PowerColor Teases Radeon RX 9070 XT "Red Devil" GPU

[AusWolf]

I would say no..

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4070-TS-Ti-Super-vs-AMD-RX-7900-XT/4155vs4141

Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

The AMD 9070XT 330w is slower and using more TDP Power Watts than the two years old RTX 4080 320w but at a lower price point.

Glad I bought my MSI RTX 4080 Super 16G SUPRIM X... come and get me Red Devil

Cheers

Userbenchmark? For an unreleased product? You know that's fake, right?

 

[BlaezaLite]

I would say no..

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4070-TS-Ti-Super-vs-AMD-RX-7900-XT/4155vs4141

Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

The AMD 9070XT 330w is slower and using more TDP Power Watts than the two years old RTX 4080 320w but at a lower price point.

Glad I bought my MSI RTX 4080 Super 16G SUPRIM X... come and get me Red Devil

Cheers

Userbenchmark is not where facts come from.

 

[3valatzy]

Typical AMD - will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

This thingie should have been marketed as follows (because of low performance):

1. Quiet, efficient and low TDP - underclocked to max 175W;
2. Cheaper than the alternatives - max $399;
3. Small, so it fits in ITX, mini-ATX and micro-ATX PC cases.

 

[AusWolf]

Typical AMD - will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

This thingie should have been marketed as follows (because of low performance):

1. Quiet, efficient and low TDP - underclocked to max 175W;
2. Cheaper than the alternatives - max $399;
3. Small, so it fits in ITX, mini-ATX and micro-ATX PC cases.

Who said it has low performance? Don't tell me you give any credit to a userbenchmark page, especially of an unreleased product.

 

[3valatzy]

Who said it has low performance?

Old 4nm process node, very low shaders count. You understand that if it was shrunk using the newer 3nm process node, it could have had at least 60-80% more shaders ?

 

[AusWolf]

Old 4nm process node, very low shaders count. You understand that if it was shrunk using the newer 3nm process node, it could have had at least 60-80% more shaders ?

4096 shaders at 3.1 GHz, that's roughly equivalent to 5120 shaders at 2.48 GHz. Assuming no architectural improvement, that puts the 9070 XT slightly above the 7900 GRE. That's not low performance in my books.

 

[3valatzy]

So, a 7800 XT equivalent two 2 years later?

 

[AusWolf]

So, a 7800 XT equivalent two 2 years later?

Since when is the 7800 XT slightly above the 7900 GRE?

 

[Macro Device]

Assuming no architectural improvement, that puts the 9070 XT slightly above the 7900 GRE.

We don't yet know how fast or slow the VRAM will be on this RDNA4 card. The main reason the 7900 GRE sucks is its painfully slow VRAM. Can be overclocked, sure, but not every GRE has good VRAM chips.
What is also unknown is how efficient the Infinity Cache will be.
And... 7900 GRE can OC up to ~2720 MHz, like, almost any model. Which isn't much better than 2480 MHz but still enough to make architectural improvements a real necessity at 64CU@3.1GHz for a 9070 XT to be any interesting.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I would say no..

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4070-TS-Ti-Super-vs-AMD-RX-7900-XT/4155vs4141

Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

The AMD 9070XT 330w is slower and using more TDP Power Watts than the two years old RTX 4080 320w but at a lower price point.

Glad I bought my MSI RTX 4080 Super 16G SUPRIM X... come and get me Red Devil

Cheers

I mean, I will reserve my judgment until the final product is released and tested, but it's clearly not targeted at people who have 4080s or 7900 XTXs of any flavor or variety, so it doesn't really matter. I genuinely hope for the best, if it matches the XTX but costs 600 bucks or so, it's going to be a great card to own.

Also keep in mind that site isn't the most reputable, and that they have a furious, actual hate boner for AMD which I will never understand. So it might not be the most trustworthy source regardless. I mean, I am no fan of Radeon graphics as of late and I'm not shy to make that known, but that place is just

 

[3valatzy]

Since when is the 7800 XT slightly above the 7900 GRE?

Radeon RX 6800 XT (released more than four 4 ! years ago), RX 7800 XT, RX 7900 GRE and the newly launched RX 9700 XT are all in the same performance ballpark.
The same performance ballpark means that it doesn't matter which one of these you would prefer - they are all the same !
It seems that AMD hasn't improved the efficiency in the slightest, either !

