way to reduce the noise? I like they are smaller and more powerful. I want to get split up the power.

Unfortunately they are, at least in my experience. FWIW the RM51 supports a second SFX PSU which you could use for redundancy. I haven’t looked into Silverstone’s server PSUs — they might be quieter than traditional ones.

 

[HBSound]

What makes you say that? IMO 180mm might be the ideal fan size for PCs. Great pressure, great airflow, and low noise.

Unfortunately they are, at least in my experience. FWIW the RM51 supports a second SFX PSU which you could use for redundancy. I haven’t looked into Silverstone’s server PSUs — they might be quieter than traditional ones.

When I watch the reports on the 180mm fans compared to 140 and 120 they tend to come off a lot more efficient. Now I really base this only on what I see or read in reviews. Also in the world of RAD cooling, there are only a few rads that will support 180mm:


Hardware Labs = Black Ice® Nemesis™ GTS®180X2X30mm - Rated Power 1450
Hardware Labs = Nemesis™ GTS®180X2 XFlow - 412mm x 180mm x 31.5mm - Rated Power 1400
Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 Full Copper 180mm Dual Radiator - : 402 x 182 x 45mm - Rated Power Unknown
Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta 180mm Dual Radiator (14214) - 405mm x 182mm x 85mm - Rated Power Unknown

EK-CoolStream WE 360 (Dual) - End of Life

From a technical standpoint I do not have the space or equipment to sit up and test all of this kind of items. From my point of view - the 180 fans hit in a push, pull situation. Could be the cleanest. Not looking for simple, but I am going to do it right.

 

[HBSound]

So with all the googling and reaching out to some vendors. I ran across the XSPC - Twin D5 Dual Bay Reservoir/Pump Combo via ebay - brand new. The purchase only includes the reservoir housing and parts. I will get two alphacool D5 pumps for this unit from a vendor. Considering the pump and res into a single housing - Perfect. This unit has a viewing location for the fluids in one direction, but if I rotate the case, the view class is now incorrect. I know someone who can place another viewing location in the other direction. This will help when the case is rotated.

 

[maxfly]

So with all the googling and reaching out to some vendors. I ran across the XSPC - Twin D5 Dual Bay Reservoir/Pump Combo via ebay - brand new. The purchase only includes the reservoir housing and parts. I will get two alphacool D5 pumps for this unit from a vendor. Considering the pump and res into a single housing - Perfect. This unit has a viewing location for the fluids in one direction, but if I rotate the case, the view class is now incorrect. I know someone who can place another viewing location in the other direction. This will help when the case is rotated.

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Those are solid. An oldie but a goody

I've got the XSPC dual ddc version that comes with removable black and white faceplates and a single bay, single ddc version. Just be careful screwing in your fittings (don't crank em down) or you'll end up with micro fractures around the holes. They'll probably form no matter what but they won't hurt anything. If it's been used they're probably already there but it doesn't effect it's functionality.

 

[HBSound]

Those are solid. An oldie but a goody

I've got the XSPC dual ddc version that comes with removable black and white faceplates and a single bay, single ddc version. Just be careful screwing in your fittings (don't crank em down) or you'll end up with micro fractures around the holes. They'll probably form no matter what but they won't hurt anything. If it's been used they're probably already there but it doesn't effect it's functionality.

Thank you so much!

Now I need to research PSUs - noisiness, etc. I want the PSU to handle about 2000K on the safe side.

BUT the redundant power servers these days may not be as noisy as before. And if that is the case, I can get ample power and etc. within the space.

I will possible start a different thread for that matter, so that the thoughts of the post are not all over the place.

 

[HBSound]

I purchased the Hardware Labs 420gtx radiator, and the BeQuiet Dark Shadow 800. For installation, the 420GTX is attached with push-pull 140 fans. After going through the instructions, I noticed that each port is designed for specific airflow. Although this is not a problem for me, I want to make sure that I can position the in/out ports at the bottom of the case rather than at the top. I prefer having the in/out ports at the bottom for a neater installation that will hide the tubing.

Thoughts?

 

[JrRacinFan]

I prefer having the in/out ports at the bottom

Also any air in the loop will be trapped at the top. Probably be easier to prime.

 

[maxfly]

I purchased the Hardware Labs 420gtx radiator, and the BeQuiet Dark Shadow 800. For installation, the 420GTX is attached with push-pull 140 fans. After going through the instructions, I noticed that each port is designed for specific airflow. Although this is not a problem for me, I want to make sure that I can position the in/out ports at the bottom of the case rather than at the top. I prefer having the in/out ports at the bottom for a neater installation that will hide the tubing.

Thoughts?

It'll mean more case gymnastics as far as burping the system but that's about it. Depending on your pump and res position it may take a while to get all of the air out.