 

[AusWolf]

We don't yet know how fast or slow the VRAM will be on this RDNA4 card. The main reason the 7900 GRE sucks is its painfully slow VRAM. Can be overclocked, sure, but not every GRE has good VRAM chips.
What is also unknown is how efficient the Infinity Cache will be.
And... 7900 GRE can OC up to ~2720 MHz, like, almost any model. Which isn't much better than 2480 MHz but still enough to make architectural improvements a real necessity at 64CU@3.1GHz for a 9070 XT to be any interesting.

If you're not in search of a 7900 GRE level GPU, then fair enough. Personally, I am, so I'm cautiously hopeful.

I used to have a 7800 XT that I was totally happy with - I only sold it because I was in need of some quick cash. If the 9070 XT can exceed that by whatever margin, consume the same or less power, and cost the same or less, I'll be happy.

Radeon RX 6800 XT (released more than four 4 ! years ago), RX 7800 XT, RX 7900 GRE and the newly launched RX 9700 XT are all in the same performance ballpark.
The same performance ballpark means that it doesn't matter which one of these you would prefer - they are all the same !
It seems that AMD hasn't improved the efficiency in the slightest, either !

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The 6800 XT has a TDP of 300 W. The 7800 XT is 263 W. The 9070 XT is rumoured to be 220 W. Performance has slightly increased, too. I don't see how this isn't an improvement in efficiency.

 

[3valatzy]

The 6800 XT has a TDP of 300 W. The 7800 XT is 248 W. The 9070 XT is rumoured to be 220 W. Performance has slightly increased, too. I don't see how this isn't an improvement in efficiency.

Blessed are the believers

The Powercolor mamooth cooler doesn't convince you that it is not only 220W ?


The custom Radeon RX 9070 XT cards are expected to reach even higher frequencies than 3.1 GHz and can consume over 300W.
AMD's Radeon RX 9070 XT GPU Rumored To Come With Great Overclocking Capabilities with TBP Reaching as High as 330W

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Reportedly Features Up To 3.1 GHz Boost Clock And Up To 70W Higher TBP On Custom Editions

AMD's Radeon RX 9070 XT is to feature up to 3.1 GHz of boost clock and up to 330W of TBP, coming with impressive overclocking capability.

wccftech.com

 

[Macro Device]

If you're not in search of a 7900 GRE level GPU, then fair enough.

Me personally, am not. Overkill for my secondary PC, underkill for my main rig. By a huge margin, both. I'd pick a 2060S for the former and a 4090 for the latter.
Why don't you just get an XTX and call it quits. Underclock it if you will.

 

[AusWolf]

Blessed are the believers

The Powercolor mamooth cooler doesn't convince you that it is not only 220W ?

No, it does not. Powercolor Red Devil has always ben an excessively big and excessively overclocked card in every generation. You only don't know this if you've been living under a rock.

The custom Radeon RX 9070 XT cards are expected to reach even higher frequencies than 3.1 GHz and can consume over 300W.
AMD's Radeon RX 9070 XT GPU Rumored To Come With Great Overclocking Capabilities with TBP Reaching as High as 330W

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Reportedly Features Up To 3.1 GHz Boost Clock And Up To 70W Higher TBP On Custom Editions

AMD's Radeon RX 9070 XT is to feature up to 3.1 GHz of boost clock and up to 330W of TBP, coming with impressive overclocking capability.

wccftech.com

"Can consume up to"... what does that mean to you? Reading comprehension 1-0-1.

Also, in the same article that you linked:

So it'll be a 260-ish W card, just like the 7800 XT, while delivering (slightly above) 7900 GRE level performance. Custom variants can consume up to 330 W.

Edit: Please stop it with the laughing reactions. It's really childish and doesn't prove your point.

 

[3valatzy]

The 9070 XT is rumoured to be 220 W.

So it'll be a 260-ish W card

260 or 220 ?

 

[AusWolf]

260 or 220 ?

Possibly 260. It's still not 330.

And please quit the laughing reactions, will you? They don't make you look more of an adult.

 

[Macro Device]

And please quit the laughing reactions, will you?

This web site def needs the drunk reaction. Just like Telegram.

Jokes aside, even 220 W isn't convincing enough.

 

[3valatzy]

The Powerolor custom version will be 300-330W !

 

[AusWolf]

Jokes aside, even 220 W isn't convincing enough.

My 6750 XT is a 250 W card, so it convinces me.

Graphics cards these days aren't meant to be upgraded every single generation. This is proved by the RX 7600 which is basically a 6650 XT, and the RTX 4060 which is erm... you get the point.

The Powerolor custom version will be 300-330W !

So what? Like I said, the Red Devil has always been an excessively big and overclocked variant. If you don't like it, look for another variant, like I will.

 

[DaemonForce]

The 6800 XT has a TDP of 300 W. The 7800 XT is 263 W. The 9070 XT is rumoured to be 220 W. Performance has slightly increased, too. I don't see how this isn't an improvement in efficiency.

The 6800XT:
Process 7nm
Transistors 26,800 million
Density 51.5M / mm²
Die Size 520 mm²

The 7800XT:
Process 5nm
Transistors 28,100 million
Density 81.2M / mm²
Die Size 346 mm²

The 9070XT?:
Process 4nm
Transistors ???
Density ???
Die Size ???

I don't believe what's listed here makes for valid comparison but I'll go with it.
The jump from 6800XT->7800XT looks like a die shrink with minor improvement.
It's rumored that the die size of the 9070XT is significantly smaller. Like really small.
Suggested between 7600XT/7700XT die sizes. Probably in the realm of 262 mm²
Performance estimated to be like one of the 7900 cards. The size of those dies are 529 mm²
Soooo a 50% reduction in size on a new process with x number of transistors and better density.
We need more information because the potential is all over the place but I'm not expecting miracles.

 

[AusWolf]

I don't believe what's listed here makes for valid comparison but I'll go with it.

I don't believe that, either. Personally, I believe that the 7800 XT should be compared to the 6700/6750 XT. Similar die sizes, similar power consumption, similar price. Just a badly chosen name by AMD.

We need more information because the potential is all over the place but I'm not expecting miracles.

I'll drink to that.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

The 6800XT:
Process 7nm
Transistors 26,800 million
Density 51.5M / mm²
Die Size 520 mm²

The 7800XT:
Process 5nm
Transistors 28,100 million
Density 81.2M / mm²
Die Size 346 mm²

The 9070XT?:
Process 4nm
Transistors ???
Density ???
Die Size ???

I don't believe what's listed here makes for valid comparison but I'll go with it.
The jump from 6800XT->7800XT looks like a die shrink with minor improvement.
It's rumored that the die size of the 9070XT is significantly smaller. Like really small.
Suggested between 7600XT/7700XT die sizes. Probably in the realm of 262 mm²
Performance estimated to be like one of the 7900 cards. The size of those dies are 529 mm²
Soooo a 50% reduction in size on a new process with x number of transistors and better density.
We need more information because the potential is all over the place but I'm not expecting miracles.

The RX 9070XT 330w is equal to the RTX 4080 320w?

If you're going by numbers looks to me Nvidia AD103 looks suppior!

NVIDIA AD103 GPU Specs

10240 Cores, 320 TMUs, 112 ROPs

www.techpowerup.com

AMD needs a Miracle.

Cheers

 

[Dr. Dro]

Blessed are the believers

The Powercolor mamooth cooler doesn't convince you that it is not only 220W ?


The custom Radeon RX 9070 XT cards are expected to reach even higher frequencies than 3.1 GHz and can consume over 300W.
AMD's Radeon RX 9070 XT GPU Rumored To Come With Great Overclocking Capabilities with TBP Reaching as High as 330W

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Reportedly Features Up To 3.1 GHz Boost Clock And Up To 70W Higher TBP On Custom Editions

AMD's Radeon RX 9070 XT is to feature up to 3.1 GHz of boost clock and up to 330W of TBP, coming with impressive overclocking capability.

wccftech.com

Being fair, not really, no. Gigabyte makes a full-size version of the 6500 XT complete with their Windforce 3x triple fan heatsink lol

Radeon™ RX 6500 XT GAMING OC 4G Key Features | Graphics Card - GIGABYTE U.S.A.

Discover AORUS premium graphics cards, ft. WINDFORCE cooling, RGB lighting, PCB protection, and VR friendly features for the best gaming and VR experience!

www.gigabyte.com

 

[Macro Device]

Being fair, not really, no. Gigabyte makes a full-size version of the 6500 XT complete with their Windforce 3x triple fan heatsink lol

Radeon™ RX 6500 XT GAMING OC 4G Key Features | Graphics Card - GIGABYTE U.S.A.

Discover AORUS premium graphics cards, ft. WINDFORCE cooling, RGB lighting, PCB protection, and VR friendly features for the best gaming and VR experience!

www.gigabyte.com

Reminded me of a friend of mine who cooled his Celeron G1610 with an expensive AIO. He thought temperatures above 100F are dangerous.